No it is not evidence that "the facts are coming out".  It may be evidence that a lot of people want to hate the USA, and are okay with latching on half baked ideas to support their hate.

Conversely if "the facts are coming out" where exactly are those facts?  Some things have been asserted in this thread but on examination they don't really stand up.  Are those the best assertions that support this "theory?" 

+1

The problem with these conspiracy theories is the huge numbers of people who would have to be killed or shut up to keep the facts from coming out.

Basically impossible to do that.

I am sure that the Ideas that the Jews did 9/11, or the US did 9/11, is attractive for those who think all of Islam is a religion of peace....

What, exactly is your problem?

Obama promised hope and change.

Here it is. 

The "allowed abuse" is the redaction of individual rights, which is specifically what the Justice Department has done in anything anti-Obama or anti-Obama's policies.  Given that blatant and openly expressed attitude, what else would one expect?

Here is a description of the "secondary debris field".  Not much there, is there?

Workers at Indian Lake Marina said that they saw a cloud of confetti-like debris descend on the lake and nearby farms minutes after hearing the explosion that signaled the crash at 10:06 a.m. Tuesday.

Here is an early report from the local police head.

In a morning briefing, state Police Major Lyle Szupinka confirmed that debris from the plane had turned up in relatively far-flung sites, including the residential area of Indian Lake. Investigators appealed to any residents who had come across such debris, in the surrounding countryside or even in their yards, to contact them, emphasizing that even the smallest remnants could prove to be important clues.....

In response to a question on recurring rumors that the plane might have been shot down, Crowley said that at this stage of the investigation, no possibility was being ruled out. He stressed, however, that no evidence had surfaced to support that theory.

Rep. John Murtha, D-Johnstown, noted and discounted the same speculation here Tuesday, saying that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfield had assured him that the government had not shot down the hijacked plane to prevent it from hitting a potential target.

I don't think you need to or should believe Rumsfield, Crowley, or the 911 Commission.  I simply think that by looking at the facts it is correct that "no evidence has emerged to support the shoot-down theory."  Your links do not show any solid evidence.  None whatsoever.

I am really curious, what do you think would be the result of an aircraft heading straight down and hitting the ground at close to the speed of a bullet?  Although vaporizing aluminum requires 13,000 joules per gram, melting it only requires 398 joules.  The incoming aircraft weighed some 60 tons or about 55,000 kilograms.

Assuming the plane did go straight down and using the basic formula E = 1/2*m*v^2, with the following numbers from taking the cross section of the fuselage and the total weight:

m = 13 g/square centimeter or 0.013 kg/cm^2
V = 209 meters/second
so kinetic energy was 564 joules/square cm

Now assume half of the weight of the plane was aluminum, 30T (metric 27 kiloton), what volume of aluminum are we looking for?

Density = 2667 kg/cu meter
Volume = 27,000 / 2667 or about 10 cubic meters.

Summarizing, you are looking not for "an aircraft" but aluminum about equal to a 7' cube.

Aluminum is the primary structural material of an aircraft.  It is a ductile metal.  Ductile means that at certain pressures the metal flows, essentially becomes a liquid.  An aircraft looks big, but is mostly empty space inside.   All parts of the aircraft would continue on their velocity vectors into the ground, then the volatiles (kerosene, water, hydraulic fluid, etc) would after being seriously compressed, vaporize and shoot back up.  At that point the kerosene plume would ignite.  That would create a small "mushroom cloud."  Aluminum burns quite nicely with kerosene.  Powdered aluminum has been used as fuel in torpedoes.

There are numerous examples of aircraft crashes where "there was little left."  There are other examples of crashes where there is a lot of stuff left.  There are well understood reasons for the differences.

This appears to have been dynamically similar to meteorite crater formation.   

Disproof of "dragging make-believe debris into the garbage pit", eg the conspiracy theory, should be very simple.  One would simply look at artifacts from the garbage pit, in particular the metal.  They would be examined to determine if they were in fact subjected to a 500 mph impact.

Proof of "an aircraft being shot down" would typically be evidence of high explosive traces.  It simply appears that this particular conspiracy theory about flight 93 ignores most of physics and chemistry, doesn't it?

But there was debris.  Unfortunately for the conspiracy theory, the debris was exactly where the Government guys and first responders said it was - in a hole in the ground.

So, "a lot of the evidence is compelling" - your words - is a false statement.

No, now wait.  I didn't intend to insult or confuse.

It's simply that hijab is native wear SOMEWHERE ELSE - not in USA.  Most in the USA would consider it an insult to be told to wear it.

Similarly, for women in another place to be forced to wear something revealing - does not have to be naked could just be showing most of their legs and their hair - would be an insult.

I would respect both cultures and force neither on the other.

But then I'm not one of the numerous authoritarian controller personalities floating around.

LOL, you should tell those arguments to ISIS.  They seem to think that fear works.

I disagree.  But it probably works to an extent in some cultures.

No, the evidence does not show it was shot down. 

Have you actually looked at the so called "debris fields?"  They are not typical of either in air breakups or planes being "shot down."  There really isn't much debris there at all.

I am saying this.  You admit the complete story of the passengers counterattacking, but conclude then that a fighter jet shot it down.  (No SAM batteries are deployed....) 

So missiles were pulled from storage, mounted on a combat aircraft that was fueled and ready to go, the aircraft launched, and the attack commenced....and that combat aircraft is going after 93 WHICH HAS IT'S TRANSPONDER TURNED OFF???   This encounter is successful, and the aircraft is shot down.  But no major parts such as wing, tail section, etc are found scattered?  No seats?

This is a conspiracy theory that makes no sense.

Sure, so all the loved ones who talked to their relatives on Flight 93 were talking to who?  Government agents that imitated their husbands, wives, children?

http://www.history.com/topics/flight-93

Huddled in the back of the plane, the passengers and crew of Flight 93 made a series of calls on their cell phones and the in-flight Airfones, informing family members and officials on the ground of the plane’s hijacking. When they learned the fate of the three other hijacked flights in New York City and Washington, D.C., the passengers realized that their plane was involved in a larger terrorist plot and would likely be used to carry out further attacks on U.S. soil. After a brief discussion, a vote was taken and the passengers decided to fight back against their hijackers, informing several people on the ground of their plans. One of the passengers, Thomas Burnett Jr., told his wife over the phone, “I know we’re all going to die. There’s three of us who are going to do something about it. I love you, honey.” Another passenger, Todd Beamer, was heard over an open line saying, “Are you guys ready? Let’s roll.” Sandy Bradshaw, a flight attendant, called her husband and explained that she had slipped into a galley and was filling pitchers with boiling water. Her last words to him were: “Everyone’s running to first class. I’ve got to go. Bye.”

At 9:57 the passengers and crew aboard Flight 93 began their counterattack, as recorded by the cockpit voice recorder. In response, the hijacker piloting the plane began to roll the aircraft, pitching it up and down to throw the charging passengers off balance. Worried that the passengers would soon break through to the cockpit, the hijackers made the decision to crash the plane before reaching their final destination. At 10:02 a voice was recorded saying, “Yes, put it in it, and pull it down.” Several other voices chanted “Allah is great” as the plane’s controls were turned hard to the right. The airplane then rolled onto its back and plowed into an empty field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 580 miles per hour. Flight 93’s intended target is not known, but it is belived that the hijackers were targeting the White House, the U.S. Capitol, the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland or several nuclear power plants along the Eastern seaboard.

However, it just so happens that pedophiles (the ones that raped the girl in this case) would get their barbaric punishment while locked up in jail.  From the other inmates.

What could be better?

Really, stoning and burning to death is barbaric in the eyes of the audience.  These are intended to make the audience fear.

You sure about that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSKeXpYtLiQ

Also, note that ISIS is not atrocity central but a JOKE for many in the Middle East.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0Gu0PlNjI

Bah.  You ignore the trashy stupid everywhere and point to those "in the west". 

All that matters is the cultural impression of the land where the suggestion is made to have "hijab for a day."

Tell you what.  Let's make a deal.

You have "Topless for a Day" in Saudi Arabia and we'll have "Hijab for a Day" in the USA.

LOL....

It is true that in many cases, when the primary leader of a high structured, rigid nation is executed, the entire structure falls apart.  Where that is true of ISIS I don't know.

One would think that many men joined ISIS thinking it was another Al Queda/radical Islam-for-the-greater-good sect, and are now appalled at the atrocities they are ordered to do and support.  Internal dissent/lack of morale would make their forces far less capable on the battlefields, but there still must be an opposing force to take advantage of those weaknesses.

Thx, I didn't bother to look it up.  But evidence and facts developed in a civil action can cause a criminal action - in this case it'd be something like mail fraud, depending on the facts.   

My only purpose was to suggest that "this is okay and it is right" vs YET ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY GETTING OUR EMAILS JUST LIKE THE NSA" which is definitely not right....

I am skeptical about this for a simple reason.  Having traveled in Africa, everything is tribal. 

If the "Muslim men" were of another tribe, the asserted logic falls apart.

And they likely were.

Stopped reading the interview after four wrong facts used as premises to build a conspiracy on.

Butterfly Labs was, well...scammers.

The emails would form evidence of what they said/promised and what people expected and paid for, and then the long train of complaints by the consumers and the ducking and dodging by BFL.  Relative to bringing charges against BFL (civil or criminal I don't know.)

I'm leaning in favor of that's the way the system is supposed to work.  In other words, this is not NSA massive spying.

Who agrees or disagrees with this point of view?