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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: PANDORA.gives - 1098% per year or 3% every day, decide for yourself on: September 15, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
Think This doesnt belong in the gambling section. As the description shows This clearly is another hyip as all others.
Another probably scamming 3% a day project as so Many others.

Checked the site. I even cant Find how profits are generated. Maybe you must tell instantly that payments come from fresh incoming investors funds 😁


All right, payments are made at the expense of new revenues. The sooner you go into the project, the more you get eth Grin

follow the contract, it develops and increases.

the main thing is that no one can go into it and remove the entire balance!

true, but it still is and stays a ponzi sheme. If no fresh money from investors comes in there will be nothing left to distribute
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: PANDORA.gives - 1098% per year or 3% every day, decide for yourself on: September 15, 2018, 07:31:08 AM
Think This doesnt belong in the gambling section. As the description shows This clearly is another hyip as all others.
Another probably scamming 3% a day project as so Many others.

Checked the site. I even cant Find how profits are generated. Maybe you must tell instantly that payments come from fresh incoming investors funds 😁
123  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Looking for site with good soccer prediction for free! on: September 09, 2018, 04:31:15 PM
There are many sites giving tips are predictions but still this isn't a succes guaranteed method.
I rather take less profits and do arbitrage sport bets. I do not make that huge profits but I am consistently making guaranteed profits every day.
124  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Arbitao is 100% a SCAM !!! on: September 08, 2018, 01:43:40 PM
arbitao is just another lending scam ICO but its put in a new jacket called arbitrage.

true people can make good money from arbitrage but it is just impossible to guarantee such kind of profits made from arbitrage on such a huge investment amount.

to arbitrage you need to divide your capital over 10-15 different exchanges + on every exchange you need to purchase a bunch of different coins before you can arbitrage. it has no use that there is a possible trade and you just do not hold that coin. On their website there is a list with trades every fucking second. But you can easily put something like that on any site. They must provide the proofs of their actual trades they make.

But I am sure they won't do that cause they probably even aren't trading.


Investors will get fucked once again
125  Economy / Gambling / Arbitrage sport betting for any bankroll on: September 04, 2018, 11:19:04 PM
DISCLAIMER:
We are not intending to collect funds from gamblers, place or manage bets. The only funds we will collect in future will be paid subscriptions for our services if we manage to attract enough customers.
Everything mentioned in the post below is not made up but entirely based on the experience of the worlds largest market leaders in arbitrage sport betting.
So be careful by posting negative comments on this post and read everything very carefully before posting a comment.




Arbitrage sport betting!!


1. What is arbitrage sport betting?
2. 100% possible profits guaranteed, however still there are risks.
3. Why does not everyone starts arbitrage betting?
4. Easy to make decent money.
5. Our services





1. What is arbitrage sport betting?

Arbitrage is the process of finding and taking advantage of price differentials.

In sports terms, arbitrage involves betting on all possible outcomes of a sporting event, exploiting high odds from bookmakers to guarantee a profit. The situation occurs when both bookmakers have sufficiently high odds on each side of an event. You place a bet covering all outcomes of the game, and are guaranteed a profit. Arbitrage situations happen regularly, hundreds of times every day.
Online sports arbitrage trading has existed for almost a decade, and a lot of people have made (and still are making) good money from it.

Above is a general definition of arbitrage sport betting. We are not going to explain in detail cause otherwise it will be to much. We can and will explain more carefully on request. We only want to give a simple example.

e.g Tennis player A vs tennis player B and we have 100$ to spend*

Bookie 1 gives player A a 2.04 quote to win the game. (We put 50$ on player A which results in a 102$ possible win)   
Bookie 2 gives player B a 2.05 quote to win the game. (We put 50$ on player B which results in a 102.5$ possible win)

So no matter the outcome of the game we will make at least 2$ profits 100% guaranteed**. This means we make at least 2% profit on
our bankroll.


* This is a very simplified example. In reality arbing is more complicated.
**If bet is placed in the correct way.




2. 100% possible profits guaranteed, however still there are risks.

Nothing in life is 100% guaranteed, but arbitrage betting is coming close to it. Of course there are some risks involved but they can easily be minimized.

1. Bet Cancellation
A bookie can cancel a bet at any time. But most reputable bookies only cancel prematch. Mostly a bet is cancelled if there happened a mistake when placing the odds.
How to minimize?  Avoid arbs higher than a 5% profit margin as much as possible
2. Individual Errors
You can always make mistake by placing a wrong bet. Sometimes arbing requires fast actions. But always double check the arg quotations and the quotes appearing on the bookies websites.
How to avoid? Double check before placing your bet. Do not try to be to fast. If you miss one just go to the next one. Arbs appear tens even hundreds times a day.
3. Moving Odds. This is one of the biggest risk. One of the bookies involved in your arb can change his odds while you are placing the arb.
How to minimize risk? Always enter data with the bookie that changes odds more often. If for some reason you get matched in such situation that part of your funds is already locked at one bookie, just pick another arb that could cover most of the losses. Better take a 2% loss than loosing 1/2 of the stake.
4. Limiting Books. There are a lot of rumors of banning player, freeze accounts,...... Yes this happens but mostly with the less reputable bookies.
Mostly a good bookie limits your account if they notice you are winning too much. But they will pay your balance. Actually a bookie is like a casino. Bookies do not dislike arbitrage bettors but the do not like large winning players.
How to minimize to get limited? There are several ways to avoid.
Round your stake. Try to round your stake as best you can to the nearest multiple of five. So instead of betting $237 at a single bookmaker, bet $235 or $240.
Do not bet on obvious palps. This is a sure way of getting limited. Arbitrages over 5% should immediately raise a warning flag.
Do not make unnecessary withdrawals from a bookmaker. Do not withdraw funds from bookmakers if you do not have to. Keeping withdrawals to a minimum is good.
Think twice about betting on low tier, foreign leagues. Some books might raise an eyebrow if you bet a lot of money on a third division basketball league in a foreign country.





3. Why does not everyone starts arbitrage betting?

1. Not a quick rich module.
Arbitrage betting is not a 'get rich fast method'. Previous years people have been spoiled and blinded by possible returns. If you told a person 10 years ago 'I can help you make 10% profits monthly' , they would have gone crazy. If you tell a person this now they say PFFFF I can make 2-5% daily. With all the hyips, ponzi. scam ICOs etc you get scammed eventually. People from today need to learn again what good profits are and that those profits are made in an honest and legal way.
What do you prefer 10% monthly for a couple hours of work or 3% YEARLY from your bank?

2. Arbing takes time and patience.
On the one hand you need to put time and effort in arbing and on the other hand you must have patience and let your bankroll grow over time. In the past I mostly told people to keep building the bankroll for an entire year before withdrawing.

3. Costly software.
You can search arb opportunities manually but this is to time consuming. But there are companies offering arbitrage sports betting software. The only negative about that is that it is much to expensive for a lot of people.
On of the providers quoted that a 10% profit monthly should be an easy goal to reach. Higher percentages are possible depending on the time and effort you put in.

But lets say 10% profits month on your entire bankroll. The cheapest software I found was 69€ monthly




You can easily make 10% profits on your bankroll. For large bankroll bettors with a roll of 1000s of $ the monthly fee is peanuts. But majority of the people do not have that kind of available bankroll.

e.g. You have a 1000€ bankroll and make 100€ (10% profits) you need to deduct the 69€ fee and only leaves you 31€




4. Easy to make money!!!

For now we do not take the monthly fee of the software into consideration.

Example 1.  1 daily arb with a 3% profit margin, a 500€ bankroll and 20% of bankroll used per arb.

· 100€ bet with 3% profit margin makes you 3€ profits.
· 3€ is 0.6% profits on your entire 500€ bankroll
· If we place 1 such bet daily we manage to make 18% profits. (compounded profits not included)

Example 2  5 daily arbs with 1.5% margin, a 500€ roll and 10% of bankroll used per arb.

· 5 x 50€ bet with 1.5% margin makes you 3.75€ profits.
· 3.75% is 0.75% on the entire bankroll.
· If we do this daily we can make up to 22.5% profits monthly.

But the opportunities are unlimited. You can place as many daily arbs as you wish. There will even be days that there appear 100+ opportunities.




Our service and future plans!

We have 2 major goals

Our first goal is to give people with any kind of bankroll the opportunity to join the world of arbitrage sport betting.
Our second goal is to launch a platform where gamblers can log in, receive the arbs in real time and can auto log in in every possible bookies accounts they have.


The first goal can be achieved easily. People will not have to spend 69€ on monthly subscription for the arbitrage software. Until our platform is ready we will manage the arbing manually and personally. We will create private groups where you will receive multiple arb opportunities on a daily basis and we will go live on twitch, Skype, zoom,.... multiple times a week and if possible daily.

Our second goal will depend on incoming resources. We know that a lot of people are skeptical of funding or investing in a project without knowing the people behind it, wether they are trustworthy or not,..... That is why we want to build a community first and deliver a nice amount of daily arbs first. By going live as well everyone will be able to see us and meet us 'online' and ask any questions they have.
In this way we can build trust and a community. As soon as trust has been build it is much easier to convince people to invest in a project.

In meantime we will only charge a small monthly fee to people that want to use our services. Those monthly fees are used to pay for our arbitrage software subscriptions. Remaining amounts we will put in arbing ourselves to earn some additional funds to start the project.

The monthly price we will charge will not be higher than 12.5$ and a yearly subscription will be 99$. But don't worry about that for now.
At this moment we want to know how gambling community responds on this idea. So we do not collect any funds at this moment.
As soon as we notice we have enough interest in the idea we will publish more details etc.




So guys please share your comments below. But avoid to call this a scam. Cause this isn't a scam. Arbitrage betting is real and can generate guaranteed profits. We also do nog collect funds now. We are just looking for interested people. And before we even start with collecting any subscriptions we will go live multiple times to discuss and create a telegram group where we can discuss everything before even starting.
I recently posted a syndicate offer as well. But in that idea there was the issue of an unknown guy handling other peoples money, etc. In this opportunity a participant would only pay for a subscription and keeps his funds under full control.


126  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! Free daily tips on: September 03, 2018, 02:18:43 PM
Do you apply your own method to calculate odds of each game? It takes a lot of knowledge and skill to do this.

no i do not calculate odds myself. I have some software that tracks the best odds for games on different betting sites. Normally this software is used for arbitrage betting as well but I use it to search for the best odds on particular games.
I used to use the software for arbitrage betting but since I moved to Spain I do not have that much choice of different betting providers so are betting isn't that profitable anymore
127  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! Free daily tips on: September 03, 2018, 12:41:45 PM
Today picks 03/09

128  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: September 03, 2018, 11:23:47 AM
Have spoken with a friend I bet with couple years ago in Belgium. He is gonna help out with the soccer, tennis and some other sports.
so you can expect more free tips from us in following days and weeks.
129  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: September 03, 2018, 10:51:05 AM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zX--t9gPox8DdCUUF2SYaglGnCwkS0_SzW3rdbqngf4/edit?usp=sharing

have a look at all my previous weekend picks.

As you notice and like I told I am more specialized in Darts. Football is more for fun and I never bet big amounts on football.

I always calculate in units. 1 unit is 2€


Football 98 units played / 40.24 units won => loss 57.76U ( loss 115.53€)    ROI - 58.3%

Darts  205 units played / 232 units won     => profit 27U (profit 54€)        ROI  +13.9%
130  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: September 03, 2018, 08:16:10 AM
oh I see this thread has turned to tipping thread , can you please add the total profit/loss on your sheet also if you add the ROI that would be good as well
will keep an eye on this thread till you reach 400 picks or more and maybe I will start following after that
I have a thread for the tipsters I follow and you can check it out in case you are looking for something to follow as well
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1800883.msg17941510#msg17941510

Yeah decided to put up Some tips in meantime to Maybe build Some trust for future purposes
131  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: September 02, 2018, 07:15:10 PM
As you can see Darts is my speciality. At this moment 27 correct out of 33 picks.


And that why I want to team up with other punters, to combine different sports. I know I can crack Darts picks. But I can't crack football, basketball, tennis, etc
132  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: September 02, 2018, 04:16:49 PM
Additional darts picks for tonight



Semi final bets



Check results in following spreadsheet. You will see my win ratio on darts is way higher than on football. Darts is my game.


Results => https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zX--t9gPox8DdCUUF2SYaglGnCwkS0_SzW3rdbqngf4/edit?usp=sharing
133  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: September 02, 2018, 10:05:30 AM
today pick 02/09


134  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: September 01, 2018, 09:03:17 AM
My Saturday picks





Results will be updated here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zX--t9gPox8DdCUUF2SYaglGnCwkS0_SzW3rdbqngf4/edit?usp=sharing

Yesterday I hit 7 out of 10
135  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: September 01, 2018, 07:50:33 AM
You should listen to the advice given to you by the previous posts above me. If you are really serious in doing this without any intention to scam people, take heed and work hard to gain trust in this forum. You should build up your name here and leave a positive impression to many people before asking them to give you their money. As others have said, put some free tips and prove to us that you have what it takes for the "strategy" that you claim is working. Invest time in this forum.

OK thanks for the tip. I will start working on building more trust. I really want to become a trustful person. So from now I will try to list up a spreadsheet of my bets and keep them updated over here.
Hopefully I can gain trust in this way and build a good reputation.

Keeping spreadsheet updated of your bets after game finished wont give much trust. You have to give your bets info here in this forum before match so who ever following or watching your bets will know how much worthy are you. If you take escrow facility in your offer will also be benefit for you as most of them love to play with escrow system. 

I posted a spreadsheet yesterday prior to the games. So that s what i Will do again today. For todays picked i Will also provide screenshot so people can verify i havent changed Any data in between
136  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: September 01, 2018, 07:45:17 AM
To be honest jr.member asking for money for ANY REASON looks really shaddy here, there is absolutely no way to know if you are for real or trying to scam and in crypto world until it is proven otherwise you start out at default thinking everyone is out there trying to scam you because it is such an easy way to get money from others and disappear.

Hence, you should definitely try to prove some facts before you start asking for money, no one in their right mind would give you 25-50 dollars if you know what you are doing you should have gotten that much money from gambling yourself anyway, it is really such a small number that asking for it makes it look even more shady.

Dont know how Many Guys of you are gonna keep telling its shady or scam. I clarified couple things already multiple times

#1 I dont care if another member in the group with a higher rank handled the funds.
#2 i told multiple times already that i can and do bet myself.
#3 I only want to start a shared pool with people to be able to bet on more sports. Every gambler has his favourite sports and speciality. Me for example doesnt know shit about basketbal, baseball, cricket, horses.
#4 if i do handle the money all participant would receive a signed agreement. I would be able to verify my id in Many ways (official address, id, registered company number and vat number in belgium, Skype, ....)
137  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: August 31, 2018, 11:08:48 AM
My picks for today.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zX--t9gPox8DdCUUF2SYaglGnCwkS0_SzW3rdbqngf4/edit?usp=sharing

Lets see if we can hit something today
138  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: August 31, 2018, 11:07:49 AM
Why there's so many people always looking for another persons to their ideas, hey mate your offer is a gambling, I would say to you that no one here will entrusted their asset to your idea, why don't you do it by yourself? why looking for someone's money?

First of all I am not looking for other peoples money. I am just want to create a pool of gamblers that place and discuss bets together.
I can do it by myself. I am almost betting everyday. But I want to create a group with other bettors that are specialized in the sports that I am not familiar with. By playing in group you can gather forces and expand bets to much more different sports.
139  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: August 31, 2018, 08:36:15 AM
You should listen to the advice given to you by the previous posts above me. If you are really serious in doing this without any intention to scam people, take heed and work hard to gain trust in this forum. You should build up your name here and leave a positive impression to many people before asking them to give you their money. As others have said, put some free tips and prove to us that you have what it takes for the "strategy" that you claim is working. Invest time in this forum.

OK thanks for the tip. I will start working on building more trust. I really want to become a trustful person. So from now I will try to list up a spreadsheet of my bets and keep them updated over here.
Hopefully I can gain trust in this way and build a good reputation.
140  Economy / Gambling / Re: sport betting syndicate!!!! on: August 31, 2018, 08:29:08 AM
You're pretty new here compared to the existing shared pool of bettors. You know, people wouldn't blindly trust you with their monies. You think an escrow would be an essential part here? Also, there is barely any proof for the stuff mentioned in the post.
He might believe that most people here are fool enough to took the bait.


Why do not you do all the betting yourself if you know a strategy that works to beat the bookies?
He do loves to collect peoples money.  Smiley
Yes, he might believe because there may be some candidates for him. Since people blindly invest in cloud minings, why don't to invest in it? As he mentioned, he is looking for sport betting addicts <-- this category of people is easy to follow, they think they can profit from betting but when they lose a lot, try to get lost money back and still continue losing. Good idea but hope you'll fail.

i am looking for people that like sports betting.
And about collecting the money. I told multiple times I do not care if there is a more 'reputable' person that joins the group to handle the funds. For me its just all about the fun of being part of a group that discusses sports and sport bets and try to make some money
As long you arent the one who do handles the money then it should be fine and i would like to ask on give us a reason why a certain sports bettor would join up your group?
It would be more appealing if you do put up some free tips and the community might trust you.

Yea give us something and we'll give back to you for more

Like I said I am more specialized in Darts. I have been playing on the BDO and PDC circuit myself before I got my first kid. I know a lot of top players personally and I follow the darts circuit very closely.
I am trying to put a group together with bettors specialized in other sports. Like for example a bettor knowing everything about baseball, basketball, tennis. Those sports I know nothing about.
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