people have the biological ability to speak. people have the biological ability to shut up

there is government laws where THE GOVERNMENT cannot force/coerce someone to stay silent(freedom of speach)
there is government laws where THE GOVERNMENT cannot force/coerce someone to speak(things like fifth amendment)

but none of that lot means other people are forced to listen to you, forced to believe what you say is true, nor forced to care about what you say.
infact its actually promoted that people should correct other people and give better opinions and better facts than what they might have seen elsewhere.

so instead of thinking the sun is freedom of speach to then stupidly think it means listen, read, trust and treat it as fact. ..  understand that the sun is full of exagerations and clickbait and listen to it for entertainment reasons but seek elsewhere for true source of facts. dont just treat the sun or anything as complete fact.

you know.. do some research
hint: tabloid:'lurid and sensational.
hint: lurid:'presented in vividly shocking or sensational terms
hint: sensational: 'presenting information intended to provoke public interest and excitement, at the expense of accuracy'

yep tabloid: vividly shocking and exciting information thats not accurate

now try to seek out some sources that are not described as tabloid news

if you think the sun is journalism. then its time you try a different source of info.
i learned 30 years ago the meaning of tabloid. and the sun is a tabloid media source

a solution to cnuts problem would be simple.

say a $10k tax.. $5k is automated as goverment decided funding to split how they like and $5k then is decided by the citizens

im not suggesting for my idea to be implemented i was more thinking idea's that are actually possible with todays tech to allow 'voters' more control over government funded stuff. rather than just being used as electoral pawns once every 4-5 years

i also wanted to see a few examples of what people truly feel is their main priority of treasury funds.

gotta laugh.. calling electronic devices deadly weapons and terrifying
if its using an antenna its probably a signal jammer

2020 peace prize awarded for..... christina aguilera remix 'do something or ill scowl at you' (say something im giving up on you)

chinese deaths due to traffic related incidents =~21,000 january
chinese deaths corona virus incidents =~500 january

corona virus impact o bitcoin mining
december hashrate low = ~80exa
january hashrate low = ~90exa
february hashrate low = ~100exa


china facemask imagery
google image: china <year> smog
2019 - confirmed sightings of facemasks
2018 - confirmed sightings of facemasks
2017 - confirmed sightings of facemasks
2016 - confirmed sightings of facemasks
2015 - confirmed sightings of facemasks
2014 - confirmed sightings of facemasks

...

media talks of businesses shutting down january-february
google search: chinese new year festival

...
hmmmm... ok

and there disapears the good old days of getting giftcards of $50 and it only costing $40 of btc..
LN wants people to pay $51 worth of milisats for $50 giftcard........

.....
anyone see the problem with that promotion..

MEDIA quote btctop having to shut down...

.. hashrate statistics still show btctop doing 4exahash for last 3 days....
assessment: media less believable than blockchain hashrate stats
summary: btctop still operating

..
by the way.
if china was on a lockdown and quarantine. latest images would not see people walking around but would show a 'ghost town' imagery. .. i see people in latest pics.
assessment: people still free to move around
assessment: western media need to do more research

.. and big big deal information..
LEARN THE DATES OF CHINESE NEW YEAR
people are on vacation in some places.

also..
if you want to have an explanation of all the facemask pics..
i can pick any year in the last decade and find china facemask pics.
just google image:    china <year> smog
yep chinese wear facemasks all the time anyway

..
as for the whole network hashrate
december. lowest hashrate in the 80's exa
january. lowest hashrate in the 90's exa
february. lowest hashrate in the 100's exa

.. all i see is growth.. not shutdowns.

LIGHTNING is a system that uses 12 decimal tokens..
go on.. i truly dare you to pretend millisats are a myth and dont exist in LN
millisats are not bitcoin compatible. thus LN millisats are not bitcoin.
but go on try proving no millisats exist in LN.. really go on try. try hard to be convincing

LIGHTNING has no blockchain
LIGHTNING has no block hash, blockreward
LIGHTNING is compatible for different currencies.
LIGHTNING is not bitcoin if it is for different things not bitcoin related.

bank notes were associated with gold. and in the future could be again.. but that does not make banknotes gold. just a possible 'representation' a peg of it

im starting to think you have not actually used LN to actually use it properly.
the whole 'just open channel once and your good for years' is a blatant exaggeration of average user experience.
dang the PR hype train is at full speed

by the way.
if i make a transaction to you for 10btc. but i never broadcast it.. do you really then own my 10btc..
nope.
if it aint on the blockchain you got no proof of owning btc.
so goodluck thinking LN is a bitcoin ownership finality system. its not. its a private IOU promise system. with flaws to allow the promise to be broken before being broadcast.

again if its not on the blockchain it aint your bitcoin.

try to be honest about bitcoin and less LN hype fanboyish... or atleast try to use LN properly and learn its limitations and actual user experience to maybe atleast be accurate about what LN is/isnt.

1,000,000,000 population
0,000,000,X00 deaths
not 10%.. no 1% not 0.1% not 0.01%

sorry but with the 0.00005% (of which most are kids and pensioners.
i dont see a problem

the january lull is not unusual.
it happens every year its called the chinese new year.

miners run on electric. not human muscle. electronics do not catch the corona virus so there is no quarantine for average people

as for humans. at airports there is just a person with a thermometer at check in
westerners in china are still getting on planes and coming home to the west.

will people stop trying to cause stupid speculation to affect the market price
if you want to make money.. buy paper facemasks for pennies and sell them to dumb people for 10x

btc doesnt move
its on the blockchain..

whats moving on LN is millsats.. you know tokens of 12 decimal.
the interplay of funds in channel are millisat based

again you pretend that LN is not separate. you pretend that LN is btc associated by trying to off-play LN's specific feature

you add words like "supposed"to make it seem like its not used for other things and only a myth that its used for other things.
you are trying a little too hard to try making it sound like people are using LN to a high utility. sorry but if you take out all the factories LN is not used that much.
atleast try to understand whats best for bitcoin and not whats best for commercial interests of greedy profiteers

and yo keep trying to not even mention the flaws LN has..
all you seem to wnt to do is hype it up as something that deserves to be associated with bitcoin

its not ready for consumer use and will never and even you have to admit this will never have the same level of security as bitcoin.

so can you just turn your overpromoting PR campaign down a few levels and try being realisitic..

stop trying to make it look like bitcoin is useless and LN is what everyone needs and uses.. its not
its becoming too obvious that yo are somehow financially gaining from promoting certain commercialised groups rather than being completely honest and thoughtful about bitcoin
and yes i mean BITCOIN

if people were to actually want to find out info. they wont find it via metadata of the white paper or emails.
if anything it may come from debug logs of the very first 2009 versions of bitcoins program wrote by satoshi.


firstly it was not tor compatible back then and of course being peer to peer. he had to connect his node to someone somewhere for him to be on the network

imagine a government treasury set up like 10 'stable coin' addresses for 10 government departments

social security (unemployment/housing/statepension)
local security(police)
homeland security(secret service/fbi/military defence)
offensive security(military offence)
social care(mental/rehab/domestic)
social services(roads/maintenance)
medical
fire rescue
environmental
education

where by if someone calculates they owe say $20k
the could buy $20k of a stable coin and then send the $20k out to the 10 addresses in fractions of their own choosing to area's that mean most to them.

what thoughts would people have. also. give an example of how you would allot a $10k tax bill
and link the tx ID and a signed message of proof .. to show they paid their taxes..
firstly proces they pay it. secondly lets them 'vote' for things that mean most to them

me personally:  (copy and edit your prefered numbers)
[$1k]social security (unemployment/housing/statepension)
[$1k]local security(police)
[$0.5k]homeland security(secret service/fbi/military defence)
[$0k]offensive security(military offence)
[$0.5k]locial care(mental/rehab/domestic)
[$1k]social services(roads/maintenance)
[$2k]medical
[$1k]fire rescue
[$1k]environmental
[$2k]education

point people are trying to describe LN AS BITCOIN
is like saying EXCHANGES ARE BITCOIN
is like saying RIPPLE IS BITCOIN
is like saying VISA IS DOLLAR

sorry it aint.
LN is 12 decimal. LN has no blockchain. LN has no miners. LN is NOT bitcoin
funny thing is many altcoins have more things very similar to bitcoin yet you are the one very quick to call them out as not bitcoin.
yet something without  blockchain without mining without decentralised peer review of all transactions.. ou want to associate as bitcoin.

LN is broke. sorry but its not a consumer ready tool. so stop selling it as if its the same thing and should be treated as good as or treated better than bitcoin.
atleast take your fanboy desires for greedy riches out of your opinions and think of what people should know about what is truly bitcoin and what is a separate tool.

LN is not a sole unique feature for utility for only bitcoin. so drop treating it as a bitcoin buzzword. its actually harming bitcoins rep every time people lose funds on LN
(yep people do lose funds and yep even LN devs have.. which shows how broke it is)
LN does not deserve bitcoins fame and bitcoin should not give LN fame

he is not satoshi
he is not a hacker

he does not own any funds of stash 2009-2010(satoshi)
he does not own any funds of other stashes 2011-2013(mtgox/others)

no hacking occured. no private key is owned

all he done was grabbed publicly available information the PUBLIC ADDRESSES. and PRETENDED they were of importance and pretended they were his.

he just made a text file of PUBLIC ADDRESSES and told a naive second party that they were security keys attached and to notorise the PUBLIC addresses as collateral to then scam the aussie tax office and then rescam private investors.

right now he is trying to patent and case law create proof of something to then try selling these patents and his 'story'(book deal) to repay debts.

he is a scammer doing scam after scam pretty much a 'rob peter to pay paul' to scam person after person to scam scam scam.

he has no collateral originating as his own. its all scam and trickery to syphon money from investors and try repaying bits out to try keeping them calm and prolong it as long as possible

...
the latest legal stuff about the tulip collateral. is just delaying it by holding it up in court. so that the 'statue of limitations' runs out so that the aussie government can no longer chase after him because of a time limit

ira klieman and wright are not enemies. they are frenemies(freinds pretending to be enemies) just trying to keep the collaterals status of ownership in question so that australian cant do anything. then when the statue of limitation elapses. craig will pay his friend some money as a thank you for playing his game..

only issue is craig has leaped passed just civil limitations and is stepping foot into criminal actions.. meaning he can still get in alot of trouble.. but hey.. thats future drama

cracking all of it NOW will only reveal the relay peers of .. guess.. NOW
they dont hold logs of 11 years ago.. so it isnt 'seems impossible' .. but 'definetly impossible'

ha ha ha. so much fail in one post

you say "in lightning" ... "its bitcoin" .. wait you were saying they the same thing..

first he says LN is bitcoin..
then ends with 'its about lightning not bitcoin...

which is it??
(rhetorical question only you need to answer for yourself.. i already know.. and deep down you kinda know they separate. but afraid to admit it publicly)

..
anyway the other points.
LN channels are just pegged 12 decimal tokens that are linked to bitcoin locked transactions. LN are also channels that are not linked directly to bitcoin transactions.
you might want to (dare i say it once more) do some friggin research!!
check out how the 'factory concept works

hint. the factory (custodian) has the pegged tokens that sign transactions.. and what they then hand out to users is OFF CHAIN transactions that dont identify as reminiscent to the onchain transactions.. this allow users to play around with, to their hearts content and pleasure and can be consolidated and re-issued without needing bitcoins blockchain..

lastly..
you keep thinking lightning is bitcoins layer..
ITS NOT

lightning is a separate network for multiple coins.. fully independent of bitcoins network.
it was actually bitcoin that had to change to be compatible to LN to actually do things for LN..
wake up and take our nose out of certain peoples back side and try to read something independent.
heck even some LN devs themselves are honest enough to admit LN's issues..
but if you only want to stick with a certain camps thoughts. then you are very one sided and not willing to learn. you just want to fanboy
beut please do some friggin research... its been a few years yet you still seem stuck back in the old age myths.. and its becoming very very strange for someone to be promting someone and yet years later not any better knowledged on the subject.

very very very very last hint.
learn the friggen difference between millisats and sats and why millisats are not compatible with bitcoin.
try to actually learn some basics and not some fanboy tactics

..
point is..
if you saying moving iat using bitcoin
the whole typing in debit card details takes more than a few seconds
getting the bitcoin takes minute. putting bitcoin into a channel takes time.. moving millisats(notbtc) takes seconds. then getting the actual BTC at the end takes minutes(sometimes weeks depending on lock
.. please understand difference between the tx of few seconds of millsat based tokens. is not bitcoin
this might aswell be saying kraken makes bitcoin fast because XRP is fast..
(you know XRP is not bitcoin)

ask anyone what bitcoin is
if one person describes blockchains and 8 decimals and confirmation and mining.. they are correct

if one person describes channels and 12 decimals and just countersigning they are incorrect.
someone has really duped you into thinking bitcoin is not bitcoin and LN is

screw it.. for future reference and a reminder.. ill make a short quote by your own words too.. just as a reminder

firstly LN is not bitcoin.. yep worth emphasising every time i post on the topic
secondly.

LN is not a robust consumer ready payment network
LN is just a tool for many currencies. not just the bitcoin network and again it just is not bitcoin

i can live with people describing it as a visa for cryptocurrency just like visa is for fiat. but trying to say visa is fiat and LN is bitcoin.. is just nonsense

LN is much more vulnerable than even visa. heck its more vulnerable than having a joint bank account with your spouse
it also requires alot more crap involved to make it resemble reliable function like factories and watch towers.

i found so many flaws in LN when i tested it. that i gave up even trying to hint at some of the issues that needed addressing.
by the way. even the LN devs know some flaws so dont even try to say im just bias against it

im all for having something to make consumers life easier. but not at the price of tarnishing bitcoins status.
trying to call out that bitcoin is broken/flawed and people should use LN instead is the opposite of reality.

but my main gripe is pretending an inferior network is part of bitcoin.. just makes me feel those promoting it just want some buzzword recognition for greed. and dont actually care much to actually do anything positive for bitcoin(the real bitcoin network)

68.57.205.126=tor
=satoshi not found
=moving on

by your own wording it shows the hyping up
yousay that LN is not as strong as the main chain. but just look how you wrote it and think of it. you think that they are linked and part of each other.. especially with your extra words calling it a second layer.

LN IS NOT IN ANYWAY BITCOIN!!!!!!!
its a separate network
it has tokens of 12 decimals
it has no blockchain
it does not rely on community oversight/storage/checking

LN is not a sole feature of bitcoin. its not even a unique feature only for bitcoin
LN is not bitcoin

LN is a commercial service for many coins and is just using the fame of bitcoin

by shouting out the word layer makes you stupidly try to associate LN with bitcoin.. thus making noobs think because bitcoin is safe LN is safe.

sorry LN should not be assiociated with bitcoin and definetly should not be promoted as a bitcoin solution/feature

it has taken a few years for people to wise up that custodial services like exchanges are not bitcoin. and should not be treated as part of bitcoin. but treated as a custodial service.
but even now still stupid people think custodial services are bitcoiin
(take peter schiff's recent dumbness blaming bitcoin for his lack of understanding of how a custodial service works)


LN needs to back off the bitcoin waggon and stop stealing the 'trust' and security of bitcoin by pretending LN is in anyway like bitcoin

i dont min promoters saying LN is a cryptocurrency gateway network for fast payments. but trying to say its not a gateway but infact the same property/ land of bitcoin is stretching the truth a lil wide

LN is not bitcoin nor is it a layer or a feature of bitcoin
i got no problem with anyone wanting to have convenient ways to make money but to try making bitcoin itself harder and more expensive to use. and to make it appear as if bitcoin is broken purely to fame up another network like LN is shameful on many levels.

LN is not bitcoin
bitcoins features stop at locking a transaction into a block with a time limit
other networks can then create their own tokens pegged to the lock but that does not make them that currency it just makes them a pretend currency

i do find it funny how people still think  LN is bitcoin an can make bitcoin great.. yet not letting bitcoin expand while trying to divert people onto those other networks that are not bitcoin but pretend to be