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11981  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 08:48:14 PM
Block time should be increased but block reward also need to be increased proportionally to keep the amount of mined coins unchanged.

Yes that has always been the plan.

11982  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 08:17:46 PM
I suggest conducting a poll regarding block times.  
Any hard fork is effectively a poll of miners anyway

That's a terribly expensive way to poll.  Better to conserve resources by pre-testing the idea.  If a hard fork fails, it doesn't just waste precious development time, it does serious damage to credibility and community.

I didn't mean it that way. You code it so that only after a sufficient number of miners are running the new code does it go into effect. As long as they upgrade, it flips over at some automatically-determined point, but if for some reason they don't, everything stays the way it is. There is no failed hard fork.

Of course we can discuss this in the community first and if there is strong opposition not do it, but I really don't see why anyone would be strongly opposed. I could be wrong though.

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One fundamental problem with handing veto to the miners is that miners are generally (1) very poor at estimating value impact of a change and (2) very very short-term in their return profiles.
Oh, and another may be if the miners consist primarily of criminals operating botnets.  The opposite of meritocracy, there.

Kind of unavoidable. It's the golden rule. The miners are spending the money to run the network (even if in some cases they are stealing it), so in a sense they get to make the rules.  You can sort of run interference against the miners by blocking relaying in the nodes, but it doesn't really work that well except in the most extreme cases.
11983  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [QCN] OTC exchange and trading thread for QuazarCoin on: May 21, 2014, 07:00:20 PM
Selling 1000 for 0.2 btc, min 500
11984  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 06:32:57 PM
I did, I started it actually. But just wanted to say again... Just mined 4h straight for nothing. So you saying that mining solo would not change that? getting less orphans I mean

I mine solo and I get plenty of orphans. It's perfectly normal for a 60 second block time. It's probably a little worse with pools, because the pool layer adds more latency, but that's shouldn't be a huge factor.


That's why this coin will ultimately fail soon...Way too many orphan blocks are being generated, making it practically useless to mine this coin.

Not really. Everybody gets orphans so the effect is to make the difficulty lower than it would otherwise be. You get more blocks, but more of them are orphaned, so the end result is about the same. It is annoying, inefficient, and confusing, but it doesn't really affect mining output.


11985  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 06:27:41 PM
I did, I started it actually. But just wanted to say again... Just mined 4h straight for nothing. So you saying that mining solo would not change that? getting less orphans I mean

I mine solo and I get plenty of orphans. It's perfectly normal for a 60 second block time. It's probably a little worse with pools, because the pool layer adds more latency, but that's shouldn't be a huge factor.
11986  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 05:46:06 PM
I suggest conducting a poll regarding block times.  60 seconds is just batshit crazy, in my opinion.  My suggestion is to make block times a function of the number of transactions per block over the past N blocks, with a hard maximum to insure minimum emission rate and continuous mining.

This won't work in the obvious way since there is already a dynamic scaling mechanism in cryptonote for block size (and therefore transactions per block). It is probably possible to create a stable scaling mechanism that uses both dependent variables, but how to do this is not really obvious. The choice of ideal block interval is not entirely a function of transaction volume, it is also a function of latency and propagation.

In the short term the easy and relatively uncontroversial fix is to go to something 2 or 2.5 minutes. Pretty much everyone who has actually studied the problem has concluded something in that range is the smallest interval that works well today, and indeed that Satoshi's choice of 10 minute was not excessive. Including, I suspect crytponote/bytecoin, when they picked 2 minutes.

Any hard fork is effectively a poll of miners anyway, since it won't be adopted if the majority of hash power doesn't adopt it.

11987  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 05:15:21 PM
Pools have a lot of orphaned blocks don't they? like 1/4 or so.

Yes, that's sucks, because a lot of hashrate is consealed somewhere... it seems huge farms mining solo or on their own private pools.

I can tell you are a lot of people mining solo, I'm one of them, and I have a significant number of high performance computers. I do this not only in part because the returns are better mining solo (since the pools and pool miners are not quite fully there yet) but also to help keep the coin decentralized. The more solo miners there are, the harder it is for any of the pools to become too dominant. If we are lucky there will continue to be a lot of solo miners, although other coins have struggled with this.

This has little if anything to do with orphans though. As I explained in my other post, a high rate of orphans comes with 60 second blocks. That is just too fast.



11988  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 05:12:30 PM
Pools have a lot of orphaned blocks don't they? like 1/4 or so.

Whether using pools or not, this coin has a lot of orphaned blocks. When the original fork was done, several of us advised against 60 second blocks, but the warnings were not heeded.

I'm hopeful we can eventually make a change to more sane 2- or 2.5-minute blocks which should drastically reduce orphans, but that will require a hard fork, so not that easy.
11989  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 02:52:39 PM
Hi, I have some questions for marketing purposes for Monero.

  • Is it fair to say Monero is %100 anonymous? As I understand it, it is possible to do forensic study of the blockchain to determine with high probability who sent a transaction, but it is never possible to prove it irrefutably. Is that true?

I suggest reviewing the materials at cryptonote.org. They do a nice job of explaining what the protocol does or doesn't do. In particular anonymous is a pretty vague term and to their credit cryptonote rarely uses it, if at all. Instead they use more precise terms such as "unlinkable" and "blockchain analysis resistance." Have a look.

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  • Does Monero have a blockchain in the same sense as Bitcoin? How reliable is the total coin count on the block explorer and how is that number reliably determined?

Yes it has a block chain and each block has a reward. I assume the block explorer is adding those up from the genesis block to the most recent block but you would have to ask the developer of the explorer to be sure.

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  • I've heard that Bytecoin is closed source? Is that true and if so does that mean Monero is also closed source? Finally if Monero is not closed source how did it fork from Bytecoin if Bytecoin is closed source?

Monero and Bytecoin are both open source. The source is available on github, linked from the first post on this thread.

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  • Are the same type of altcoins possible with Bytecoin forks that are possible with Bitcoin forks? If so, theoretically are things like Proof of Stake, Fluttercoin's Proof of Transaction, or Darkcoin's Masternodes or TOR integration possible for additional layers of security? Would these be necessary or just superfluous bloat considering the already potentially strong security that Monero offers through ring signatures?

Masternodes are superfluous and indeed many have pointed out that they can't really be trusted. Cryptonote does mixing in an entirely different way that does not require a trusted third party, using ring signatures. 

As for the rest, it is certainly possible to create forks. That is part of what it means to be open source. What forks are useful or become popular only time will tell.
11990  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 12:59:32 PM
Did anybody  successful withdrew MRO from poloniex ?

I had been trying 3 times and each time I had been  waiting few hours and  received  error.

humm thats embarassing I just made a BTC deposit to buy MRO. But if problems withdrawing I might think twice about buying.. I have never used Poloniex, is it generally ok?

I had some trouble withdrawing BTC once. It was some kind of temporary glitch and it cleared itself, but meanwhile I had put in a support ticket. They did get back to me and seem to genuinely trying to be helpful. At this point I wouldn't be terribly worried, but certainly cautious.



11991  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin (CPU-mining, true anonymity) on: May 21, 2014, 09:45:05 AM
This is due to its price, which is causing an influx of people trying to become part of "The Next Bitcoin." Something 90 percent of the people here missed out on. If the coin was not on market as was the case 1 weeks ago, there would be no one interested. This is the cause of a 250 diff to multi-million

SFT I respect most of your posts even though we seldom agree, but here you've gone off the deep end. There was no 250 diff, that was testnet data on a pool web site.  The correct diff chart is here: http://monerochain.info/charts/difficulty

A week ago, when Monero not on an exchange (in fact not even any rumors of being on a major exchange soon -- poloniex was a surprise to all of us), the diff was 17 million, which is almost 3x the current BCN hash rate.
11992  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 09:37:48 AM
Even announcing such a plan could make Monero crash. It's too high a dependency in terms of investment.

FYP
11993  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin (CPU-mining, true anonymity) on: May 21, 2014, 08:54:14 AM
80% pre-mine BCN is destroyed, so total coins are only 20% of normal supply - it's true?

Where is the credible source of this information?

Notice the question mark at the end. Well-worn tabloid technique, and obvious attempt to pump this coin on its new exchange.





11994  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 04:52:23 AM
Just started mining this, liking it so far, my rigs gpus have been mining for a longtime and now my cpus can get in on the action. Not a single wasted computing cycle, because ain't nobody got time for that.

Good approach. CPU coins and GPU coins can be very complimentary.

When doing this it is usually best to reduce the priority on your CPU coin BTW (using nice or the Windows equivalent) and/or reduce threads by one or two.




Thank you for the tip. not really sure what i'm doing, pointed 7 cpus to extremepool.org using that easyminer program. all Fx-6300 cpus.. they arent beasts by any measure of the imagination but it's better than nothing. extremepool says my hash rate is 19.27 H/s is that any good?

I don't know. We need a volunteer to maintain a mining hardware comparison, but I don't think anyone has stepped up to do it yet.


We just need a public google doc like this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hTOUdJZrKqrNDXTIbXgNvJtj_fnpECREcs-eHxaGrZc/edit?pli=1#gid=256771159
being linked in the official website help

As long as it doesn't get vandalized, sure. 
11995  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 04:51:22 AM
Does each core from one CPU collaborate together on hashing or each core work on their own for solo mining?

Each thread/core works on its own. For example, it is fine to use multiple instances of simpleminer (a single threaded application), up to one for each hardware thread.
11996  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 04:04:43 AM
Just started mining this, liking it so far, my rigs gpus have been mining for a longtime and now my cpus can get in on the action. Not a single wasted computing cycle, because ain't nobody got time for that.

Good approach. CPU coins and GPU coins can be very complimentary.

When doing this it is usually best to reduce the priority on your CPU coin BTW (using nice or the Windows equivalent) and/or reduce threads by one or two.




Thank you for the tip. not really sure what i'm doing, pointed 7 cpus to extremepool.org using that easyminer program. all Fx-6300 cpus.. they arent beasts by any measure of the imagination but it's better than nothing. extremepool says my hash rate is 19.27 H/s is that any good?

I don't know. We need a volunteer to maintain a mining hardware comparison, but I don't think anyone has stepped up to do it yet.
11997  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 03:43:06 AM
Just started mining this, liking it so far, my rigs gpus have been mining for a longtime and now my cpus can get in on the action. Not a single wasted computing cycle, because ain't nobody got time for that.

Good approach. CPU coins and GPU coins can be very complimentary.

When doing this it is usually best to reduce the priority on your CPU coin BTW (using nice or the Windows equivalent) and/or reduce threads by one or two.

11998  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 03:08:09 AM
Personally I found it refreshing that Monero took off WITHOUT a logo or a gui wallet, it means the team wasn't hyping a slick marketing package and is concentrating on the coin/note itself.

^^^^^^^^^ Someone who finally gets it.

Thank you for getting it.
11999  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 03:03:51 AM
I honestly can't see anything unique from the team here.

You are a little too caught up in the mindset of altcoin marketing wars about "unique features" and "the team" behind the latest pump and dump scam.

In fact this coin is really little more than BCN without the premine. "The team" is anyone who contributes code, which includes anyone contributing code to the BCN repository, because that will get merged as well (and vice-versa).

Focus on the technology (by all accounts amazing) and the fact that it was launched in a clean way without 80% of the total world supply of the coin getting hidden away "somewhere." That is the unique proposition here. There also happens to be a very good team behind the coin, but anyone trying too hard to market on the basis of some "special" features, team, or developer is selling you something. Hold on to your wallet.


12000  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 21, 2014, 02:53:55 AM
@smooth

You have no idea how influential you have been to the success of this coin. You are a great ambassador for MRO and one of the reasons why I chose to mine MRO during the early days (and I still do, but alas no soup for about 5 days now).

Thank you for the kind words friend.
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