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the same codebase can certainly generate a native iguana
for now only for unix and osx, but if somebody can port a few functions to windows and do the build, it should even work natively in windows.
James
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In #iguana channel, I posted a 1000 BTCD bounty for a blockexplorer task
James
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The one thing that is bothering me (taken from the BIP) is the following: // Finally the nLockTime feature can be disabled and thus
// CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY bypassed if every txin has been
// finalized by setting nSequence to maxint. The
// transaction would be allowed into the blockchain, making
// the opcode ineffective.
I'm not certain how to interpret this but I am concerned if it means that CLTV could be ignored. Can anyone better explain this? It does seem that if you cant control any of the txin, the nLockTime is just ignored if all sequence id is 0xffffffff (the default value) for doing micropayment channel and other offchain tx where the same inputs are "reused", the sequence is set to a smaller value and increased, with the 0xffffffff meaning it is finalized, so I think the same logic is used here however if at least one txin has a sequence that is not 0xffffffff then the CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY wont be bypassed. at worst, you would need to mix in some small satoshis worth of inputs James |
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Iguana is still in development, but I am downloading the full blockchain at whatever bandwidth my test node has.
and processing all the blocks in parallel, so it validates using as much CPU cores you have.
I am storing the data in ramchains, which provides blockexplorer level API and generating this almost as fast as I can download it. It looks like the total size will end up around half the size of the raw data, though during the download another 5GB is probably needed.
More RAM makes it go faster, but I aim to allow it to run within 4GB RAM
James
P.S. the fastest time I got for downloading the entire chain was 12 minutes, but realistically it will be more like half an hour to get all the ramchains setup and ready to use
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Wow, does that mean there is a limit at 22 million ? Or is it definitly no limit?
I hope Azeh can clarify this point, maybe it was changed after James took over the development I see, if that was the case, does that mean that stakers would only support the network in return for transaction fees once the limit is reached?
I suppose so, exactly like Bitcoin, but if the limit is 22millions (and everyone's staking) it would take almost 60 years to reach it. By then the fee will suffice, and the whole Btcd's platform will be so different in ways that are now unimaginable. before July 7, 2077 we will need to figure out a reason for people to stake without the 5% staking. until then, the compounding at 5% can continue and probably past due to attrition due to lost privkeys and non-stakers. this is not a high priority item for now James Ah ok so it is correct to say that for now there exist a 22 million limit? I think that should be definitely added to the OP again. 22 million total is what BTCD was created with and I do not foresee anything changing that as BTCD is a serious crypto that doesnt change total emission |
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Nice the see the price of BTCD going up like this project deserve, i would like to know if there are some way to have a wallet of btcd without download the blockchain?
thanks
Is 30 minutes too long for blockchain download? That is my target time to sync from scratch James |
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Wow, does that mean there is a limit at 22 million ? Or is it definitly no limit?
I hope Azeh can clarify this point, maybe it was changed after James took over the development I see, if that was the case, does that mean that stakers would only support the network in return for transaction fees once the limit is reached?
I suppose so, exactly like Bitcoin, but if the limit is 22millions (and everyone's staking) it would take almost 60 years to reach it. By then the fee will suffice, and the whole Btcd's platform will be so different in ways that are now unimaginable. before July 7, 2077 we will need to figure out a reason for people to stake without the 5% staking. until then, the compounding at 5% can continue and probably past due to attrition due to lost privkeys and non-stakers. this is not a high priority item for now James |
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BTC.0 N[195] d.182 p.195 g.195 A.13 h.389808 i.389808 r.389745 E.182:392845 M.362441 long.389807 est.8 13.41GB time 11.58 files.6692 Q.0 1
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Can someone explain what crypto middleware (iguana) does in layman's terms?
enables one click install chrome app to do fully decentralized crypto, without needing to install or run anything else James Thanks James! So Iguana will enable wallet access to multiple crypto coins without any blockchain downloads, or just without multiple wallet installs, or both (no wallets, no blockchains)? iguana talks to multiple coin networks at the same time, directly. BTCD and BTC are built in, but I have abstracted all the differences for the bitcoin compatibles, so additional ones can be added dynamically. iguana creates native ramchains and I will add ledgerchains on top of it so using less space than the full blockchain, a block explorer level dataset will be available locally i will also add wallet functions, along with all the supernet services into iguana. Running in native mode, I am seeing pretty good BTC sync times, but I am still debugging the native ramchains, so not sure what the final speed will be. Also, as a chrome app, things are much slower due to the networking being a lot slower so I wouldnt recommend loading the full BTC blockchain into the chrome app, though most other coins will fit. there is a 10GB limit on chrome storage now, so that is a limiting factor as the BTC blockchain is estimated to take around 20GB the same codebase compiles into a native unix or osx version though, so for native mode iguana will be the fastest to sync BTC chain to a working wallet. Once I get the basic iguana working, then I will add a lite mode version so the full BTC chain isnt needed locally since iguana works as a chrome app, all the GUI is locally running HTML talking direct to the embedded JS bytecodes. I still need to add more things like script parsing and external RPC, but I just got the hardest part mostly working. In my tests using native 64bit versions using parallel mode, on my laptop with 20mbps connection, I am getting a full sync in ~6hrs. With dedicated server VPS (32GB RAM, normal HDD, 500mbit/sec) it is syncing in a bit less than 30 minutes. Latest tests show it never uses more than a few GB of RAM during the processing and I think I have a way to make an "instant-on" data structure, but not sure yet how fast a restart will be. iguana codebase is currently ~10,000 lines of C code and its only external dependency is openssl and curl so the build process is: gcc -o iguana *.c -lssl -lcrypto -lpthread -lcurl -lm for now native mode is only for benchmarking and debugging and you need to pass in a command line JSON to get it syncing. With direct access to the various bitcoin compatibles from the same context, it will be possible to do some pretty cool things. but first I need to get the basics completed and released, so that is what I am doing. Repo: https://github.com/SuperNETorg/iguana_devTask Boards: https://github.com/SuperNETorg/iguana_dev/issues & https://phabricator.supernet.org/tag/iguana/We currently use Github AND Phabricator for task management. Wiki: https://phabricator.supernet.org/w/iguana/API: http://pad.supernet.org/apiGuide for new devs: http://pad.supernet.org/iguana_new_frontend_dev_guideIguana Dev Team and their Roles: http://pad.supernet.org/iguana_dev_teamIguana TABS (like pages, includes details on content of tabs): http://pad.supernet.org/iguana_tabsSome general info: http://coremedia.info/index.php/bitcoin-2-0/item/187-project-iguana-to-birth-a-supernet-chrome-app-increase-accessibility-of-its-technologyJames |
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Can someone explain what crypto middleware (iguana) does in layman's terms?
enables one click install chrome app to do fully decentralized crypto, without needing to install or run anything else James |
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@James
Your silence is deafening and damaging. Please comment publicly.
comment on what exactly? |
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I wanted to ask this questions a year ago, after reading the white paper and some discussion. Sorry if it was already discussed.
Anyhow, here's the question. Are BTCD transactions non-atomic?
With the original design, yes, partial completions were possible. however with the new approach it is back to being atomic. peggy will allow for some very interesting privacy levels |
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Please Help!
I bought ~190 SuperNET token one year ago. As I didn't have time to trace the progress during this year.
I didn't know what to do now. I just found there are SuperNET (UNITY) come out now.
But I still own the token. How can I convert token to UNITY. Or my token are useless?!
Please help.
No worries. From OP If you still have TOKEN you must redeem to get dividends If you have TOKEN on NXT AE, send it to: NXT-7Y5B-J8LQ-SL5P-3ULFL (alias: RedeemTOKEN) It will be converted to SuperNET and sent back to your account. This is done via a manual process run by valarmg Since it is rare thing nowadays, make sure to PM me the txid of your transfer to NXT-7Y5B-J8LQ-SL5P-3ULFL and if possible attach a message of what address you want it transferred to |
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Hi jl777,
can you tell us please the timeplan for the going live of teleportation.
I'm new to BTCD and sure, that Instantdex and Pangea are already two good reasons to buy BTCD.
Will the Teleport function look like an additional Button? In Dash they have a mixer button in the wallet, will it be like this?
Jumblr implements coinshuffle for the mixing and it will need a button to start the shuffling, the GUI details are not done yet, especially as I dont do the GUI. at the low level Jumblr allows to verifiably shuffle your input to your output without any trace on the blockchain. Teleport allows to send packets in a way that makes it very hard to find your IP. Additionally peggy will allow locking funds and making them reappear in a different account. So, an Alice -> Bob -> Charlie sequence would look like: Alice -> blockchain .... blockchain -> Charlie notice Bob is not in the picture at all, as he sends an invoice to Alice using telepathic packet, but even though he is not on the blockchain, he totally controls the funds until it is sent to charlie. If alice is using Jumblr, then it makes the connection to Charlie blurred. However before any of this shuffling and teleporting will have a strong privacy effect, we need a lot of tx happening all the time, eg. pangea. So it is a wholistic solution. Pangea and InstantDEX are in testing, with pangea already working as a chrome app. I have a few instantdex bugs to fix and some features needed for pangea, like multitable and disconnect recovery. After that it will be peggy integration, which allows real money betting in pangea, and will also create a steady tx flow for the privacy to have much better effect. Since I am doing things that are never done before, I cannot predict exact timeframe. But with the hard part of getting it to work in chrome done, it is a matter of getting the time to finish connecting things together. James |
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you complained about no adoption, I have solved the adoption issue.
Firstly James, don't get so butthurted all my points were in fact not a complaining, but factually correct assessment of the situation, and no, you didn't solve the adoption issue as no real world users use your platform, while your USP was last year that you have the recipe for that mass adoption issue. All rational persons knew that you won't be able to get mass adoption for Supernet as even Bitcoin struggles with mass adoption in big time. Despite 6 years of development, media hype and many hundred millions $ VC investments BTC has only 100k active users. What I am saying is, it was an irresponsible act to collect money for something that's never going to happen. Moving to the technical issue yes, i did think it through. http://www.chromium.org/ it is open source. if google goes too evil, we can make a fork of the browser. Now comparing google's open source to MSFT and Apple, which are by and large closed source, this is no comparison at all. I think you are absolutely correct, and I have to admit you are right, the fact that Chromium is open source makes the comparison to MSFT and AAPL meaningless. It's a very good point indeed and I am glad that I posted that question! And yes, you are right, governments can't do a lot if all modules (including the Chromium) of the project remain open sourced. I still believe Google alienates many users of the MS and Apple fanboy base, but if you are comfortable with that and you don't see that as an issue then it's up to you. As long as the current version is open sourced then we can make a solution that is independent of google, but of course we wont be able to keep up with the development. Still the chrome app is based on emscriptem, which was independently developed. google "just" made a unix OS around it along with getting ~90% adoption and a bunch of javascript magic to make it all work. I am very grateful for them to allow my C code to run as JS/html Maybe I was unclear by saying the user adoption issue is solved. I didnt mean that we have millions of users now! What I meant to say was that it is now possible to obtain millions of users, while before the chrome app it was not possible. We just need a slew of popular apps, say like games. Now the vast majority of funds are still in the SuperNET accounts, though the bear market has whittled down the fiat value. The burn rate for SuperNET is on the low side and we can last for years on the funds raised. We are developing what we said we would, yes delays on release due to the increasing scope of the project. Since most large software projects are delayed, again this seems not anything specific to SuperNET. And we are doing tech that has never been done before so any strict timeline has never been issued As to your claim that we will never get mass adoption. All I can say is that never is a very long time, and you are premature in concluding that SuperNET wont achieve scale. James |
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I have BOUGHT a lot of supernet and BTCD over the months and am a net purchaser, so rather than exiting, i am entering more and more.
James
Dev talking up his bullish book = biggest red flag evar. And it's not even the acute unprofessionalism at hand that is the biggest problem, but rather the inference the dev generally doesn't know how to be professional. Dash's scam-master did the same thing last month, posting his "triple bull sign" TA right before the price went to shit and never came back. You accused him of dumping. I accused him of "talking up his bullish book" because that what he just did. I was responding to false accusations that I have been dumping. It is a fact that I have purchased SuperNET and BTCD. Sorry if such facts make you go all crazy and make you post big red letters so any actual content to your trolling? or is it the same as always. What is your feeling about a chrome app that has SuperNET ported into it? And I am not posting any TA buy signals, you are confusing me with someone else. I just stated a fact. It is up to the reader to decide to buy or no. But I disprove that I am dumping/exiting, etc. and you prove that XMR is in big trouble James |
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@James
Put aside the real world adoption issue which - as you pointed out correctly - not a Supernet specific issue and all other rants with regards to your project, would you explain the readers of this thread what makes you think that the Chrome Apps is a proper platform for crypto projects? Is it really the preferred direction to lock crypto projects into the environment of an enterprise such as Google, which is getting farther and farther from the original "we are not evil" sentiment?
I still remember the 1996 times when Microsoft rolled out ActiveX controls, which is conceptually not much different than the Chrome Apps. Many developers were excited and started developing/integrating ActiveX controls. However, the offering of ActiveX controls was contributed a lot to the troubles of Microsoft, the propaganda against the IE hegemony, it pretty much made the case for Java and the anti-Microsoft sentiment for the next 15 years. I understand the scrutiny about Chrome Apps isn't at the level of ActiveX (yet), but isn't a risk to lock crypto into such company specific platform? Google demonstrated its willingness to cooperate with governments, even they having no issue to cooperate with the corrupt communist Chinese government, do you really think it is a good idea progressing crypto with Chrome Apps?
Yes, the installation process is greatly simplified with Chrome Apps, but apart from the above issues there are always large number of users who prefer not to use Google products, the loyal Microsoft and Apple fanboys just to mention two of those user groups. I think you alienate a large percentage of the users with the selection of the platform. Did you think through that Chrome Apps direction?
yes, i did think it through. http://www.chromium.org/ it is open source. if google goes too evil, we can make a fork of the browser. Now comparing google's open source to MSFT and Apple, which are by and large closed source, this is no comparison at all. The chrome app works in windows and Mac and ultimately if it works, then users will be able to try it out. you complained about no adoption, I have solved the adoption issue. So now you complain that google are evil communists. Ignoring the politics, it is about the software. chrome apps was the best tech to achieve mass adoption and whatever cooperating google does with govts, well what exactly will they do about an open source project? James |
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