Here are mine (Screenshot):

Torino – Sassuolo 2
Levante - Athletic Bilbao 1
FC Bordeaux – Metz 2
Eibar – Huesca 2
VfB Stuttgart - FC Schalke 04 2
West Bromwich Albion - Brighton & Hove Albion 2
Bologna – Lazio 2
Leeds United - Aston Villa 1
Newcastle United - Wolverhampton Wanderers 2
Crystal Palace – Fulham 1
Union Berlin - TSG 1899 Hoffenheim 2
1. FSV Mainz 05 – Augsburg 1
Chelsea - Manchester United 2
Granada - Elche 1
AS Roma - Draw - AC Milan 2

Going with the legendary no-draw strategy for the last try in MM. And loads of away wins

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For sure I will work something out, to express our old friend MM, our thread and all the users due respect


We never got information about number of participants, but I think they do not make any profit with MM. It would need 1500 participants (3000 before reduction) to go breakeven. I doubt they have that number. Still it's a promo and these don't always need to generate profits, but if they don't work out in the bigger picture, i.e. getting more people to play longterm, then it makes sense to abandon it from a business point of view.

This game is running completely serverless and decentralized on the blockchain and it's quite complicated With a customized blockchain made for gaming like Xaya has, this is doable and was already proven back in 2014 with Huntercoin by the same guys.


They do, yes. Thats why technically they are no blockchain games, but just games with blockchain elements implemented and using buzz words. The devs are still able to do all sorts of shady stuff and dilute your assets.


Xaya is exactly doing this and they are the only ones afaik. They have one game in beta now (Taurion is between alpha and beta rn) and everyone is free to check it out and play: https://soccermanagerelite.com/. Like all games they build, SME is trustless, permissionless, censorship resistant, transparent, provably fair, autonomous, unstoppable etc. And play-to-earn of course

First of all I would distinguish between the different bookie types, i.e. fiat, crypto, hybrid. The more "unregulated" you go, the more likely you are to run into (unjustified) trouble. Why ? Because KYC is the key. If you have nothing to hide and play fair, you will never have any problems in your traditional fiat bookie, because they will KYC you no matter what and after that is completed, they really don't have any strong arguments no more. Same with traditional fiat bookies that added crypto deposit/withdrawal option in the last years. The good bookies will KYC you shortly after registration, I would even recommend to do KYC voluntarily after opening an account.

The crypto books and hybrid books (you deposit crypto, but bet with fiat) don't have a mandatory KYC and that is where all these problems stem from. It's very easy to make multiple accounts and there is a good possibility you don't get caught. This is very attractive for certain people, with a good risk-reward ratio - there is generally more suspicion involved for all accounts/users because of this.

Now the crypto/hybrid books could just say, ok lets make KYC mandatory and we are good. But this doesn't work since it's a) against what crypto stands for and b) they would erase their only USP and lose market shares or not even get them in first place.

There are loads of abusers, cheaters and whatever in this space, so bookies and their fraud departments have no easy job tbh. I believe 90% of scam accusations against somewhat established books are actually just hot air from sore losers or people who were caught abusing and seek for some revenge. The problem is really the other 10%, who suffer under this, get bullied around and have no lobby/help/protection - sometimes even having trouble to get their fairly won money after having completed KYC.

Another issue is that some crypto bookies are really poorly run and there are smart/experienced people taking advantage of this. I started a discussion about something similar last year (The Art of Exploiting vs the Bad Habit of Scamming), where there were very different opinions about whether bookies should just take certain things on the chin and move on. But in the end you often have a user, who thinks he has done nothing wrong (just being smart), while the bookies don't want to take responsibility for their mistake. Who wins ? The bookie; leading to scam accusations, KYC, IP checks and what else. Who is right ? I don't know.

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This is the common practice, but a lot of it is goodwill, to prevent any negative talks and keep a good image. It depends on how severe the violation was, but I personally would be fine, if I didn't get my initial deposit back, if I was willingly and knowingly trying to cheat/abuse a bookie.


This is fine, but everything more than 1x rollover is not acceptable imo.


Not sure about this. I personally like, when I tell the bookie how much value in fiat I want to deposit and they then tell me: "Send X.XXXX BTC to this BTC address". Then I will get exactly the fiat value I wanted to deposit.
When I just send crypto to a bookie and let them convert it to fiat afterwards, I have to live with things not being 100% exact. But this shouldn't be a one-way street, where the bookies only ever convert to their advantage (which is hard to track in the end....).


The bolded part is very important and here I blame the bookies for playing unfair. You lose, lose, lose and never get KYCed, you get a bit more lucky and make a small withdrawal, still no KYC. You get very lucky at some point and want to make a bigger withdrawal, suddenly there is KYC and the bullying starts.

I heard stories of users not getting paid, because they were geo-restricted and thus not allowed to play on that site. Their winnings were nullified and deposit was returned. Never ever did I hear about it the other way round, where a user got his lost money back, because he wasn't allowed to play there. They use double standards to their advantage.

Same with other TOS violations. As long as you lose your money, you can violate the TOS at will. You bring them money, so TOS don't matter, until they suddenly matter mysteriously.


Yep, thats their most powerful tool. A completed KYC doesn't guarantee you your money though, there are other tools


I still think it's a good thing that people can come here and talk directly to bookies representatives; maybe getting support from other members and having kind of objective investigations. It's really hard to fight against unjustified accusations alone and there are few places (if any), where you get help and support.
Bookies are really sitting tight on their money, despite earning good amounts of it. And this is not only meant in a bad way, because your funds are safer in these places with a good risk & fraud department

It would be a huge coincidence, if the mods always delete a good amount of his posts week after week And while they are surely shitposts, they are not the worst shitposts I have ever read, so no reason for the mods to be super strict just with this user.

Tbh I find this super cheeky, even worse than the worst shitposting ever to get paid some bucks from a signature campaign. Because some shitposters might not be bad people afterall or trying to earn easy money with minimalistic efforts - maybe they can't do any better for various reasons and are just looking to support their family/kids with it. But what SmokerFace does, is just plain cheating imo.


Thanks, I wasn't aware of this thread and looks like this is no cutting edge technique no more in here^^

I read this post today and thought, hmm, I already read this post once in this thread, so was thinking about plagiarism:


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But it's not plagiarism. What this user actually does is to delete his old posts in a thread and then reposting them some days later to get paid again for them. Basically the same post was made on February 10th already, but was deleted (by him (?)):


See: View all unedited (or deleted) posts in How to adjust and work with the bet365 live streaming

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I checked the post history of this user and just today he made 15 posts in 6:46 minutes, amazing

I randomly checked another post and here is what I got:

This post he made as well today:


archived

Posted already on Dec 26th: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5593/55934821.html
Deleted and reposted on Feb 10th: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5631/56313484.html
Deleted and reposted on Feb 17th: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5636/56368162.html
And then today reposted again, after deleting the post from Feb 17th.

Good work @vennali

Since Fairlay made the list, you should consider adding Exbet as well: Exbet is LIVE >> The Bitcoin Betting Exchange [exbet.io]. They don't have lots of fancy things going on for the casual gambler, but are on a good way with their betting exchange.

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Thats a problem with these lists. Unless they are pinned to the top and/or regularly updated - which is kind of hard, because new bookies don't pop up on a daily basis - they will sooner or later vanish from the first few pages of gambling board.

Weekend update, things are shaping up a bit:

Ireland has announced their song name "Maps", but not the song itself yet.

Norway is traditionally doing very good in ESC and they will send TIX with the song Fallen Angel: TIX - Fallen Angel - Norway 🇳🇴 - National Final Performance - Eurovision 2021. The performance looks all in all in a bit weird, but should suit what the audience/viewers like to see in ESC. The song is ok, a bit lame maybe and Norway is around@ 40 to win ESC.

Czech Republic is trying their luck with Benny Cristo and a song called Omaga: Benny Cristo - omaga - Czech Republic 🇨🇿 - Official Music Video - Eurovision 2021. This is some hot garbage imo, even the video Odds are ~@500 for winning, I doubt they will make the final, since they are traditionally not very good in ESC.

Finland has a very unique/unusual entry with Blind Channel and the Dark Side: Blind Channel - Dark Side (Live) // UMK21. Reminds a bit of Lordy with the style and I loved Lordy and also think this song has some potential to finish high. Odds dropped quite a lot and Finland is among the favourites for now with @17.

Spain has revealed their song Voy a quedarme: Blas Cantó - "Voy a quedarme" (Destino Eurovisión) 🇪🇸 SPAIN 2021. If you have a non-english song, it has to be very good to make some noise and I don't see it here. That guy has a very annoying voice for me somehow

UK will send James Newman, but the song will only be announced in March.

The results for week 7:



Good finish by a lot of guys today and Inagame and GbitG win our forum competition. 10 correct picks is a pretty solid result, but the overall winners will have 12 I guess.

The 2021 stats:



Inagame and GbitG get 50 fame points each, congratulations While for GbitG this is the first win, Inagame won in week 4 already and that makes him the new leader (if the tie-breaker is total wins) and only user winning twice this year.
rdbase was in danger of setting a new personal negative score, but ManU saved him - his average fell below 6 though.

See you next week

The results after 10/15 matches played:



mitchr4, Inagame, GbitG and me lead the pack, but looks like there are just some fame points to grab this week. rdbase with a nightmare of a MM, but we are all not doing very well tbh looking at the average. Looking at the SB leaderboard, we can all enjoy a relaxed Sunday without nail biting at least

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Not sure, if you meant the results in general in football today or the MM results, because I actually don't think there were that many upsets and the two leaders now must have picked the favs mainly.

Wolves/Fulham/Betis/Valencia/Dortmund/Stuttgart were fav, not all huge favs, but makes it 6 already.
Gladbach lost being big fav and Elche won as home dog ~@4.
And then you have those two X's between two poor teams each, where in FRA1 you often have low-scoring games (X more likely) and Burnley/WBA scoring less than 1 goal on average.

So as so often, it looks easy afterwards, but hard to get it right. And SB is selecting way more close games nowadays than in the past, where really no one can tell how this will end - not even the players themselves, so how should we know That is also the reason, why I think that the 1.5BTC will not be won in the foreseeable future.

Da hier Namecoin erwähnt wurde, schmeisse ich mal Huntercoin in die Runde, welches das erste dezentralisierte Blockchainspiel Anfang 2014 war, welches komplett on-chain lief, und ein Fork von Namecoin (devs). Urpsrünglich als Hobby-Projekt auf ein Jahr ausgelegt, läuft es (logischerweise) noch heute, wurde aber von Bots übernommen, was zu erwarten war. HUC wurde 2019 von Poloniex delisted und ist seitdem nicht mehr offiziell handelbar. Trotzdem kommen immer noch Leute im Discord vorbei und fragen nach Huntercoin - einige versuchen sich sogar noch an dem Spiel, nachdem sie P2P ein paar HUC gekauft haben und nodes zum Syncen des Wallets erfragt haben.

Pre-mine war minimal (~0,2%) für development und das meiste ist durch den viel zu frühen Tod von Mikhail Sindeyev eh verloren gegangen. Das Spiel verfolgte das "Human Mining" Konzept, d.h. man konnte Coins auf der Map erspielen:


Huntercoin ANN
Huntercoin legacy
HUC auf Coinmarketcrap

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Daniel Kraft (Huntercoin, Xaya, Divi) ist heute immer noch bei Namecoin als "Chief Scientist". Und im Gegensatz zu vielen anderen Coins, war NMC nie als Investment konzeptiert, sondern sollte einfach Funktionalität bieten. Lustigerweise befinden sich auf der Teampage von Namecoin auch theymos und Satoshi himself als "pre-genesis contributors".

Auch wenn es um Namecoin sehr ruhig geworden ist, so bedienen sich auch heutige Hype-Projekte gerne der Technologie:


Quelle: Xaya Discord/snailbrain

Well, they are a bit different to access than your normal bookie nowadays, i.e. the only possibility for the majority of gamblers is via an agent. You can then either make a single account with these bookies, or use some tool the agent provides. Here is some information about it, if you are interested (I am not getting anything for this): https://betinasia.com/black/

This is all fiat-based, though you can deposit with crypto. And KYC is needed at the agent, so it has its disadvantages as well.

Dafabet is an asian bookie, which you can access without an agent: https://www.dafabet.com/en

All in all, this is really for the more advanced and/or high-staking bettors; for most casual/recreational ones, it's probably not worth the effort and the sometimes inconvenience of having a middle-man. And by inconvenience I don't mean your money not being safe, but rather that everything is done via the agent (deposits/withdrawals/communication in case of dispute etc.) - can be weary.

Here are my picks:

Wolverhampton Wanderers FC - Leeds United 1
Real Betis Balompie - Getafe FC 1
AS Saint-Etienne - Stade Reims X
Elche CF - SD Eibar 2
Borussia Monchengladbach - FSV Mainz 2
FC Cologne - VfB Stuttgart 2
Burnley FC - West Bromwich Albion 1
Schalke 04 - Borussia Dortmund 1
Valencia CF - RC Celta de Vigo 1
Fulham FC - Sheffield United FC 2
AC Milan - Inter Milano 2
Aston Villa FC - Leicester City FC 2
Real Sociedad - Deportivo Alaves 2
Atalanta BC - SSC Napoli X
Manchester United FC - Newcastle 1

All I want for this MM is to get both Friday picks correct, because this something that is really annoying me I can go 0-13 afterwards, no problem.

Screenshot (some things are a little cut off, but anyway).

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And here are the picks full of hopes for every participant:



Welcome to the MM family @igehhh

Public table

We had no full consensus picks before I made my picks and I was so brave to fill three uncovered results (Mainz, Schalke, Alaves) and so only the draw in Manchester remains as uncovered, which I didn't like to cover too (watch out for a draw in that one, 0-0 maybe^^). ManU is the pick with the most consensus, followed by Gladbach, Betis, Dortmund and Real Sociedad. Recently a lot of users like to pick more X's and we have a relatively whopping 24% again - away wins have just a bit more with 25%.

I found nearly all these games super hard to predict, but wishing everybody good luck as always, someone has to win it

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Nice thread (we need more of those in here), I always like to follow these things. Not a fan of Martingale, but people are always tempted to try it, because what can go wrong ? You just need stamina, infinite money and nerves of steel I would think it works in (football) betting, but only if you start with very low stakes, very low. But then again you will win very low amounts as well and that is turning off people then again. You always want the big money, eh ? And it has to be safe of course.


I wouldn't worry with that. Since there is no working betting system (other than value), every bookie will happily allow you to play any system you wish on their site. And you shouldn't only use one or two bookmakers for such system anyway. Then you will also not run into the following issue:


First of all, you should always shop for the best odds, having accounts/money in a lot of sites. This is especially important, if you are on a losing streak and your stakes must get higher and higher to compensate earlier losses - a 3.00 or 3.10 makes a huge difference here already. This will always lead you to the big (asian) bookies sooner or later, because they have the best odds and they also have the highest limits. With some agents tools (like Mollybet), you can place big bets with one click in multiple asian books. If that still isn't enough, you can go to Tier2 bookies and continue placing there with lower limits/lower odds.

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I would probably track some more teams/leagues and don't jump in right away, but let them go on a streak of not drawing at home or winning away and then start the Martingale. Could save you some money or not let your stakes get very high too soon. But not sure

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4 goals

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The results for week 6:



Our swarm intelligence failed badly this week, there were 3 results which no one had and lots of high consensus picks went down the drain - 5.80 average. The SB overall leaderboard is not correct imo, maybe it will be enough for ralle14 and mitchr4 to share the 150mBTC with some other users. But my guess would be, that there is exactly one user with 10 correct picks, we have seen it before

The stats for 2021:



ralle14 and mitchr4 can cheer about 50 fame points each and moving up the rankings. arallmuus, despite co-leading this table, has the worst average and was even hitting an all-time worst in the other table with only 3 correct picks this weekend. Inagame and leea-1334 also with new worst performances in the all-time stats hitting 3 and 4 this weekend respectively. Lots of other users landed just on their previously all-time worst performance (buwaytress, Indymoney, rdbase).

So a record-breaking weekend, but not in the direction we want

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Here is some special with the participations of all users all-time:



See you next week

Thanks, added her to the list. The song is really crap imo and even the performance was nothing special (to not say boring); sometimes you wonder how crappy the other entries in the national selections must have been The odds for Croatia have gone up accordingly.

North Macedonia and Moldova have revealed the name of their songs now, but I wasn't successful in actually finding them on Youtube, so I guess just the name was released. Which leads me to the question, where the point is in just releasing the name of a song. These artists are not some superstars, where the world is waiting impatiently for just the name of their song

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Some bookies now have odds and it feels like these are influenced a lot by last years odds with some artists coming back after 2020 edition was cancelled:


Source: https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/tv-specials/international/eurovision-song-contest/2021-eurovision-song-contest/232206849/all-markets

Here you can find a screenshot of the odds in March last year. France is new among the favourites for now, the rest is more or less the same.

At this point you can really find super valuable odds, if you follow the national selections a bit, which is not always easy to do. But you can also be dead wrong, thats the risky part

8/15 games played and we have very mixed results:



@ralle14 is leading the pack and if the two leaders didn't have the draw in Brighton, he is among the leaders in the overall list as well. mitchr4, notblox1, efialtis and Ulven are in ok-ish shape as well and everyone has unique remaining picks. leea-1334 has some upsets picked for tomorrow and with 3 correct until now, there are slim hopes left.
There are 5 users, me included, who only have 1 pick correct so far, really bad

See all the red ? Thats why bookies are rich

Good luck for tomorrows games for those who are still in contention.

Some highly decorated MM warriors are still missing, but here is what I have collected so far (public table):



Welcome to the MM family @slaman29 and @Ulven

Lots of draws were picked for this one and we have the rare occasion of no full consensus pick at all. Bologna, Celta de Vigo, Roma, Real Madrid come very close though with only one user each having another idea of the outcome. The draw in Bologna and 5 away wins are uncovered; I personally think Fiorentina and Betis could spoil the party

Good luck, may the MM gods be with you

@dittoup
I wanted to tell you for a long time, that you always stay at the far right in the table, because it's easier to add columns that way for me. It's nothing personal against you, while the rest gets added in chronological order^^


It's fine like that

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I edited my picks into this post and here is the Screenshot.