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You know that Donations is a different thing from a Loan or you lost it in translation?
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No, without collateral it's the same thing. Loan, donation, call it whatever you like but whoever loan to the OP won't see a penny back so there is not much difference, is it? P.s. @OP: Thanks for the laugh. A savings loan is a loan put in a savings account that builds interest over time.
Could you also explain what a scamer is? (hint - easy answer: You) |
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posting here and lending $3 worth w/o collateral isn't a wise idea specially when you are still a newbie. you risked you reputation by doing that. you are lucky someone helped you out. wouldn't it be better to get that $3 out of you own wallet? or get it from relatives/friends?
While its nice to help people, I would usually not suggest doing it when someone new asking for a loan with no collateral because then more people will expect the same or maybe think its free money (especially since OP claimed to only need it for a hour or so but it been about a day since he received it). 1. It's only been about half a day. 2. If the money doesn't return, that's not really an issue for me. 3. $3 here and there isn't bad to get a my bi-annual newbie test. 4. There is not reason for either of you two to weigh in here. 5. If you go to all the effort of sending screenshots of transactions you have done to someone via pm and post here quite a few times to scam someone out of $3 then you must be really desperate and poor so the money has gone to do some good. You are right with most of your points but the truth is that not everyone plans to scam from the begining. This ideea usually occurs after someone obtained the funds and has no incentive to pay back. Also, in most cases, the money that he received didn't do any good in the long run, because the person saw that it's possible to get money and never pay back and start pursuing this road. In the end will not end well. Thanks for that piece of useless logic also. There's not much point in any of you three posting here however. The fact that these requests don't come up so often is one of the reasons I may find them along with "evidence" op sent via PM. I'd hope someone's conscience should force them to repay but apparently I'm judging people poorly. If you want to reply to this DO SO VIA PM. It may be useless in your opinion but it may help others with far less experience. I can see that you know exactly what you are doing and you have calculated the risk so the point of my posting was not targeted at you, but, as I said, to others less experienced in lending. It seems that you felt offended somehow by my post and overreacted, but, by all means I didn't told you what to do or not to do. I just explained the mentality and behavior in a specific scam case (don't missunderstand and think that I'm refering to this case exactly, I'm reffering to this exact situation where a scam may occur). You have the right of your own opinion, but if by my posting I help at least one person to avoid beying scamed, then I don't see it as useless nor as with "not much point". Also, I have no reason to reply to this VIA PM, because I don't want to start a debate about this. You are entitled to your oponion and I am entitled to mine. In no way I want to convince you to agree with me, but there is no need to use words like "useless" and "not much point". |
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posting here and lending $3 worth w/o collateral isn't a wise idea specially when you are still a newbie. you risked you reputation by doing that. you are lucky someone helped you out. wouldn't it be better to get that $3 out of you own wallet? or get it from relatives/friends?
While its nice to help people, I would usually not suggest doing it when someone new asking for a loan with no collateral because then more people will expect the same or maybe think its free money (especially since OP claimed to only need it for a hour or so but it been about a day since he received it). 1. It's only been about half a day. 2. If the money doesn't return, that's not really an issue for me. 3. $3 here and there isn't bad to get a my bi-annual newbie test. 4. There is not reason for either of you two to weigh in here. 5. If you go to all the effort of sending screenshots of transactions you have done to someone via pm and post here quite a few times to scam someone out of $3 then you must be really desperate and poor so the money has gone to do some good. You are right with most of your points but the truth is that not everyone plans to scam from the begining. This ideea usually occurs after someone obtained the funds and has no incentive to pay back. Also, in most cases, the money that he received didn't do any good in the long run, because the person saw that it's possible to get money and never pay back and start pursuing this road. In the end will not end well. |
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NO TIME WASTERS AND SCAMMERS PLEASE
Said the scammer! On this forum there is no "SHIPPING WILL BE PROCESSED UPON CONFIRMATION OF PAYMENT"... Don't deal with this user if he refuses escrow, you will loose your money! |
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How does loan collateral work? Let's say I need 1000$ but I have 10,000$ to offer as collateral. Why can't I just use the 10k and not take a 1k loan if I need 1k?
To have a better understanding of the collateral just think of some a real life examples: 1. You go to a pawn shop and borrow some money and the collateral can be a jewelry (that you don't want to sell). 2. You go to the bank and borrow some money and the collateral can be you house (that you don't want to sell it either). Here, it's the same thing only that the accepted collateral it's ussually digital goods that the lender can sell to recoup his loss in case of default (most common are stable alt coins). In extreme rare cases are physical goods accepted. I hope this clarify for you how loan collateral work. Regards. |
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Hey guys
As title states, 7.5 ETH required for an investment I will put up 130% worth of Zebi tokens as collateral, should the value drop I’ll top it up. Zebi is to be held by the escrow, we’ll use a reputable one from this site, you will pay the tx few & I will cover the escrow.
Once your have your funds, you'll have no obligation to "top it up". :/ No he doesn't, but this means that he will forfeit the collateral in the event that the value of the collateral drops bellow a certain safety procent. If the agreed safety percent value of the collateral between him and the lender is for example set at 110% and he doesn't top it up to raise the value to 130%, then the lender will sell his tokens. |
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Where do you ship from and who covers the shipping costs?
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All the time I hear: "He is lying! He doesn't have... (etc)"
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Then it seems that the problem lies with you and not with everybody else. Your code it's not valid collateral. A valid collateral is something that you will want back at the end of the loan period. You are offering a copy of some code and there is no incentive for you to repay the loan because you do in fact have the code yourself. I hope this clarify things for you and you should lock your thread. |
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Ca idee, daca vorbim despre ETH, nu te'as sfatui sa investesti intr'un rig. Asta deoarece imediat apar ASIC'urile pentru minat etherum (16-31 iulie). Nu dau linkuri, dar producatorul este Antminer, poti intra la ei pe site sa vezi depre ce este vorba.
Daca totusi vrei sa iti construiesti un rig, atunci cu siguranta vei gasi alte monezi pe care sa le minezi. Poti iesi pe profit sau in pierdere, nu poate sa iti spuna nimeni cu siguranta. Cert este faptul ca nu te vei imbogati, s'au dus de mult timpurile alea. Acum singurii care mai scot un profit consistent din minat sunt marile ferme care dupa cum spunea un coleg mai sus au contracte preferentiale pentru energie electrica si preturi preferentiale direct de la producator pentru echipamente.
Si ca un sfat universal valabil, nu investi mai mult decat iti poti permite sa pierzi.
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As for the tokens, you need something that can be liquidated at the end of the duration of the loan, during is irrelivant as it will only be liquidated upon default.
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You are wrong again. The collateral must be easily liquidate for the whole period of the loan and not only at the end. If the value of your collateral falls bellow 105% and you don't add more tokens to it, than the lender is forced to sell the collateral in order to recoup his losses. If the collateral can't be liquidated at any time, than this is a major risk for the lender. Indeed it is your right to offer some terms and the lenders are free to lend you or not, but it would be much more easier for you to get a loan here if you would stop inventing rules and just listen to user that have a vast experience in the lending section (eg: condoras). Good luck with your loan. |
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1st of all, im not come here to open fire and i just feel curious... I really not understanding n just want to ask that did u guys really read on what ppl saying?
1) he got mention that he already ask from ppl around including relatives all but still not enough.. so he just try on all the way that he can..
2) I was wondering that why you guys acting like that? For me, he just request for a help. If want, just go and help him. If cant, either is give some advise or ignore it after u read.
3) We all was in the same earth.. and also we all are human. Why dont we just respect each others? Maybe he is not those scammer or cheater and really need help from ppl at here? And he dont know the rules at here.. Why must step again on ppl face when you guys dont want to help? Some more now his dad already pass away
4) last is optimus, i feel sorry for your dad case... but remember 1 thing is no matter how hard your situation is... dont ever go ask from the ppl that you dont know... no ppl will trust on what you said and will take it as a monkey show even what you said is true. They dont have the rights to must help you. As i know that the medical fees can be negociate with hospital for paying installment monthly. So take this as a lesson in your life. After this take a good care on your family..May your dad rest in peace.
Bye and take care
Thanks you! Wrong account! How many more alts do you have Optimus0730 = CougarTan = aztvn123 ? |
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Cu camatarii era sub forma de gluma. Nu cunosc dar din auzite nu are ce sa iasa bun din asta, deci este un mare NU.
Daca nu poti pune cava gaj (collateral) atunci nu prea ai sanse sa obtii un imprumut online. Motivul este foarte clar: tu ai imprumuta bani unui necunoscut de pe internet fara nici o garantie ca poti sa'i recuperezi? Daca raspunsul este nu (si ar trebui sa fie nu) atunci altcineva de ce ar face'o? Daca totusi cineva a vrut sa faca din asta un business, atunci sigur pana acum a dat faliment pentru ca nimeni nu va plati.
Despre imprumuturi pe baza extrasului de cont inca nu am auzit, dar nu spun ca nu exista.. tot ce'i posibil.
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Optimus0730 aka CougarTan, you are not so bright are you?
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Sansele sa poti obtine un imprumut fara dovada unui venit sunt minime, chiar tind spre zero. Asta in cazul in care vorbim de o varianta legala. Felul cum expui tu problema ca "lucrezi online" de fapt in traducere libera inseamna ca lucrezi la negru. Nu are importanta unde si in ce fel lucrezi (pe santier, online, munca fizica, consultanta, drepturi de autor, etc etc...) atat timp cat declari veniturile si esti legal. Chiar lucrand online poti sa iti faci PFA, dar va trebui sa platesti taxe, si asta este partea care cred ca nu iti convine. In cazul in care ai PFA atunci poti face dovada unui venit si poti obtine imprumuturi de la banci. Ca o alternativa, poti apela la sectiune de imprumuturi de pe forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=65.0. Aici nu te intreaba nimeni nimic de venit sau ce vrei sa faci cu banii si obtii imprumutul chiar si pe loc. Singurul lucru care conteaza este gajul pe care il pui (collateral). Acesta garanteaza ca iti vei plati datoria. Daca doresti sa apelezi la varianta asta, te sfatuiesc sa ai un gaj valid (gasesti acolo ce inseamna "valid collateral") altfel contul tau va fi marcat ca si scammer. Oricand mai ai optiunea sa de tuci la camatari si in cazul in care nu returnezi imprumutul ai varianta de a plati in maini si picioare rupte. In concluzie, daca nu ai nimic din cele enumerate mai sus, mai mult ca sigur nu o sa obtii un imprumut nici online nici offline. |
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Collateral damage is when you don't take part in something in any way, shape or form and you end up taking damage. As I see it, this is not the case here at all.
Well, what would you call it when the victim of a crime (thus technically involved) gets put through the wringer in an ensuing investigation? I'm a long time user of this forum and I see Lauda defending aTriz, no matter what, but in this case, there is little to defend here and the only one that could do this is aTriz.
If you think that aTriz did something wrong, please go question him in the aTriz accusation thread. Anyway, if you could give the benefit of the doubt to aTriz for vouching for the script then the same applies to alia for trying to sell it.
There are two situation: or you believe that they were both sincere and they truly thought that the script was working and making a profit, or you don't. They are both in the same boat.
One of several huge differences: When informed by maths-savvy folks that the script is impossible, aTriz backed away from the script as if from a poisoned goblet—whereas “alia” got into a days-long flamewar/temper tantrum wherein she shrieked that “stupid equations” and “mathematical jumbo jumbo” don’t apply to her precious script. Then finally admitted that it doesn’t work. Now, is back to claiming that it works—and it’s worth 50 BTC! 1. Let's be honest here, to state that aTriz is the victim of a crime it means to think that all users of this forum are sheeps. Let's stick to the facts and disregard the wording conotation: - aTriz accepted the script from alia - aTriz tested the script - aTriz vouched for the script So, are there any other facts that make him the "victim of a crime"? 2. I didn't stated that aTriz did something wrong or he didn't, but why didn't Lauda get the same treatement from you (to go in the aTriz accusation thread) when she brought up the subject? All I did, it was to quote him/her from this thread. 3. If aTriz have no experience with gambling and scripting and odds and math, shouldn't he have asked the maths-savvy folks before vouching for the script? Isn't this trust means, that you can trust the person will make an educated statement? Anyway, this are just normal questions, but I can see that this is a sensitive subject for some of you and react aggressive. |
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 Astept si minarea cu un bat de chibrit. Oricum astia macar au recunoscut ca simuleaza minarea (ca altfel de mult se stie ca este un non-sens tehnologic minarea cu mobilul) Partea amuzanta este ca "aplicatia" poate sa faca rau cu carul. Poate scotoceste dupa portofele crypto, poate fura parole de mail, etc. (uite o metoda desteapta cu care se depaseste si 2fa-ul) Evident eu sunt Toma Necredinciosul. Da, exact doar aceasta aplicatia poate face acest lucru, altele nu. O aplicatie a unei companii cu sediu in UK care a strans 40 milioane USD din ICO si a carei echipa este publica si cu reputatie. Este cea mai probabila aplicatie sa fure date. Sunt sigur ca efortul pe care il investesc in a semna contracte cu companiile mari de telecom, in a participa la World Mobile Congress si in a-si dezvolta fork-ul, e doar pentru a masca intentia adevarata de a fura datele utilizatoriilor. Aplicatii care fura datele utilizatorilor sunt si a companiilor de 40000 milioane USD. Nu spune nimeni ca asta este scopul final, dar de ce nu ar face'o. O fac google, mycrosoft, facebook, etc... doar nu strica o baza de date acolo. Nu spun ca fura sau nu fura datele, dar sa crezi ca pentru ca au un sediu in UK nu vor face asa ceva, e pura naivitate, cel putin spus. |
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Which begs the question, what was user aTriz's role in this scam?
Collateral damage. Stop being butthurt and then going on vengeance runs via shills. This doesn't look good at all. Collateral damage is when you don't take part in something in any way, shape or form and you end up taking damage. As I see it, this is not the case here at all. I'm a long time user of this forum and I see Lauda defending aTriz, no matter what, but in this case, there is little to defend here and the only one that could do this is aTriz. -- edit -- Anyway, if you could give the benefit of the doubt to aTriz for vouching for the script then the same applies to alia for trying to sell it. There are two situation: or you believe that they were both sincere and they truly thought that the script was working and making a profit, or you don't. They are both in the same boat. |
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Sa minezi cu telefonul mobil este ca si cum ai incerca sa golesti marea cu lingurita. Oricum, ca si experienta nu strica niciodata.. asta pe termen lung. Mai rau decat sa strici telefonul (sau sa'i scurtezi peroada de viata considerabil) si eventual sa ti se fure cateva parole de acces, eventual la contul bancar, nu are ce sa se intample  Success. |
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