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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WARNING] Walton Chain (WTC) is a SCAM on: September 30, 2017, 11:05:40 PM
That's not very nice.

Am I ruining your scam?

It's a complete sham and I'm surprised that anyone has fallen for it!

You want to ramp the price, slowly skim and then disappear.

There is no evidence of work on this project whatsoever.

The website and promotional material are embarrassingly bad.

The team does not check out.

And there is not verified, tangible evidence that the "project" is supported by the Chinese Government or has any contracts with major businesses. Fake news does not count.

Easy to create a 300% rally when you control 70% of the tokens.
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WaltonChain WTC on: September 30, 2017, 10:56:18 PM
Walton Chain (WTC) is a scam peddled by fraudsters, newbies on here, that control 70% of the tokens.

It has no product, no github, just a bunch of actors pretending to be the team.

It hasn't won any competitions and it is not backed by the Chinese Government.

I challenge the team to publish any verified information, legal documents, that show it has the support of the Chinese Government and contracts with any legitimate businesses. And I am sorry, but fake news stories and dodgy websites do not count.

If supported by the Chinese Government and major corporations the project would be global mainstream news (BBC tech, Forbes, New York Post etc).

My advice, get out while the token still has value.
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WARNING] Walton Chain (WTC) is a SCAM on: September 30, 2017, 10:20:24 PM
Walton chain (WTC):

124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WARNING] Walton Chain (WTC) is a SCAM on: September 30, 2017, 10:18:05 PM
Hello (another newbie),

It's a poor attempt at fake news you dim wits.

125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Who is paying for Steemit? on: September 30, 2017, 09:18:13 PM
Similar to central banks:

Create a currency, give it a use, make people believe in it (value) and use it, prices increase (inflation), print more.

The world is one giant Ponzi scheme.

Steem has value because people believe it does and they use it.

Where does $ or £ get their value from, they are not backed by anything tangible. Belief system supported by data. Just like Steem.

People stop believing in and use Steem it will have little or no value. A bit like the currencies in Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The most Anonymous Crypto Coin??? on: September 30, 2017, 07:37:37 PM
Zcash is perhaps the most anonymous coin but this comes with a huge downside as well. Zcash supply is practically invisible and if someone ever manages to generate extra ZEC (Zcash) by exploiting a bug, like what happened to Bitcoin in 2010, nobody would be able to notice it. Meaning that this person could practically do this until he owns 99.9% of the total ZCash supply. This is extremely dangerous imo.

This is why I invested in Zcash' biggest competitor: Zcoin, based on the Zerocoin Protocol, an academic paper. XZC (Zcoin) has in my opinion the biggest future at this moment when it comes to anonymous transactions. It is really undervalued and I am sure that by the end of 2018, Zcoin's market cap will have increased 10 times.

Ditto.

Agree. And why I chose Zcoin.
127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to detect a scam ICO? on: September 30, 2017, 07:12:37 PM
1. Trust your instinct:
If something appears too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true.
If it doesn't feel right, it probably isn't right.

2. Never believe the hype, do your own research and do not rely on the opinions of others:
Most people have a vested interest of some description.
Either driven by investment, greed, bounties and site traffic.

3. Use real-world standards of due diligence:
If someone knocked on your door and said I have a great business plan, Bill Gates loves it, here's a photo of the highly qualified team and here's a bloke called Dave who thinks it's a great investment and this time next year we'll be millionaires - you wouldn't hand over a month's salary, would you!?

Specifically, things like:

(a) Support, partnerships and contracts with well-known brands:

If someone claims to have support, a partnership or contract with a well-known brand ask for verified proof: a contract, announcement from the brand or an article from a trusted news source.
Every time I have challenged these claims they turn out to be untrue or tenuous at best.

e.g. Hero Token claimed to have the support of Alibaba
It turns out that Pawn Hero, an already established business, received start-up funding from an investment arm of Alibaba. Alibaba was not funding or endorsing the Pawn Hero ICO.

(b)Can you verify the team:
Do they exist, are their credentials correct and are they really connected to the project?
For me, they need to be on LinkedIn (or similar), possibly media profile, linked to an institution, publication or other online profile and I need to have made contact / spoken to the team directly.
Wagerr is a good example of a team that is legitimate. The CEO checked out and engaged with me on day one. To be fair, so did the CEO of Pawn Hero.
Scam teams should be easy to spot.
I once emailed a highly qualified Chinese lawyer - he knew nothing about the project and was livid to see his photo on the ICO website.
CEOs of legitimate businesses engage with their shareholders.

4. Do the team give the impression that it can deliver?
What is the team's track-record?
Do they have a working product or any sign of progress?

5. Do the team provide regular updates and meet their milestones?
Credibility is really important.
Sometimes, particularly when a project is a first, things will slip. A good team will keep you posted and have a good reason for a delay.

6. Does the project look professional?
Does the ICO, website, white paper, engagement and communication give the impression of a team that can deliver?
We are talking about ground-breaking projects with the potential to change the world.
If they can't design a decent website or run a well though ICO...

7. Who controls the tokens and is the project centralised or decentralised?
If the team control the majority of token or the project is centralised the market can easier be manipulated - against investors and in favour of the team.

8. What is the team's attitude?
I only do business with people I like and can trust.
SALT threatened to boot me from their telegram because they had a rule that investors were not allowed to speculate about the post-ICO token price!
I'm not saying that SALT is a scam, but really! Needless to say, not a team for me.

9. Major rewards for the team should e held in escrow
If the team become millionaires overnight at ICO, where is the motivation to succeed?
A team should have their operating costs calculated pre-ICO and only need enough, initially, to make its milestone.
Additional rewards should be linked to success/completion of milestones.

10. Only trust reliable sources of information
Fake news is easy to create (and can look quite convincing) and some sources will literally publish anything.
Is this source reliable? Don't be afraid to contact the journalist or company.

11. How does the team respond to challenging but sensible questions?
A genuine team will engage and do their best to answer.
A scam team will avoid answering the question or most probably ban you from the forum.

12. When you find a good team and credible project, be patience
Good projects will take time to deliver.
Scams often want you to believe that you can get rich quick e.g. +550% in 4 weeks (with no working project of evidence of work). It's hype and will fail relatively quickly. That said, even if it is a scam, it is possible to make a few quid in the short-term. However, morally, I couldn't invest in a scam.
The best rewards will come to those who wait, most probably 2-5 years time.

Happy investing  Wink.
128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why isn't crypto going mainstream? on: September 30, 2017, 03:17:45 PM
has crypto solved any problem that cannot otherwise be solved?
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The most Anonymous Crypto Coin??? on: September 30, 2017, 02:35:20 PM
depends on why you're asking I guess: technically speaking or in terms of a good investment or both?
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is ICO regulation good or bad? on: September 30, 2017, 01:44:49 PM
I am a libertarian and generally against regulations.

However, there are far too many scams and teams promising things they cannot deliver.

The scams are detracting from the good projects and it takes investors, like me, far too long to wade through all the crap.

Those participating in bounties and bloggers should do due diligence on projects before they promote them. In my opinion, they have a duty to the community to do so.
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ICO's killing crypto on: September 30, 2017, 01:41:25 PM
ICOs are not killing crypto, scammers are. Fcuk'in vermin.
132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BOWHEAD HEALTH Project SCAMMED Bounty Hunters! on: September 30, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
escrow should be used for bounties
133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WARNING] Walton Chain (WTC) is a SCAM on: September 30, 2017, 01:31:21 PM
I feel bad for the competition committee that got scammed out of 5 million.  The 5x was sweet for me though

Hi (another) newbie,

Are you referring to the "competition" the project oppositely won?
And you're saying the team won 5 million?
If so, LMAO.
134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The most Anonymous Crypto Coin??? on: September 30, 2017, 01:25:53 PM
Zcoin
135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WARNING] Walton Chain (WTC) is a SCAM on: September 30, 2017, 10:58:37 AM
Fake news, utter nonsense.

You guys make me laugh. Trying really hard.

 Grin
136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [MCO] What Happened to Visa Deal? on: September 30, 2017, 08:55:30 AM
I would like to ask what happened to MONACO (MCO) Visa Deal?. Its September 26, 2017 already and yet we dont have any updates from them.

https://mona.co/company

The same as Paycoin, most are scam and hype so the creator can be instant millionaire. Paycoin scam hype was that Visa, Walmart and Amazon supporting or have contract with them, the scam usually rinsed and repeat itself in different form/idea. Paycoin now down to nothing.

I agree. There is too much trust in crypto world and most projects do not meet the bar in terms of real-world due diligence.

Some of these projects have no / limited product and ridiculous market caps. If the market cap is based on supposed deals with MasterCard, Walmart and Amazon investors should ask for real evidence - legally binding contracts from lawyers and press releases from the major companies themselves.

Bob on the team use to work for Visa, here is Bob at Visa HQ, here is an email from someone at Visa saying they like the idea, fake news and news stories from outlets that publish whatever they are given <<<< not of this reliable evidence. People have a tendency to believe the things they want to true. Also, bounties (people only interested in reward) and amateur bloggers (only interested in traffic) give these projects credit they do not deserve. Increase market cap also gives confidence.

I would not part this my hard earned cash unless I project met the same due diligence standards I'd expect from a mainstream business.
137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WARNING] Walton Chain (WTC) is a SCAM on: September 29, 2017, 09:23:57 PM
Further update:

Here is the whois information:

https://www.whois.com/whois/waltonchain.org

These registration details have been used in several scams e.g. hookwhois.org

A fake "your who is details have expired, click here to renew".

https://myonlinesecurity.co.uk/yet-another-whois-registration-scam/

Scroll down to the bottom of the page. Same details including the wonderful "No.999 Liang Mu Road Yuhang District" address.

And.... TankIn.net / sliver.me / jpsheath.org / .... all linked to scams.


Yet another example of crappy/biased so-called research by the infamous Mr Keihatsu!

Here are the facts:

Waltons domain name info

1. Registrar: HiChina Web solutions (Hichina Zhicheng Technology Ltd) - which just happens to be owned by Alibaba Cloud services.
2. Admin: Nexperian Holding Limited, Le Jia International No.999 Liang Mu Road Yuhang District. - Same generic address detail for many thousands of websites, including some scam websites, but that has NOTHING to do with Walton chain.

And your point is?

Sorry.. you do not have a point, just baseless FUD



For the record, Nexperian Holding Limited is a privacy service that hides the identities of domain owners, which is why it is associated with so many scams. Why would a genuine project take such steps?
138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WARNING] Walton Chain (WTC) is a SCAM on: September 29, 2017, 07:22:37 PM
http://tech.china.com/article/20170713/2017071340273.html

Look at the scam guys
So elaborate wow who are these masters of trickery

http://tech.china.com/article/20170703/2017070337823.html

wow such scam

http://tech.china.com/article/20170712/2017071239958.html

wow fake news

http://tech.china.com/article/20170629/2017062936839.html

wow i bet they took this on the same day as all the other ones op you're right they just took a bus trip to all the locations and then used an insider to fool china.com into thinking they're legit holy fk wow you might be onto something wow

These stories are not on www.china.com
I understand how fake news works. You are making it look like china.com but it isn't.

139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WARNING] Walton Chain (WTC) is a SCAM on: September 29, 2017, 06:35:18 PM
Thank you for your post. I feel terribly sorry for the investors if your claims prove to be correct.

Thanks.

To give them some credit, they have created a market for something that doesn't exist and will not exist.

If they are smart, they will keep up the facade as long as possible and gradually sell their tokens to maintain the market and confidence.

Given they control at least 70% of the tokens and the 24hr volume is circa $27million (which could include manipulation, such as buying their own tokens) they can probably skim a significant amount of money without much notice. Trying to sell to many tokens will collapse the market. I have seen this before with other scams like Unity Ingot. As long as people continue to believe in the project and buy the tokens, even if the market is stagnant or in slow decline, they'll keep skimming. I suspect it will continue for a while and eventually come to a slow and painful end with no product. And, like Unity Ignot, slowly disappear.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/unity-ingot/
https://unityingot.com/ < relaunch is meant to be happening tomorrow, lol.

140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WARNING] Walton Chain (WTC) is a SCAM on: September 29, 2017, 06:04:48 PM

Those are not genuine, reliable sources.

Some sites will publish anything. And there is such a thing as fake news.
You mean like everything you say?

look at http://tech.china.com/article/20170823/2017082352011.html
vs. www.china.com

fake news my friend.
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