That does not matter. The vast majority of escrow transactions have one specific party pay for the escrow service. If for example the buyer is paying the 1% escrow fee, the escrow provider is not going to to give money back to the buyer when it would not be appropriate to do so.

Are you paying for shipping?

It is currently 2:03 Hawaii (standard?) time so it will be 3pm roughly 57 minutes from the time stamp of this post.

My answer that signature deals would probably be more profitable then running miners. If you take the S5 for example, it will cost you roughly 1.2btc based on what bitmain is charging right now (it will actually be a little bit more with shipping and taxes but we can stick with 1.2). In the roughly two months that I was mining with my two S5's (plus the S3 that I still have but we can add that to the calculation) I made roughly 1 BTC in mining revenue, note this is revenue and does not factor in the cost of electricity. It might have been a little bit higher but not very much so. So this means that two S5's would make roughly .5 Btc per month before electricity or roughly .25 btc per month per S5. Now you need to remember that the value of the S5 is going to decline over time as more efficient miners come to market and as the difficulty increases.

Consider the da dice signature campaign on the other hand. If you were to buy a senior account for .3 (there are few sellers that will sell for this little however if you lurk in the digital goods section long enough you will probably be able to find sellers who will sell at this price) then you could buy four low level senior accounts for the same 1.2 btc that you spent on the S5. With the da dice campaign paying .0013 per post up to 100 posts per week, you could make .13 per week per account, or ~.52 per month per senior account. Multiply that times four accounts and you could make roughly 2 btc per month for ~1600 posts. Not only that but you could earn an additional .6 btc per month by winning the most constructive posts contest of .15 per week so your total earnings potential would be 2.68 btc per month from a 1.2 btc investment. Not only that but the value of your accounts should increase over time as they accumulate activity points and potentially rank up to hero status. Your risk however is that making that many posts may result in the temptation to make a lot of shitty posts which would result in your accounts getting banned which would stop your signature campaign revenue. This also obviously does not take into account the value of your time that you spend posting, however if you are interested in bitcoin this might not matter.

Tl;dr signature campaigns.

I hope that you understand that you are the one at a disadvantage here. MZ is trying to help you out by offering you a refund. It may have been a poor decision on MZ's part to take the account as collateral without first getting a signed message, however  the account is almost certainly not hacked considering how long it took the OP to post claiming his account is hacked.

The OP may or may not be able to prove that he previously owned the account, however the large gap in time between when MZ took the account and when he posted about it being stolen almost certainly proves that the owner consented to the transfer.

Did you seriously wait almost a month to confirm that you actually received funds from this person? If so then I am sorry but that is just reckless.

Given the large number of scams that various mining manufacturers have pulled off throughout bitcoin's history, I think it would probably be appropriate for none of the mining manufacturers to be anywhere near the default trust system.

Allowing the manufacturers to receive benefits from being on the default trust network makes them appear to be more trustworthy then they probably should be considered. Take friedcat for example, his close relationship with CITM has allowed him to maintain an impenetrateable trust rating that is maintained at +150 despite having 3 negatives from people in the default trust network. He received positive trust ratings from an artificially high number of his customers. As a result he was trusted enough to be able to steal over a million dollars from his customers.

If I were an outsider and I were considering to buy from Bitmain, SP, or even FC, then I could see that they all have positive trust score, and have their trust opinions trusted by default so I may elect to cease further due diligence on their operations prior to investing large amounts of money into their equipment.

All three of the above just so happen to be on CITM's trust network.

Yup they are probably the same person considering they both have the exact same signature and the exact same btc address in their profile. I wonder if onemorebtc was banned as onemorexmr was created ~8 hours after onemorebtc posted last, even though onemorebtc was last online only today.

edit: his UID is not on the modlog, however that does not mean for sure that he was not banned

I'm sorry, but who are you? Your account is two weeks old so it is not possible to have removed me from your trust list "a while ago"

The reason I ask is because I know of very few people who have removed me from their trust list, one (or more) of them is (are) someone that has carried out a lot of long term scams, stealing huge amounts of money, although as of more recently the amount of time it took to change from 'honest' to 'scam' has declined, each con has resulted in similarly large amounts of money being stolen.

Do you have any documentation in regards to the loan/deal/trade? I don't think many/anyone is going to just take your word for it

We can agree to disagree on this one. As I mentioned previously, if his only intentions are to sell one (or a few) accounts and then leave then there is no reason why he would ever not use escrow for any of his deals, and as long as he offers escrow, my negative will have zero impact on him.

My negative trust has to do with the fact that his name is very similar to another account seller who has been around for a while without major incidents (and as a result people would potentially trust enough to send bitcoin first to him).

I think it is fair to say that his username is closely sounding enough to ACCTseller that someone could potentially mistake him for it.

Like I said before if his intentions are to simply sell his account and then leave then he can create another username that does not sound similar to someone somewhat trusted.

There are plenty of account sellers out there and they do not have any negatives from me with the exception of those who have either sold hacked accounts or those who engage in something unethical.

Since you are a newbie it would be best to use escrow anyway, even without the negative. So if you use escrow then there should be no problems with you having a negative from me (assuming of course your intentions are good).

Judging by your post history your account was created for the purpose of selling whatever account that you have for sale, and will likely be abandoned once you have sold your account. If this is the case then you might as well create a new account that does not resemble another somewhat trusted member's username to sell your account(s), if this is not the case then I will reevaluate my rating sometime in the future.

EDIT: unfortunate the signature spam is an unfortunate reality right now, although BadBear is working hard in fighting it for us

I am going to bump this thread for you.

You should not have more then one thread open buying or selling the same thing

So it sounds like anything between MS-63 and MS-65 should sell for roughly the same as an ungraded coin, assuming that the person selling the ungraded coin is reputable and who reputation is that who knows how to handle uncirculated coins.

What does it take to get whitelisting privileges? and/or get an account whitelisted? The last time I created a newbie account to catch a scammer it was very annoying to deal with the 360 second limit, especially when trying to deal with multiple scammers at once. And the time before that the account I created for similar reasons the account was proxy banned because I was behind PIA, - I think I might have actually given up after that

It costs $21 plus shipping both ways to get a coin graded (minimum of 5 at a time). If a coin is of low quality then it probably would not make sense to get it graded and get a low grade.

I am not sure if something that gets a ms-64 is worth grading, but it probably is as 'ms' stands for "mint state'

If they are acting as escrow they are not helping the scammer. They are protecting whoever they are trading with.

Based on how quickly you are responding to this thread, I think it is fairly safe to say that you are already here via another account

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