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11661  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: did you put all your money into bitcoin? on: October 08, 2016, 05:47:45 AM
i put all of money at mining rig, gpu mining, and im very happy to make money everyday.
for me keep our money by holding is not a good solution to growing our money, better to make some interest with bitcoin mining or altcoin mining.
I would 100% agree with you.. I don't have experience of mining but what you said is obviously correct. we must use our money to increase them. this is the best choice right now.
and I also added all my money in bitcoin.. all my earning is depend on bitcoin actually.
For sure we have different ways to earn money and not all adopters know the ways to be profitable in mining, that is good but only for big mining company as in general individual miners are not profitable anymore due to high electricity cost and difficulty in mining.
11662  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do exchanges manipulate order books, add fake transactions? on: October 08, 2016, 05:44:42 AM
How do I know, all orders in the order books are real?

The one who owns server server could easily add some fake orders. As well as add some transactions under last transactions that did not actually happen.

Why? To manipulate the market. To cause artificial pumps. They can buy any time and cause a pump anytime. Then dump for profit. I guess, this works best with smaller capitalized coins? (With big coins, I suppose, if there are at least a legit exchanges, few people would fall for the fake pump.)

This should be very tempting for the owners of an exchange since it's low risk and kinda a money printing machine?

Let's take for example yobit. No names. No faces. I have no way to verify their identity. If I had coins there and they run, I had probably no legal means either?

Yes Bro Its Possible that A Website Do This But If You Are Using a Legit and Realible Website Then I Can Tell You That a Legit Website Can't Do This Because They Don't Want to Loss Their Trust and Their Users.....
I am Using Yobit.net And Poloniex.com And I Don't Think That these Website Do These Type Of Things With Their Users......
That's right, there is no reason for them to manipulate when they are already earning, a trustworthy website will attract customers and clients and when there is a big volume of traders the exchange sites are making good money.
11663  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why Gambling is Fun? on: October 08, 2016, 05:37:48 AM
Gambling can be fun even when you lose, when you watch a sport event and risk hundreds of dollars it make it so much more exciting, the game has meaning and makes you watch more carefully.
I think that gambling is fun when you win, and you'll be very curious and eager to taste victory when you lose. but the most fun is when you're not expecting to win and bet large amounts of capital with courage, suddenly your predictions correct. Well, I think it is a good thing that happened
Of course no one will be happy if they lose in gambling, as a gambler we seek for the happiness and that is to win in gambling. However, we know that odds does not favor us so we should limit our loses to prevent addiction in gambling, the game are really fun as you can gamble in different casinos.
11664  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your plan to get rich with Bitcoin? on: October 08, 2016, 05:29:21 AM
i am going to open an exchange center where i will do exchange of all the currency including bitcoin and hope that through this way bitcoin will become more and more popular in my area.
i think it is really risky and i would not make a lot of profit out of it, thats why i wouldnt do it at all
Where is the risk there, I think having a exchange site will only give you money so there is no big risk. However, you need to provide a big amount of capital in order for you to start that business, we need a very good plan in order to succeed and will not just waste our money in failure business.
11665  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you accept bitcoin as your salary? on: October 08, 2016, 05:23:59 AM
I wouldn't accept Bitcoin as salary from main job. From side job or online job, it is okay to accept it.
yes pretty much right bitcoin can be accepted as a side income or as a partime income and i also actually earn bitcoins as a side income but my main income is from fiat so there is more value of my bitcoin as side income.Depending on bitcoin only for the full time income is not good.
well yeah but it cannot make you some decent money in my opinion because it is hard to make money
Does not matter as long as we are making money, if we can earn consistent income here and we also have our day job then it is a good source of income. The thing is if we only know how to manage our money to grow it we will be rich in due time.
11666  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is Holding Bitcoin a long time good way to make money? on: October 08, 2016, 05:20:26 AM
yes there is no doubt about this that holding bitcoin for a long time is really good option, i am also in favour of long term investment, in long term investment you can minimize the risk of loosing money,
So in order for us to save we should not invest the full amount we want to instead just do it slowly, make a plan on your investing and set aside just a certain portion of your earnings for your future and it is even good to set aside also some amount for our retirement in the future.
11667  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how to start trading with a very small amount on: October 08, 2016, 05:13:53 AM
although very small amount of bitcoin is really very risky but you still can buy a good amount of alt coins in alt coins section, as there are available a very very cheep but potentially alt coins. where you can make a good profit.
That is just normal when you are trading, everything has its risk although how good the altcoin is, all you have to do is just select the best altcoins that has a good potential and have a good volume so it will not easily die and you will not regret risking your money in it.
11668  Economy / Economics / Re: Should I believe in Bitcoin ? on: October 08, 2016, 05:12:12 AM
Yes you should believe in the bitcoin because it has a great future and it wil grow a lot more than it is right now.
Everyday there are more people joining and believing in it too!
If you believe you will patronize it, you will not only use it but if there are chances you will also invest on it. I have seen a lot of opportunities with bitcoin and I predict it will have a good future so better invest now while the price is still cheap.
11669  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: October 08, 2016, 05:09:49 AM
to me the future of paper money is still ok and there is nothing wrong to it, as majority of the people of the world still using paper money and it will take still a lot of time that people start using bitcoin for shopping, therefore we can say that still there is nothing wrong to paper money.
Because it is simple to use paper money, people will prefer to use it than bitcoin or any digital currency for their daily lives. Bitcoin is only good for online transactions and we know that not all people are not into online, and maybe majority of the people does not transact online.
11670  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: do you accept bitcoins in your business on: October 08, 2016, 04:54:10 AM
If i have a business someday i will accept bitcoin as payment since bitcoin for now still have value so we can still use it for payment..
And bitcoin also been use to shop online.. like purse.io and newegg.
That actually a major improvement for bitcoin because amazon is a big online store and the fact that we can already shop online in amazon with the help of the third party company, that already gives us the comfort in using bitcoin and who knows if amazon will directly accept bitcoin in the future.
11671  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2016/17 NBA Off-Season on: October 07, 2016, 05:54:35 AM
For a GSW fan it's normal to see that they can speculate right away that GSW will be the next championship because of the big changes that happened in this team.

But for a general NBA enthusiast, they will just take GSW as a team with highest percentage to win the next title but it doesn't mean that is the exact thing that will happen.

Upsets is always present in NBA especially when playoffs started.

Exactly, but because of what GSW shows for their every game and for the past games that they have made we can conclude that it would be possible to happen to go again for next championship.

And they became stronger because KD is already with them. But still there are some more to expect for this season because still the way is too long for GSW.

And yeah, NBA is full of surprises so let's don't expect a little high.

Having to add another superstar with the GSW with KD I think they will destroy themselves in terms of production. For example a company who is producing bread that is already maximize for profit will add more workers will they have more money? Of course not they will already increase useless expenses. The GSW's roster last season is good they even have a 73-9 record then they will change it suddenly adding KD. It seems like a bad idea.
I could agree with you also, based on my observation with the their recent games in the pre season, I am not really convince on the way they play. Seems like they are making Durant the main scorer, limiting the others to get hot in the game, anyway today's game they almost beaten by the kings.
11672  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: my bets on: October 07, 2016, 05:51:19 AM
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please open your own thread
he is my partner he have my permsion to post here thanks

please explain what does "partner " mean? partner in life or business? I am confused

are you finding those bets/tips together?

will his bets/tips include the W/L stats of yours cause he is your partner?

please clear these points cause imo those are very important for a follower. until now it was clear that I follow your postings/tips to see your W/L ratio

thx

I'm assuming that by partner, he means his partner that he makes bets with.

If they do run this thread together, I wholeheartedly agree that they should combine their W/L ratio, or maybe just post from one account (and share your ideas in PM) instead of two.

the thread started totally different. the OP started alone and his tips looked nice. then OP introduced in first posting another guy that he is allowed to post his tips. for me it did not look like thta he is doing thetips together and therefore my questions.
OP also stopped giving tips and his so called gives now the tips

would be nice if OP could clear the situation and answer my questions

and as you said it is confusing to see the tips and not incl in W/L stats


It is better to have an explanation on every bet you will choose, in that way we can analyze also the bets you selected and we will not just blindly following it, it is good to pull the trigger when we are already confident of our picks. But anyway, OP you are doing a great job, just continue it..
11673  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling problem on: October 07, 2016, 05:47:18 AM
These days gambling is fun and enjoying and you can play whatever game you want for money but due to that it also provides a lot of problems for some people.
They get greedy and addicted and wil get in problems soon or later, I think that gambling is not wrong but that you have to control it.
Exactly, gambling itself is not the problem here but uncontrolled addiction. When you get addicted to gambling, same as with other things, you tend to forget to think reasonably and will blindly continue no matter what the consequences are
That's the worst thing that could happen to a gambler, once addicted there is no way you can enjoy because you will only have a temporary win and lose in the long run, most of the addicted in gambling loses their job, their family, and even their health. So it is important to gamble responsibly.
11674  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: October 07, 2016, 05:43:32 AM
If you have ever experienced a win with gambling then you are going to think that it is possible to win money with gambling and you will try it again.
You then want to prove your self that you are going to win again and that is why people keep coming back.

i don't agree with this, sometimes i am come back into gambling places but i am not trying to prove with myself that i can win more money because i don't have a big chance to win in every time i playing gambling. the reason i come back is i only want to get playing the games i want to play, i only spend small amount and i don't expected to win to get some money.

if one reason i only gets loss, then i will sit in the bar, watch people playing gambling and trying to feel what they feel when they win or loss, beside that i can learn much from that places.
That's very good you have that attitude towards gambling, and I can say you will not be addicted in the future as you are only after for the fun. Most of us here wants gambling to have money while there are those people who likes to have fun only and you are one of the very good example.
11675  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling made for kids???? on: October 07, 2016, 05:39:02 AM
Well, depends on the definition of gambling I guess. As soon as there is money on the line, I would say it is a definate no go. If not, it is a grey area.

I played a lot of black jack for fun when I was little. We even had a toy roulette table with play chips. We played cards all day, sometimes even with pennies.

I think it is human nature to have some sort of incentive to play. But when kids are involved, as soon as they risk to lose their sparse cash, I would say it is a no go.
Yes, in the age of unable to decide which is right or wrong, no one should be allowed to gamble regardless of their age. I mean to say even adults who are not having much exposure about financial management should not be allowed to gamble.

Gambling for fun which comes with free of cost also should not be introduced to kids as they become addicted to them which might spoil their future completely.
I  think now kids are too intelligent. They are not like us. They will not lose money easily. But still, gambling is not good for kids. Because they will addict new things very quickly. So better make your children away from this gambling.

yes its our jobs to protect our kids from gambling especially when our kids gets online with their computer. i think it will be better if we are on their side so we can still watch what they doing while they online. and yes gambling is not made for kids, but for the grow of technology, as their parents, we need to know about this and we should really take care of our kids.
Yeah kids must not be into gambling for because they are the ones that must be protected in it. And if they are going to be addicted in gambling then possibly to happen is that where they are going to get their money for gambling. And worst thing if they don't have money, they are possibly to steal money from the people.
I agree, kids still dont know how to responsible and unable to earn money, they can think gambling as the game and keep on gambling without thinking, it can decrease their morale and their attitude, with the morale decrease it can lead them to the criminal world, so as a parents its our job to teach them, when we want to gamble its better when they are not around, so they are not curious and they wont try to gamble
It is the job of the parents to take care of their kids and if possible do not influence nor teach the kids to gamble, gambling is a very dangerous games for the kids and with the topic, gambling is not made for kids but for the adults only.
11676  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bank or Bitcoin Wallet? on: October 07, 2016, 05:33:44 AM

Only storing money in bank is not so give us an advantage, becouse the fiat inflation will reduce the value of it, if we save fiat more longer the value will more reduced. may be just save some part of our money in bitcoin is a good investment to grow our fiat. but doing bitcoin investment could make our amount of bitcoin grow. although there are always a risk. I preffer like to change 80% of my money to gold, 10% to bitcoin, 10% to fiat.

Why in the first place you will store money in bank just to expect great profits from it? Try to asked some question in people around area that uses bank if that is their main purpose.

It's for saving purpsoses since fiat currency is stable. Also fiat currency needs many years before the value of it will reduced. And even it will reduced retail price of products will go with the flow so still it's 1:1.
Banks does not give you a good interest income, they are just using your money to lend it to people and we will only be paid a little amount of interest so if you are an investor and you love to earn big you will not be happy with the amount of interest you are earning in bank. The investment opportunity is in bitcoin.
11677  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you accept bitcoin as your salary? on: October 07, 2016, 05:19:26 AM
Its not a smart decision to make to get paid in bitcoin in the form of salary, as if price falls tomorrow then it will affect my income very badly and I need to keep on waiting to sell them till price goes higher.
That is also the way that I see it. A lot of people say that the price is stable, but at any moment it could just drop and you would lose all of your money.
Stable price is not fun to see, I mean how can we make profit on that in trading. I still want to see the normal swing of bitcoin price that is so volatile so I can make profit doing day trading. If I rely on working only I would care so much for a stable price for my earnings not to decrease its value when converted to fiat.
11678  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you were rich, would you still gamble? on: October 07, 2016, 05:08:07 AM
i will always gamble because... its fun!

fun is fun. just dont make it your money making method

exactly , if you are gambling for fun then the fun won't change even if you are a billionaire
and if you are a millionaire  professional gambler then why not make more money while you are still living the baller life  Smiley

there are plenty of poker players that have enough money for the rest of their life , but they still play simply cause it's fun and no sane one can say no for extra money

Right about that if you are just doing it for the enjoyment there is nothing wrong with that, I also think because of that we should stay doing even if you are a very rich man..
Rich man have a lot of money to gamble so that is there freedom to choose whatever makes them happy, even if they are doing a very risky game but for them it is not as they can surely afford what they can lose. There interest is to have fun and forget about the money and the loses.
11679  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: HOW MUCH YOU EARN/LOSE FROM TRADING on: October 07, 2016, 04:42:33 AM
I trade a couple times a month cause I don't have that much free time but from the trading I earn a nice amount.
It's nothing to brag about but it's enough to be considered a side job though so that's nice.
But i do trading regularly and making also a good profit but i think i never count that how much i earn in previous month or in the present month, i am only happy with the estimate through which i conform that i have not lost the money.

Agree as long we saw that our money  had not been  decreased  then for sure  we are not  lossing  our money  yet, same as yours  im not  totally counting  on my losses and  winnings as  long   i do  my trading pattern and styles and i saw theres a minimal increase on my money   then it would be okay for me.
I agree, therefore we need to be serious with trading and be realistic with our projection. If we want a bigger profit, we need to start with a bigger bankroll, and only do it when you can prove to yourself that you have a greater chance to make money in trading.
11680  Other / Off-topic / Re: If i give you 10 BTC what will you do? on: October 07, 2016, 04:40:26 AM
I would not sell any of it until  the price reaches a more fair  price, because right now it is not  worth it, from the way that I am  seeing the things in the market atm.
Why you not sell them? the price of bitcoin is not that quite good and its stabe to be fair you need to trade ot to be able to gain bitcoin from market exchange sites or anything you need have an idea how you gonna make it.
I also wouldn't sell the coins if I got them. I just don't think that now is a good time to sell and you could make a lot more profit if you sold in the future.
We have our own decision and we have different prediction of the future of bitcoin, a high price could be low for us because we are not satisfied easily. But as long as we sell for a profit that is already acceptable and with 10 BTC even if you earn 50% on that, that is already a substantial gain.
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