the word disease is meaningless
EVERYTHING that has a negative health can be described as a disease

its a buzzword that applies to any health issues
they even put alcoholism as a disease
addiction as a disease
heck even gluttany (greed of food) as a disease

thus its a meaningless buzzword


saying the word disease alone is meaningless and explains nothing
all it does is say 'something that has negative health issues'
thats it.
it does not explain cause or effect.

its like saying 'object'
it doesnt describe what it looks like how i was made or what it can do

your literally trying to make a debate by saying a car is not a car because its an object

sorry a car is still a car and by knowing the object is a car you then know what to expect it to look like, have an idea of how it was made and have an idea of what it can do.

by just saying 'no its just an object' you are making yourself into a fool by trying to make it something its not by hiding what it is
a car is a car and covid19 is a virus..
yes a car is a object and covid is a disease
but by saying a car is a object and thus its not a car anymore
by saying a virus is a disease and thus is not a virus anymore

is a fools errand
whats next
your wife is an object so your no longer gonna see her as human?? (using your own logic)

SUMMARY:
"disease" is not some sub cateory of a certain list of things
its an umbrella term for anything that can cause negative health impact

ok now you just lost the plot.. time for you to take a day or two to have a nice relaxing cup of coffee, take a bit of a chillout time and then actually do some research..

co-vid19 is a virus which has a particular symptom list
yes a health disorder with a particular symptom list is formally called a disease

but calling it a disease does not make it no longer a virus
again
a disease is a change to a persons health with a particular list of symptoms
the word disease itself does not describe the cause. or the effect. its just a term that covers anything that harms a persons health
including a virus
this particular virus has a known main severe symptom of pneumonia.
it is a virus with a known symptom
thus the current 'disease' is a virus with a symptom of causing pneumonia

by saying its a disease does not illiminate the virus part or change the symptom part
the word disease yet again because ithink it needs rattling into your mind is simple
its a word for ANY change of a persons health that has a certain symptom which can be fatal

again to repeat incase you didnt get it
by calling it a disease does not make it not  virus thing. its still a virus thing
now go take a break and do some research
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as for the whole 'people can get it again'
next year people will get corona.
people have been getting corona every year for decades

people next year will get a different strain
just like people got the sars corona then years later got the mers corona
both are categorised as respiratory diseses
and yes those that got sars and mers and others over the years can get co-vid19

what you really need to be aware of is that it is not like chicken pox. where by if you had it as a kid you cant get it
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the reason i say this is because there is a myth playing around that some are spreading the misinfomation that if they had the flu once in their life they will never get the flu again.
incorrect
they will get the flu. thats life. get used to it
you will get the flu over and over again.

no

corona is a category of viruses
corona has been around since before the 1960's and has mutated many times
things like SARS and MERS are the main notable ones but corona happens every year and people can get it each time

next year will have a new mutation and yes people can get corona again. but the new mutation.
its not about getting corona-19 again and again.
its about getting A corona of any kind 1960->

unlike measles which once vaccinated or once had it your not gonna get again even in a different strain
each year of corona is a different strain of corona

people get the flu each year. thats life
people will get it each year

just some years are more serious strain than others.
sars/mers strains years ago caused respiratory issues and the following years new strains didnt
his corona-19 causes pneumonia in vulnerable people and probably next years wont.
but people will get next years strain. and the year after that..
thats life

getting corona is not the big deal. thats not the issue,
the big deal is trying not to pass it on to people with already weak immune systems when the current strain around has extra issues for those with weaker immune systems

so the best advise people should actually care or worry about is to not go visit their elderly relatives during flu seasons

have america where states have more individuality and not the puppets of the fed
by this i mean let states really have there laws and the fed is just there to support state laws that are universal across all states

take examples of immigration. if some states allow it. then the fed cant enforce or control or pressure immigration resistance. because its not a UNITED state law.
however murder rape, massacre are UNITED state laws which every state agree's need support.

treat the fed as a uncle people call in when they need an extra hand. not the nanny/parent that controls and teaches the house rules

this can help reduce wasted budgets on needless things. stop cross state bickering due to fed agency interventions. and actually bring the power back to the people

an adult with a vagina

explanation
adult: woman:  child:girl

a woman can still be a women without being about to bear children, either through menapause or medical issues does not make a woman a no longer a woman
doesnt have to be attractive or ugly, doesnt have to be poor or rich, doesnt have to be unskilled or talented.

others try to describe a women as superior, successful, beautiful.. but that is just insulting the woman that are not, by saying a poor untalented ugly female is not a woman

so the obvious answer is an adult with a vagina

the CCDC report the other guy linked is a chinese CDC report based on chinese results based on data of before february 12th...
the chart about age mortatility is global data based on uptodate information from data at the end of february.

can you tell the difference yet.
fixed data report january/february in written form
fluid dataset with charts

anyway. why even discuss it the data is fluid (UNLIKE the report the guy keeps referencing thats now out of date)
not even sure what your trying to rebutt anymore.

the live data charts are more reliable info than a month old PDF report
if you want to spend your life just reading that month old transcript that will never change.. go ahead
ill keep looking at the live data. have a nice day..

and just incase you dont want to drop the matter becuse your more of a glory hound than someone that cares about content or context

the CCDC is out dated data of 11th february
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the chart is not just based on the CCDC data of feb11th.
its actually updated at the end of february with new numbers.

but seems a couple people in this topic want to rebtt meaningless points about a datapoint that even the datapoint becomes outdated and meaningless.
in short. just use the live data. which is the death vs RECOVERED rate. which gets updated regularly.. not some fixed print report of feb11th. and not death vs active cases(who still sick and unknown if recover or die.)

i dont even know what you are trying to rebutt

the worldometer is based on numbers as of now.
yep now

you keep trying to make it about an old report in february of a fixed dataset

the worldometer data changes per day based on results received daily of those recoverd vs those dead

so
1. its not based on the ccdc report thats of just the ~44k cases you think its about thats old data from february
2. its not based on all actively sick/active cases vs death. .. its recovered vs death thus more accurate
3. its chart is of the worldometer chart.

also. your trying to state that the death rate is ~3%... but thats based on all cases open&closed vs death
your stats are skewed because some of those still sick are neither dead nor recovered. but skewing the numbers to make it look like its only  ~3% risk vs a more accurate <6%

sorry but i will stick to results that atleast seem to be more uptodate and not skewed.

anyway. you been trying to rebut this so long that the results are in that the death rate has now declined below 6%.
(above 5.. not below 3 which you seem to think)
so take that as a hint that you have been beating a busted drum for too long. move on

if you look at the chart. its all about the worldometer
here is the friggen link
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

by the way. its not based on current active cases of people currently sick
there was an explanation that if it was then the numbers would be misleading
so if you kept reading the page it says

CFR = deaths / (deaths + recovered)

not
CFR = deaths / (deaths + currently sick)
nor
CFR = deaths / (deaths + currently sick +recovered)


here:

NOPE
its 94% recovered/discharged 6% death
its not 94% still sick 6% dead

the main causes of spread have been

patients in hospital spreading to other patients

elderly peoples homes/retirement villages
they are told to stay in and pretty much turn the retirement home (old peoples hotel basically) into an incubator/Petri dish for viruses. and when they get it. the nurses who sometimes do remote care also. then spread it from place to place

home care social/care workers
usually these care workers spend half-hour/hour in upto 8-10 peoples homes a day. these people needing care at home are at risk and although they themselves dont go out. its the care workers that go place to place that bring it into the homes

however your just walking around town and your worried about getting it from licking a retail shop window. just stop licking windows. you shouldnt be doing it anyway

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i think you posted it for a bit of satire. seeing as the writer is still not even 100% convinced the earth is curved.
as for over using occums razor.. come on its common knowledge dont share needles or razors. the over use of random people using occums razor has caused many myths to go viral.
especially in the linked example where he tries to make it sound obsurd that it came from a fish market. by tweaking the details.
by making long sentances about fact. and then a short fiction. then saying occums razors = short version true. doesnt make it true

again.. im not even sure why you are tryig to rebuttal it
the shenyang example clearly shows lots of greys and only a couple greens
which i said and then you rebuttaled to weirdly agree is lots of random planes and only a couple of departures
but make it sound like there wasn't. (strange)

then you said wuhan had no departures. but then showed a list of departures and arrivals and there being some 15-30minute intervals..
thats exactly what i said there were arrivals and departures still happening with 15-30minute intervals

you just proved my case.
move on already.

stop trying to make the flu sound like an apocalypse zombie doomsday story.
its the flu

what your not realising is most people are not under hazmat protocol marshal law curfew. instead its self imposted fear which is making less people want to travel.
here ask yourself a question
if there was a true quarantine hazmat curfew lockdown.. then how come cruiseships and tourists be able to take the virus out of wuhan...

wait. could it be because the roads, rail and airlines took them
but wait how can that be so
because airlines and roads DIDNT have hazmat swat teams with sniper rifles and barbed wire and other silly things i heard people think when talking about the "quarantine"


lets word it another way.
in america there has been 445 people believed they might have it (out of 320m) and only 14 out of the 445 had it
basically even if you have a sore throat or been around chinese people there is 5% you'll get it

yet american media are trying to make it sound like the walking dead series.
so just calm down

oh by the way.
at the peak of a ~4000 a day new diagnoses in china.. its now down to only a couple hundred.
so really do calm down.. because the actual chinese seemed to have

my point was. if mcdonalds was in trouble. the downstairs would be quiet for you not to need to go upstairs.
i can kinda understand your extra awareness of CV due to you being 78 thus naturally at higher risk than say a person under 50yo. but just dont let the fear overwhelm you
truckstop meals and bacon/egg muffins mixed with stress can play on the heart more than CV can play on the table

twitchy:
just checking the first couple lines of your 'source'... reuters. cnn.. hmm seems more like western media to me
anyway
time of posting i checked again the tracking sites


oh look i see planes
oh look i see departure listings
oh look i see no cancelations

as for comparing it to another city view. the funny thing that you done though was reveal the green planes which were the only planes related to that area.
the other planes were just random planes
in my town we dont have airports for 50 miles. yet i look into the sky and see jetstreams and planes regular.. same goes for your comparative image of shenyang

but yea goodluck saying that no planes are leaving wuhan just because wiki via cnn told you

here is a little hint to you
dont believe anything from western media about the january 25th-> fortnight.

why go upstairs?
come on. i visit mcdonalds now and again and for decades of adult memories in the town i go to, the upstairs is near vacant unless its for a kids party or a group
also
6am-9am.. most are still asleep. ofcourse its not going to be crowded at that time or at the upper floor.
but kind of funny why you specifically went upstairs.. either your trying to sway the narrative that mcdonalds is empty by you avoiding the restaurant area on purpose.
or
your just not like regular people who dont get up at 6am to just eat mdconalds for 3 hours
or
its extra busy downstairs meaning you had to go upstairs to gets some space/quiet time

anyway.
out of 11m wuhan population far less than 80k infected and far less than [of those infected] 5% died
overall wuhan population risk of death is something like 0.2%.. and thats the epicentre of the flu

not even a 1% chance of getting it. and if you do you got a good chance of being fine
basically everyone will get the flu at sometime in their life. sometimes people get it every year.
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now on a serious note
the spread of corona wont affect business
the spread of mis-imformation and selective narratives will affect businesses

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last note
with you(kuffy) at a truck stop the other day and now mcdonalds this morning.
you should worry about the fats and calories more than the flu

any way. ofcourse you can have personal contacts in china. you can also visit it.. or
there are many sources
flight tracker websites
live webcams

by the way. check the dates of chinas new year festival..
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cant believe you tried to quite wiki as source.
whats next.. will you think CSW is satoshi if wiki tells you so??

wuhan(china) was not in lockdown

western media thought that because shops were shut and stuff it was a quarantine. but it was the standard january new year festival.

shops opening the same day as the end of the festival was not just a coincidence. it was not about corona. it was just the festival end
airplanes still departed from wuhans airport every 15-30minutes

the only people at risk of severe pneumonia/death were the elderly and those with already weakened immune systems
china responded quickly. they created a couple hospitals specifically for those with the flu to keep them separate from normal patients in normal hospitals that had weakened immune systems

wuhan itself has a total population of 11m
yet world wide not even 100k people have it.

put it this way if everyone in the world that has had corona was told to go to wuhan to truly quarantine it.
the stats would be
1% of wuhan total population got the flu and of that 4% of those affected die
in short 0.04% death rate
(numbers are lower because there is no marshal law quarantine)

again if your under 50yo your chances of infected is 0.2% and if over 80yo 14%

what you will find is that certain area's of wuhan like normal hospitals and retirement villages have special protocols. to take extra care. but to try imagining the situation in china as a city wide marshal law lockdown is a big exaggeration

yep. even the public service buses are still running.
yep cargo ships still running
yep cars still using the road
yep people still walking around
yep the bridges still letting people to cross
yep airports still departing

im glad you finally see my point by your own admissions. that even after a dozen years. all you managed to achieve was to be a guest on a space research pod that was not an actual 'seasteading/bluewater/oceanbuilder' project
(remember you yourself denounced association with its funding/designing/involvement)

so im glad your finally realising your lack of results even after all them investment campaigns and world wide conference tours

badecker. your the one in the dark
i go places. i do my research. i invest. and i do things.
just take a look at elwars supposed successes
day one im living free on a seastead. im sacagewea
day 60 i didnt own it i didnt make it i was just a temporary vacation guest, a no body, please dont imprison me for breaking the law

by the way even in the 2 months t was at sea. elwar couldnt even manage to stay there for 60 nights.
he just wanted to borrow a completely different project. fame it up as being the seastead project for a money grab

i think the future of education should be in remote teaching.
things like a youtube platform where lecturers present their lessons and students can like or dislike it. and eventually a hotlist of best lecturers for certain subjects pop up.

we already seen it happen a little bit with bitcoin. people found and liked andreas antanopolus, they found him very good at explaining bitcoin in the early days vs many others that tried and failed back then.
people will have the ability to pick their lecturer instead of just having the single lecturer of the single college that they were granted privelidge to be invited into.

i think revenue for lecturers should be based on views/likes/dislikes so that it teaches the teacher what they really should be focused on and learn from mistakes to make their job more productive.
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just imagine it. watch a youtube video about a subject and there is a link to a test. pass it first time and it adds a small percentage unit of credit to your academic score. get enough credits and you graduate
no deadlines. no constraints. just pay as you go learning in subjects you want to learn

$10k for 1 week time share... are you kidding me
you havnt even bought a single one and already want to grab money and not even let people own a hole pod in full.

and.. you think you can then get the investor to sub-let that to a airBnB customer for that week
seriously you need to sack your accountant. and project manager. and fundraiser. and lawyer

elwar even now you still just aint getting the point are you
stop stroking your ego trying to make out your sacagewea of the lewis and clarke expedition
not only is it a bad reference. but just .. no.. you aint

to be honest you latest video where you tag the guy 'sea jobs' has a bit more rep then you. maybe its time to take a step back and let people with a real eco-sea passion take over a eco-sea project.

i cant believe you presented the latest video as a anti-gov propaganda piece without realising how legally you were in the wrong, and thinking you were just a couple living in their home being free. .. then getting people around you to then say you didnt build it, own it, you were just staying there a while..
dang. even now you cant even edit a straight narrative together.

i say all this because seasteading and eco projects actually fascinate me both personally and professionally. and years ago i was looking for investments and hobbies. but you elwar have been the thorn in the project that has detracted me from it and even times i thought of suggesting a few things to help.. i then rethought my thoughts and decided you were not worthy of the tips.

but anyways. i digressed.
lets get back to my initial thought of the latest project you are trying to promote.
again dang your time shares are ridiculous especially when your hoping for those investors to make their money back from airBnB.
i still think you need a math teacher
its just as bad as your previous project of wanting millions to buy a boat to use as a HQ/office and occassional one night-guests

seriously try any let someone else be the front man of the project. even that 'sea jobs' guy(grant romundt) sounds better than you