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11761  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: April 18, 2015, 08:34:09 PM
A group of transnational heroin traffickers affiliated with various governments.

Well that's a new one I've not heard before. I think the price rise of heroin was just a byproduct of war rather than a conspiracy by the dealers to be honest.

And where's the Illuminati option?

Honestly though, I have absolutely no idea who was ultimately behind 9/11 or if the USG knew about it and let it happen, but I'm skeptical Bin Laden had anything to do with it. He was just a convenient patsy.
Bin Laden's car driver seemed to disagree with you on that.

Oh, wait, let's just disregard him.
11762  Other / Politics & Society / Re: EXCLUSIVE: Sheriff Stands Up to IRS, Cancels Land Sale on: April 18, 2015, 08:32:37 PM
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WASHINGTON, February 7, 2015—New Mexico’s Eddy County Sheriff Scott London notified the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) via letter that the sale of county resident Kent Carter’s property is canceled until Carter receives due process of law and his appeal is heard. The certified letter dated February 4 received an immediate response from the Undersecretary of the Treasury’s office. According to the Treasury’s website, however, the public auction is still slated for February 19.

“Many officers have stood up over the years for the rights of citizens being victimized by the federal government,” said Sheriff Mack, founder of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, “But Sheriff London is the first one to stand up to the IRS since the early 1990s.” Mack said, “His actions show courage and humility. London is setting a good example for the rest of our sheriffs.”

Approximately ten days before Christmas, U.S. Marshals broke in the door of Carter’s rental property with their guns drawn. The tenant was a young mother with a new baby—home alone while her husband was at work. Sheriff London was called to the property to intervene. He advised the Marshals that Carter’s case was in appeal and he deserved due process. They threatened to arrest London, but he stood his ground and they backed off.

Carter has battled the IRS for decades over taxes on the earnings of his modest construction business. One court document listed his debt at $145,000, a figure Carter says an assessing agent “pulled out of thin air.” Every time he challenged them, his bill would shoot up a few hundred thousand dollars. His legal complaints state that the IRS failed to adhere to its own tax code, did not use proper accounting methods, and that the collection activity was unlawful because no notices of deficiency were given. Carter says his private and confidential information, including his social security number, was filed in public records and given to third parties. The IRS countered that it can publish and disperse the private information of Americans if it is trying to collect their money or property. A judge agreed.

Carter says the IRS is currently claiming he owes $890,000, a figure that “doubled with the stroke of a pen.”

The Taxation & Revenue Department ordered Carter to cease “engaging in business in New Mexico” until his arbitrary tax debt was paid. Carter appealed this injunction on the grounds that it was both unconstitutional and vague, as it deprived him of his right to make a living and also prohibited him from, “carrying on or causing to be carried on any activity with the purpose of direct or indirect benefit.”

“The IRS fabricates evidence against citizens by pulling numbers out of a hat and adding fees,” said Mack, “They wear people down emotionally and financially until they can’t take it anymore. No citizen should ever have to fight the IRS for decades in order to keep his land.”

“The IRS is a lie. The income tax is a lie,” said Carter. “Why should they be able to take anything? They’re worse than the mafia.”

The Carter properties have liens placed against them. A locksmith was instructed to change the locks. The IRS authorized the United States Marshal Service to arrest/evict anyone found on the premises. London, however, physically stood in front of Carter’s gate until the Marshals backed down. A public auction on the front steps of the Eddy County Courthouse is scheduled, but the local county sheriff—trained in the Constitution—resisted.

Carter voluntarily vacated his property and relocated his mobile home to an undisclosed location. “I chose to leave to keep it from escalating to something ugly—like Ruby Ridge, Idaho,” he said. Carter said he advised the Marshals and IRS Agents who publicly claimed he had armed friends on his land, “If there is going to be any violence, it is going to be you who starts it.”

Carter says 100% of his Social Security benefits is seized each month by the IRS, in addition to $2,800 the agency drained from his bank account. Legally, he says, the IRS can take no more than 15% of Social Security benefits.

Mack says banking institutions quiver when faced with the IRS’ gestapo tactics and generally hand over customers’ personal banking information, including access to accounts, without requiring a warrant or even any documentation. He encourages county sheriffs to brief every bank in their jurisdiction to refer inquiries from IRS agents to them.

Sheriff Mack is calling for the IRS to start following the law, including no “random” audits without probable cause, as they violate the Fourth Amendment. He asks them to stop committing crimes and rewarding IRS employees with bonuses for cheating on their personal taxes. “I agree with Senator Ted Cruz and others who say the IRS should be abolished,” said Mack. “It’s time they got off the backs of the American people.”

Carter says he prays daily for wisdom, and that he is surviving to be able to look into his grandchildren’s eyes and tell them he fought for their future and for America.

London is the first Republican to ever be elected sheriff in Eddy County. He distributes Bibles on behalf of Gideon International and met his wife in choir practice.

http://benswann.com/exclusive-sheriff-stands-up-to-irs-cancels-land-sale/

Well, that's interesting.  A country sheriff is the top dog in law in his area.  I wouldn't want to be a Federal Marshall trying to go against the Sheriff.
11763  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: April 18, 2015, 08:29:01 PM
Not sure Politician and Trustworthy go hand in hand.  I mean...she's a politician!  Basically all snake oil salesmen.

As of right now, I'm party-less, don't side or trust any of these candidates.  Gun to head, there would be only one candidate that I'd actually vote for, and not for politics or issues:



Support what you know!  BTC talks for me.   Wink

Now that's impressive.

Rand's the Man!

I'll join with coin!
11764  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 18, 2015, 08:26:27 PM
Well, to be honest, we believe Jesus is a prophet and Allah is God. Nothing "other than this". Jesus has said clearly Jesus isn't a holy spirit. Also, according to your belief, Christians can do any wrong things as Jesus already died for their sins which is nonesense. Jesus slavation is over. Muhammad(PBUH) is mentioned in Bible and to follow prophet.

* This maybe something atheists can't digest, so better not to talk about this unless you need to.

I don't see any place in the Bible that Jesus has said that He is or isn't "a holy spirit." However, Jesus isn't THE Holy Spirit.

Jesus died for the sins of people. He suffered to maintain the whole universe - God can't stand imperfection; God might have destroyed the whole universe if Jesus hadn't suffered to maintain it; Jesus' death and resurrection are the things that atone for sin in mankind.

All sin by all people has been atoned for by Jesus. All wrongdoings of Islamites and Christians and everyone else have been atoned for by Jesus. Technically speaking, they CAN do all the wrong they want, and it has all been atoned for. However, there is a little catch called faith and unbelief.

The Bible tells us that the only sin that is not forgiven is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. What is that one unforgiven/unforgivable sin? It is locked-in unbelief that Jesus is the worldwide Savior.  Locked-in.

When is a person locked in to what he believes and doesn't believe? There is really only one time. It is at his death, because after death, he can't change anything about what he believes and doesn't believe. He is dead. He can't do anything.

The point? The more that people sin intentionally, the more they push themselves toward unbelief. And the closer they come to unbelief, the closer they come to dying in that unbelief = locking themselves into unbelief = committing the one unforgivable sin, the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Believe in the salvation of Jesus while there is still time for you, before you die and lock yourself into the one sin that can't be forgiven, thereby losing Heaven.

Smiley

So you agreed Jesus isn't God?

Why do you ask this now? In past posts I have said that Jesus is God. I haven't changed my position on that.

After Jesus arose from the dead, He spent 40 days visiting with His disciples at various times. Some of the times He simply appeared among them, and then after He was finished speaking, disappeared from among them. When they thought that they were seeing a spirit, He requested that they give Him food... which He ate to show that He was not a spirit only.

We all are spirit in a body, both spiritual and physical. This is the same with Jesus, except that Jesus is God.

Jesus is God with a spiritual and physical form. The Holy Spirit is God without a body. Who knows what kind of form God the Father has? Yet, at the same time that each of them is fully God, they are also God together. Not 3 Gods... one God. Yet 3 distinct "persons" that can be fully God individually at the same time that they are God together... all without being 3 Gods.

Smiley

See bolded parts. How can this be done? This isn't true. You are contradicting yourself. One can not be three and three can't be one.

Now Muhammed Zakir is God, because he proclaims that God can't do or be this or that. It is impossible for God to be one and three at the same time... in the eyes of Muhammed Zakir. Therefore, Muhammed Zakir proclaims himself to be God, to know all things just as God does.

Smiley


since we are speaking about logics, zakir gave an answer based on logic. God is OMNIPRESENT. but God is NOT in  several as mentioned in the Bible... Smiley

like you said they are Godly words and not everyone will be able to understand it clearly, maybe thats why you havent been able to understand till now Smiley

Christianity = One God Smiley
Hinduism = One God (Different aspects of God represented in different idols) Smiley
Jew = One God Smiley
Islam = One God Smiley

and you are still spreading the FUD decker. Smiley

look into your books. the last near to original bible, Jesus never proclaimed to be God, PEOPLE took him for god. Smiley
Instead he said follow my Father. for when he said that, he did not mean he has a Father, nor God has any son. Smiley
he meant, son of God as APOSTLE of God. which he later referred. Smiley

edit : also adding, Bible was written in HEBREW, learn the language, there is NO CAPS in Hebrew. which makes Son of God as written in Bible nowadays completely misunderstood... Smiley

btw decker, you still havent commented on the 2 links i provided. and as long as you dont reply to my links, i will keep reminding you of it. Smiley

there are different verses from Old testament, and New testament in the video. said by a Christian himself btw.... but well i prefer to wait for your answer about it and see what comes in Smiley

Smiley
Hey look, I have no "dog in this fight" (means, no interest in either side, slang English) since I am an atheist.

But you and Zakir misunderstand this old concept of "Trinity."  Badecker jokes a lot and he has sort of unusual ideas, but most everyone in a Christian religion understands "Trinity".
11765  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military! on: April 18, 2015, 07:59:29 PM
What geniuses, they've gone and created one of the tiniest countries on earth that's landlocked, which means they won't have any real trade with other countries to help their country grow to begin with. Look it's a noble idea and everything, but just once I'd wish there was someone out there who had thought their actions through. To me it seems like this is just another pet project of some rich people like Sealand and they haven't given it any serious thought, take a look at what the Kurds are doing in Iraq and Syria, their operation is something I've been learning about awhile and it makes people like this look like a joke.

You need much more than just a few idiots planting a flag to form a country, I expect the Czech army to roll in within weeks and arrest them because naturally these guys won't have thought that far ahead and gotten themselves some weaponry to fight back with which they would have been able to do if they had a real coastal region for themselves.


Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?

Probably it can, if the country does a good job of making it's existence to it's neighbors more important than it's non existence.

A small non threatening country in a disputed area could prevent war between the neighboring countries.  Then it grows and becomes valuable and they start eying it greedily.





11766  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tension Between BLM and Mining Operation, Oath Keepers Set Up Camp on: April 18, 2015, 07:55:21 PM
NEAR MERLIN, Ore. -- A land dispute is creating tension between miners in Josephine County and the Bureau of Land Management. The owners of the mines say they are afraid their rights to due process will not be respected and have now called in reinforcements.

The Oath Keepers of Josephine County are gathering at a piece of property near Merlin. They're in the process of setting up a staging area, in order to step in if they are needed by the Sugar Pine miners.

“Because we are constitutional group,” said Mary Emerick with Oath Keepers. “We defend the Constitution… And we are here just to make sure that they receive their Fifth Amendment rights which is due process.”

The owners called them in to help protect the property that they have mined for more than 100 years. The miners say documents they have grandfathered-in their surface rights to the property.

More...http://www.kdrv.com/news/Mining_Operation_Standoff_Begins.html

Remember the Bundy Ranch situation? Keep an eye on this one.

Interesting to see that develop in a largely liberal past pro-Obama area such as Oregon.

I can't imagine a transfer of property ownership that didn't clearly spell out the mineral rights.  Could be that BLM is trying to apply some regs that effectively modify or cancel rights as spelled out in property deeds.

Yep that level of detail is something I wouldn't know.  Guess we could ask some Indians about that. 
11767  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Vote] Who did 911? on: April 18, 2015, 12:35:24 PM
One strong piece of evidence that is often overlooked is that the debris field from the plane that went down in PA was inconsistent with the stories about how it crashed. However it is consistent with a missile shoot down. .
False.  A missile shoot down would have spread major parts of the aircraft over a 5-10 mile range.  Why would you say something like this?
11768  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS impregnates 9-year-old girl on: April 18, 2015, 03:36:26 AM
god, why can't anyone start a Horrible Chemical warfare against isis....
Because it is not precision munitions, quite the opposite.
11769  Other / Politics & Society / Re: International Zionism Did 911–23 facts on: April 18, 2015, 03:33:24 AM
By Ryan Hodgson on Monday, September 19, 2011 at 8:59am

Mossad Impersonating/framing Muslims and Participating in the Attacks:

http://rediscover911.com/international-zionism-did-911-23-facts/

A lot of the evidence is compelling.

What would have been their motive?


This is crazy talk.  I reviewed several of the source documents linked to and found nothing.  Just routine police work. 

As the source material does not support the narrative, I conclude it is a fabricated narrative.  Now why would you willingly go along with propagating untruths?

I had started a thread on 911 and saw this thread which links to some material a lot of people believe. The fact that the poster and the link use the phrase "did 911", as I did, means they are probably also new yorkers.

Could you give some examples of "the source material [that] does not support the narrative"? Some of the material has been widely reported in the alternative media and is well documented. Are you saying that the poster added some trash?
The several I read were just regular cop style reports (FBI etc no dif) "checked out these dudes, blah blah blah"  after 9/11 they probably "checked out" 50,000 or more ... they were all madder than hornets.

So a few were Israeli nationals.....so WHAT?
11770  Other / Politics & Society / Re: International Zionism Did 911–23 facts on: April 17, 2015, 09:10:45 PM
By Ryan Hodgson on Monday, September 19, 2011 at 8:59am

Mossad Impersonating/framing Muslims and Participating in the Attacks:

http://rediscover911.com/international-zionism-did-911-23-facts/

A lot of the evidence is compelling.

What would have been their motive?


This is crazy talk.  I reviewed several of the source documents linked to and found nothing.  Just routine police work. 

As the source material does not support the narrative, I conclude it is a fabricated narrative.  Now why would you willingly go along with propagating untruths?
11771  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cop "accidently" shoots and kills man. on: April 17, 2015, 09:04:14 PM
I love the way the other officer responded: F*ck your breath Tongue

This is really bad. We are talking about a dead man. He might have a family, kids and parents who were waiting for him.

Even if he did survive from that tragedy, he won't be coming home to his family coz he will go to jail for selling illegal firearms.
Huh?  Who sez?  Maybe, maybe not.  Probably wise to expect the entire "investigation" to be as flawed as the shooting.
11772  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS impregnates 9-year-old girl on: April 17, 2015, 05:11:40 PM
Have you seen what is happening in Yemen, why saudi arabian government didn't take real action to stop the ISIS? Probably because it doesn't want. Why USA don't send military/soldiers to fight against ISIS?

You answered it two times.

1) They probably don't want to.
2) Saudi Arabia doesn't do it. So USA wants them as a friend and attacking ISIS might make SA a foe. Just assumption.

But also, ISIS is Islam's war.  The radicals in ISIS are united in their religion, and come from many Muslim cultures and nations.  They would love to provoke the Great Satan (lol, what a joke) to rise up against them.  Then they could point fingers at US oppressing the poor victims yet again.   Then they could hide their soldiers and supplies and mosques in innocents' homes and mosques and create propaganda about the horrors of the US bombing innocents' homes yet again.

These propaganda and media plays are part of the scheme.  Just like they were with Arafat.  It's not new.

Pure Islamaphobia. No matter whatever you qrite, you only have Islamaphobic intention. It ain't Islam's war by no means. It is some political psychos' war. It is obvious they are doing it for political gains and not for Islam. Also there are probably non-muslims involved in this.

It's certainly understandable why you would find what I have said unpleasant.

But I don't even think you have the meaning of Islamaphobia right.
11773  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 17, 2015, 05:09:13 PM
Well, to be honest, we believe Jesus is a prophet and Allah is God. Nothing "other than this". Jesus has said clearly Jesus isn't a holy spirit. Also, according to your belief, Christians can do any wrong things as Jesus already died for their sins which is nonesense. Jesus slavation is over. Muhammad(PBUH) is mentioned in Bible and to follow prophet.

* This maybe something atheists can't digest, so better not to talk about this unless you need to.
Not that it can't be digested, just that it's totally boring, uninteresting, dogmatic, something we've heard a thousand times before with minor variations, robotic, embedded virus-like memes trogen-like brain infection, silly, all too common.

At least in the USA the evangelical religious people have jobs and work then take a hour or two.  Seems like a lot of those in the middle east have no jobs and go at this stuff full time.
11774  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How the FBI is whitewashing the Saudi connection to 9/11 on: April 17, 2015, 01:33:20 PM

Few people saw the vids of bldg 7's implosion.  Few people will even look at it.  Of those who do, not everyone will understand what they are seeing.  Even the most basic aspects of structural engineering and basic physical science are beyond most people's grasp.

If a person is disposed to trust the government (and most people are) they will be disposed to accept at face value assertions that there are 'scientific' explanations for the structure's collapse absent a classic controlled demolition.  The designers of the event were aware of this.
....
I have knowledge of structural engineering, I have seen the videos, and see no problem with the collapse being a side effect of the towers, eg domino effects of column 76 going down.  Such domino effects are what is USED in controlled demolition, but that does not make it a fact that any domino effect in a building collapse is a controlled demolition.

And I don't trust the government.

But saying "I don't trust government" one has to note that there are many governments, each with it's own objectives, not just the US.   
11775  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS impregnates 9-year-old girl on: April 17, 2015, 01:12:19 PM
Have you seen what is happening in Yemen, why saudi arabian government didn't take real action to stop the ISIS? Probably because it doesn't want. Why USA don't send military/soldiers to fight against ISIS?

You answered it two times.

1) They probably don't want to.
2) Saudi Arabia doesn't do it. So USA wants them as a friend and attacking ISIS might make SA a foe. Just assumption.

But also, ISIS is Islam's war.  The radicals in ISIS are united in their religion, and come from many Muslim cultures and nations.  They would love to provoke the Great Satan (lol, what a joke) to rise up against them.  Then they could point fingers at US oppressing the poor victims yet again.   Then they could hide their soldiers and supplies and mosques in innocents' homes and mosques and create propaganda about the horrors of the US bombing innocents' homes yet again.

These propaganda and media plays are part of the scheme.  Just like they were with Arafat.  It's not new. 

11776  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 17, 2015, 03:22:14 AM
Where I'm headed with that is that if I was Muslim I'd consider it a severe insult for extremists to have hijacked what are essentially from that world view, sacred words.



i agree with you. but that does not change anything. i blame them for using sacred words to propagate their hate, their massacre and their false view about Islam, but that does not change Islam and the Quraan. it is not because of THEM fools that you put blatant accusations on a religion.
besides, another person with another faith and beliefs put a mask and say the same words, doesnt make them a muslim either. doesnt make Islam and the Quraan hate violent accolades.


But I'd also, if I was a Muslim, laugh off people making cartoons about Mohammed.  I'd spend my time on the severe insults to my religion from WITHIN my religion.  Therein lies the true Great Satan.

which i do, and many like me do the same. . .
Well that makes a great deal of sense then.
11777  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 17, 2015, 02:21:36 AM
Where I'm headed with that is that if I was Muslim I'd consider it a severe insult for extremists to have hijacked what are essentially from that world view, sacred words.



i agree with you. but that does not change anything. i blame them for using sacred words to propagate their hate, their massacre and their false view about Islam, but that does not change Islam and the Quraan. it is not because of THEM fools that you put blatant accusations on a religion.
besides, another person with another faith and beliefs put a mask and say the same words, doesnt make them a muslim either. doesnt make Islam and the Quraan hate violent accolades.


But I'd also, if I was a Muslim, laugh off people making cartoons about Mohammed.  I'd spend my time on the severe insults to my religion from WITHIN my religion.  Therein lies the true Great Satan.
11778  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Homeland Security' To Purchase 62 Million More Rounds Of AR-15 AMMO on: April 16, 2015, 06:07:59 PM
The Department of Homeland Security is set to purchase over 62 million rounds of ammo typically used in AR-15 semi-automatic rifles, just weeks after the ATF was forced to back down on a ban on M855 bullets.

This was pretty amazing for people to watch.   It sounded like these would get banned, I thought it was going to since these specific bullets are able to go through a good amount of steel.   

Just the rumor of  this sold pretty much every stockpile of this ammo.   Companies making this ammo had one heck of a good time on sales.

Why did you quote me without adding anything? Just curious Smiley
A goof.
11779  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS impregnates 9-year-old girl on: April 16, 2015, 12:18:28 PM
For raping, in countries which claim to follow Islamic rules, they will get a death sentence, obviously, stone to death.

Things are not that simple. Rape laws in many of the Islamic nations are biased against the victim. Most of the times, it is the victim who is punished, not the perpetrators.

I have seen some reports, so I thought that's how it is in such countries. However, if what you said is true, why do they claim they are following Islamic rules? Huh

And yes. It's not easy to get a death sentence especially in a democratic country. Many people will cone with human rights flag if a death sentence is given. Undecided
Nine or ten men raping a 9 year old girl is of course a horrible crime.  I would jail these men for that crime for a very long time, and you know what kind of punishment they would get from the other prisoners for their actions.

I referred to "Kill them all" in terms of action on the battlefield and with the methods of war only.   
11780  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Homeland Security' To Purchase 62 Million More Rounds Of AR-15 AMMO on: April 16, 2015, 03:28:56 AM
The Department of Homeland Security is set to purchase over 62 million rounds of ammo typically used in AR-15 semi-automatic rifles, just weeks after the ATF was forced to back down on a ban on M855 bullets.

This was pretty amazing for people to watch.   It sounded like these would get banned, I thought it was going to since these specific bullets are able to go through a good amount of steel.   

Just the rumor of  this sold pretty much every stockpile of this ammo.   Companies making this ammo had one heck of a good time on sales.
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