As I've been ramped up now for the last three blocks (I think) my N Avg on Kano shows 13.30, 13.30 and 13.29 THs. On And since pointing my miner to Kano I've been online without interruptions (except for e few minutes when nl-pool was down) so that shouldn't be the problem.

Obviously it's something I don't understand or Kano and CKPool Monitor measures the hashrate slightly different.

At the risk of blowing up the ebay prices,  there is a seller (ecpar411) that has 10 auctions for soon to be delivered S9's
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At time of writing I can load a cart with the MOQ of 3x lots of 20x 821s and start the checkout process.  Now maybe that's as far as I would get, but assuming they validated the order then it appears that one buyer could purchase 60x 821s (66 to be exact since each lot includes 2x "free" units) for $120,825, including shipping.  That works out to about $1830/miner.  Not exactly a steal, but better than the prices from Canaan's approved resellers. 

Kano, would it be too much to ask for the year in the "block utc" column on the rewards page? Started logging data, helps with the sorting...

ok that makes sense now but if i have 1 th/s and kano pool finds 5 blocks in a month what would my estimated payout be for the month?

really depends on yer long term plans but make sure u have a licenced electrision do the work. use wrong wiring or breakers and itll burn the house down. personally i say find an apartment building that includes hydro and put 6 units in each (1 per circiut) save 600$ a month on hydro pay maby 800 in rent .

The API in bmminer and cgminer and a few other ones, was designed by me long ago.

It's a simple API that imposes very little overhead on the miner due to the design, since the miner's job is to ensure it does as much work as possible and gets the work results to the pool as quickly as possible.

It's nothing to do with the pool.
It's in every miner from Bitmain and Canaan.

So if Bitmain controls more than 50% of btc. How is it ever suppose to become the currency it was designed to be? It needs to be out there in the world being used like fiat is used in circulation. It’s worthless if most of it is sitting in one company’s pocket. How will the value of btc ever continue to rise if Bitmain holds most of it?

I'm hoping to see some more results from promoting in the next few days. I've been pushing the pool, with Kano's 10btc reward,
directly into the path of Antpool, and Slush users. I have F2pool, and BTCpool, on my list next. Hopefully, these users are looking
to find better rewards, with a much better community. Many of the Antpool users, are starting to understand, they are getting robbed.

i think the trick to a good understanding is to remove all the luck and random from the explanation kinda like i did above. might work best with the conveyor belt idea with a light showing the area being watched for pay and the chunks being the work ect the belt would jst show the moving nature of course u would need to color the rocks different colors to show work from all workers and give example of 1 color being watched i think. could have a little supervisor with a clipboard watching the moving rocks under the light lol of course im jst a rookie and would love a pro chime in on the discussion to see if we are moving in the right direction here

also have a couple of questions A) how do i get promoted from newbie here lol ?and B)how do i stop kano.is from kicking me out so i have to log in again to watch ma worker %'s?

Thanks for bumping up your max hash rate to include me...  I have not clue how well I will do since I have only been mining since August 2017 so I guess we will see..  Since we are going for easier to explain, I think it is best to switch to something tangible.  Since I like cookies, this analogy will be 1 cookie = 1 share.  The 5nd is 5 times the difficulty.  Lets keep it simple and say that the difficulty is 20, so 5nd is 100.  There is one cookie jar that can hold exactly 100 cookies which everyone is sharing.  This is a special cookie jar where the bottom kicks out and throws away old cookies when another goes in (so the cookies are always fresh).   For this example, lets say there are 3 miners working on filling the cookie jar.  Each miner is making their own cookie type at different rates.  The long term miner (miner 1) can make 1 peanut butter per minute.  Our miner (miner 2) can make 3 chocolate chip cookies per minute and the third miner (miner 3) can make 6 ginger snaps per minute.  Obviously if I ate all these cookies, I would not like cookies any longer, but you get the idea...
 
To keep it a little simpler, we will assume the block reward is 100 BTC, that cookie jar is initially filled only with peanut butter cookies (100 of them) and that full cookies are submitted once per minute – even though an S9 miner can do 13.5 Trillion hashes per second and the difficulty is also in the trillions, so in reality, our cookies are broken up into billions of pieces per second - but who wants to eat crumbs.  

So when we start mining, the cookie jar is full of other miner’s cookies and none of ours (so sad – no BTC if a block is found).  After each minute, miner 1 adds 1 peanut butter cookie to the jar, we add 3 chocolate chip cookies and miner 3 adds 6 ginger snaps and 10 old peanut butter cookies drop out of the bottom to the trash (or maybe I ate them).  Lets assume we find a block after minute 5.  There have been 5 peanut butter cookies, 15 chocolate chips and 30 ginger snaps added (and 50 old peanut butter cookies removed) so there are a total of 100 – 50 + 5 = 55 peanut butter cookies which is 55% of the jar, 15 chocolate chips which is 15% and 30 ginger snaps which is 30% of the jar.  So 100 BTC  gets distributed based on the percentages (actually 99.1 BTC gets distributed since Kano gets .9%).

If another block gets hit 5 minutes later, there have been a total of 10 peanut butter cookies added (5 new ones), 30 chocolate chips and 60 ginger snaps added (and all 100 of the old peanut butter cookies have been removed) so there are a total of 100 – 100 + 10 = 10 peanut butter cookies which is 10% of the jar, 30 chocolate chips which is 30% and 60 ginger snaps which is 60% of the jar.  So the second 100 BTC gets distributed based on the percentages.

Assuming that these miners continue to contribute the exact same amount with no new miners, when a cookie is added, a cookie is removed so the percentages stay the same going forward.  When that happens, you are getting the most payout you can.  Obviously if your miner goes down for a few minutes, you wont submit cookies so your percentage goes down a little but not a lot.  Also as more miners submit cookies to the jar, your percentage of the jar goes down (and your old cookies fall out a little faster).  The other thing that messes with all this is that when the difficulty goes up every couple weeks, the cookie jar gets bigger – and the cookies that fell out from the smaller jar get added back into the bottom of the jar in the order they left (so the analogy is not as good then).

So in my view of PPLNS, it really has nothing to do with “ramping” at all.  It is more about how many cookies you have put in the jar compared to everyone else.  So if I were to win the 50TH for 5 days, there would simply be a more chocolate chip cookies added to the top of jar for those 5 days over and above my 13.5TH that I have been adding to the mix since August.

Well, that is my attempt!!!  Hopefully I am not wrong and confuse everyone even more…

i dont know much about it. all i can say is that i did not have to pay a penny. so now all that is left tot see is how much i will actually save on electric stay tuned.

i like this one though drawing the cookies might be tricky here lol. but since its PPL5NS u might wana add how instead of getting your cookies all at once when a block is found it is spred out over 5 payouts at least this is how i understand it though iv only been adding cookies for a few days now but i want double chocolate chipos

I applaud your effort but believe your analogy would be a lot better had you considered 5 jars.

Yes you do!!   Really, we all should understood it quite well. So, here's the deal......

I'm going to up the stakes and hold you accountable with a new promotion lol!!!  ***** 50 TH/s *****

I want to see how well the small miners understand this and can explain it on a level where YOU(and others, including myself) fully understand it. I want that light bulb to go off and have ZERO doubt about how we are getting paid for our shares and I will donate 50 TH/s for a period of 5 days to a lucky winner.

My rules:

1- You have to have been mining on Kano's Pool with a hash rate between 1 and 10 TH/s
2- You have to have been mining with this hash for at least the last 5 blocks (to be confirmed by Kano)
3- You have to submit your answer in response to this quote and give 2 working examples including the payouts calculated.
4- padrinogtr will have to be able to explain his new understanding with an example in response to the submitted answer and confirmed by KANO.

The 5 day 50 TH/s award will start as soon as I am able to see confirmation and have access to my controllers. I will of course need a worker name.
I understand this is dependent on some cooperation from others, but hey it's 50 TH/s on the line and I'm currently only running about 70 TH/s, so it's a big deal to me.

5 days - 50 TH/s .... don't let us down padrinogtr!!!!!!

*Of course, this is for fun and in the event of a hash rate failure, I will not be obligated to make it up as noted in prior promotions. I hope I'm not leaving out any details. I will stay active with the announcements as well as open to hearing some feedback or details that should be edited.

I really don't want to piss off the head honcho either, so if this is crossing any lines or boundaries, please let me know!

Thanks everyone and MINE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: I may have noticed my first mistake and I'm going to attempt to adjust this. Unless padrinogtr really needed this breakdown, I may tweak the rules to the best description from a miner who meets the first 3 rules, but who's answer reaches 10 votes for the best answer. What do you think?

***NOTE*** This competition is not yet valid until I get the "OK" from Kano and will get the details sorted out. SO SAVE YOUR ANSWERS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE PLEASE!!