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121  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Momentum Proof-of-Work on: October 20, 2013, 05:55:11 PM
Your idea is useless because there can always be ASICs that are better than generic hardware at specific tasks. Which is why they are called ASICs.

You might be confused about the state of art of certain classes of integrated circuits. I'll try to make this simple, as related to cryptography.

Speeding up the processing of a memory-hard algorithm requires two things: (1) faster memory (clock speed), and (2) more memory (parallelism and minimization of data set movement). Consumer RAM ("Memory" as it were) is nearly already AT the state of the art in terms of speed (DDR3 and soon DDR4). Adding MORE of it simply means adding more sticks of RAM. From a customized machine standpoint, this means adding more of the DDR SDRAM ICs (the constituent chips that make up a PC's RAM modules) and optimizing their data transports.

The argument that I recall the Scrypt paper making (and that I see the Momentum paper makes [2nd paragraph of introduction]) is that it becomes economically infeasible to design a system that outperforms a standard PC by such a margin that makes it worthwhile to develop said system. In other words, it costs too much to design a specialized system for a memory-hard algorithm when desktop PCs typically already perform really well with readily-available, relatively cheap hardware.

Q. Is someone going to develop an ASIC to handle the specific functions that the CPU in a desktop PC handles? Are they going to be able to do it faster and cheaper than Intel's latest tech?
A. Probably not, developing for the latest transistor size would be difficult and immensely costly.

Q. Is someone going to develop a memory ASIC that performs better than consumer RAM?
A. Probably not, consumer RAM is already near the state of the art.

Q. If someone DID actually build the above two ASICs and also built an efficient platform around them on such a scale that the (alt-)coin mining market would actually support, would it be economically feasible (that is, would you get at least 100% ROI)?
A. Most certainly not. The licensing alone would kill the hopes for feasibility.

I hope this makes sense. If I have misspoken or misinformed anywhere in the above, please do not hesitate to correct me.

The argument that I don't see made often enough is when economic feasibility isn't the goal, what happens? For instance, if a government wanted to build a system to take over and crumble a cryptocurrency network and [fiat] money was no object -- then yes, they could probably develop such a system. But any economist who knows about the engineering involved (quite a rare subset I would imagine!) would just tell this government to buy as much consumer PC hardware as they could rather than develop new tech. "Why re-invent the wheel?"

p.s. BombaUcigasa, you're coming off very trollish. You ask good questions, but try to lighten up a bit on your accusatory tone and people might take you more seriously. Thanks.
122  Economy / Computer hardware / [SOLD] (USA) Butterfly Labs BFL 30 GH/s Miner - 4.5 BTC + s&h on: October 17, 2013, 12:05:42 AM
SOLD.

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Just posted this up on ebay. I'll pull the auction if there are no bids. Looking for 4.5 BTC + shipping (tbd - 12x12x6 inches, 8 lbs). USA only.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Butterfly-Labs-Bitforce-30-GH-s-Bitcoin-Miner-/321229845146

Thanks.
123  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casinobit - LIVE ROULETTE - [INVEST] - BEST CASINO OF 2013 on: October 12, 2013, 08:28:55 PM
Don't see myself on the debt list (investor, not bettor).
Here's the TX. I can sign if necessary.
https://blockchain.info/tx/2c6b10e771a7a7aef712c0f34fb5e2e056b50091267a47a6ffd181a239d8c939
Thanks.
124  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: October 10, 2013, 10:04:19 PM
Thanks for your work bigben. I sent an address confirmation PM to John K a while back. (I am in the "2nd list.") Is that all that is required?
125  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner Jupiter Miner First Impressions on: October 10, 2013, 07:33:11 AM
Been running almost nonstop since Monday afternoon (gmt-8) on the firmware mine shipped with, 0.91.



Hesitant to update since people are so hit-and-miss with them.

I felt the caps that were blowing on other peoples' units with the back of my finger, after running the rig for a few hours, and none of them were getting hot -- indicates not much voltage/current ripple. Maybe faulty voltage regulators are putting unexpected stress on those caps?

Also, I did just notice that -Redacted- is running at diff 128. Would that have any effect on hashing speed? I would assume not, but i don't understand the concept of 'difficulty' very well.
126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 08, 2013, 02:15:58 AM
FWIW you could also quit cgminer (hit q) and then do a "restart -r 0" to restart (in zero seconds).
127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 08, 2013, 01:37:46 AM
My 2 hosted Jupiters are still MIA but I did get one delivered.  Two fans came off the heat sync but after fixing that the unit turned on without issue.  The only thing that drove me nuts was a bad network cable and the Eligius pools seemed to be down..  (pool rate dropped under 10 th/s, so it appeared that the pool was having issues)

I did use a paperclip to get the power supply turned on but I don't want to keep it like that so I just ordered something to make it a bit more clean.  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUMP-START-ATX-EPS-24-PIN-POWER-SUPPLY-WITHOUT-A-MOTHERBOARD-MADE-IN-USA-/261270136936?pt=US_Power_Cables_Connectors&hash=item3cd4e9e868)

To find the unit on my network using a windows machine I used NMAP (nmap -sP 192.168.85.1/24).  The Jupiter shows up as a Texas Instruments device.   Grabbed the URL and used a browser to configure the unit.  For now I changed pools to BTCGuild and hit apply.  Seconds later I saw hashes hitting the pool.

I didn't change the firmware, currently running .91.  Hash rate is between 560-570 (97.2% accepted shares).  At the beginning (first 20 minutes, it was showing 80%-85% accepted but it appears that it got less errors over time)

The unit is super quiet.  Sounds like a desktop computer with an SSD.  The case is currently off since I had to fix the fans and was in a hurry to get it up and running.  Tomorrow I'll put the case back on and change back to Eligius.  I'll probably setup a failover pool but want to make sure that won't mess with any updates KNC will be pushing out.  For now, I have no reason to upgrade the firmware as the unit is working just as KNC said.

I wish I had my other two units though!   Good luck everyone!  


Doing better than my unit. Been running for about 2 hours, currently averaging 509.7 GH/s according to cgminer. My 5sec average is consistently above 550 GH/s though, so maybe there's some low, old data that is influencing the average. We'll see by tomorrow morning.

[edit] also, error rate seems to be high at about 6.8% (if i'm calculating correctly: cgminer's HW/A).
128  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: October 02, 2013, 06:58:57 PM
Isn't wave theory based on natural human behavior and emotion? When something like the Silk Road closure causes an impulse in the market, how can you apply that in the same way to your waves, as, say, a steady decline?
129  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: September 19, 2013, 04:50:52 AM
Filled out.
130  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Poll] Burnins BitFury miner on: September 15, 2013, 08:52:19 PM
You know, all this complaining about the price is unnecessary. You can just vote with your BTC's. Then when he starts taking a loss because he's not selling enough, the price falls.
131  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: September 14, 2013, 10:00:48 PM
I will join bears if it break (down) $64. Pullback down to $80 is safe. Meanwhile there is no room to move up, as upper BB there.

We might be talking about different types of bulls and bears. If $115 breaks, I'm looking at medium-term (3-to-6-months) bearish. Ultimately, I am long-term bull on bitcoin unless a disruptive technology comes along.
132  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: September 13, 2013, 07:59:34 PM
but if happen breaking through down $ 115, i join to bears.

+1, agreed
133  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: September 13, 2013, 05:29:29 PM
I dont think the green lower line of the wedge is placed well: the market now is too different from pre-bubble, and the candles only touch twice since then... probably coincidentally. I dont mean to sound argumentative or accusatory, but how much do you trust in that line?
134  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: September 11, 2013, 11:52:43 PM
So a PONG to $115 within a couple of weeks would establish that trend. Seems unlikely considering how strong that middle upward band has been. I'm really trying to be bearish but nearly every day I'm being proven wrong. Liquidity (or lack thereof) is making this a whale's game.
135  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Poll] Burnins BitFury miner on: September 10, 2013, 12:31:24 AM
Just want to add my +1 here... i'd love to transfer however much is possible of the price i paid for avalon miners to this bitfury version.
136  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [CLOSED] Avalon ASIC chip distribution on: September 10, 2013, 12:19:18 AM
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I can't just request refund for a batch at will unless enough users ask for it. Ball is at your side.

I'm willing to bet that if you set up a way for us to easily (and with organization) request a refund, you'd get plenty of requests.

For now, I'd like to request a refund for my 60 chips.

Order from batch 4: https://blockchain.info/tx/48669b0f91d5f9acf9565c5303dd253bacdd67399f14db0b040576721040c246
Order from batch 7: https://blockchain.info/tx/29b0fe7e6e3cb31ae029b4755e05b8d71304e369d74cd672ccd05cd70c673e1f

I hope burnin will be issuing refunds for non-built mining boards. Guess I gotta do some digging through hundreds of pages of posts =(
137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: September 07, 2013, 07:12:08 AM
Ah those daily candles make it very clear: we'd been riding the upper bound of the BB for essentially all of August. Time for a dump.
138  Economy / Speculation / Re: So is anyone excited about eBay endorsing Bitcoin? on: September 05, 2013, 04:16:55 PM
nah, ebay will just have a bitcoin usage fee. why wouldn't they want to get in on the game? ebay had to pay someone for a week to create that animation, so you know they are at least a little serious about a bitcoin viability.

edit:  also this thread title is misleading,  there's no endorsement going on.
139  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: September 04, 2013, 09:52:54 PM
Did you noticed? Price drop started on bitstamp first! This was never before like that.

You're absolutely right. I find this odd considering Bitstamp's trade volume hasn't substantially increased the past few months compared to the rest of its recent history.
140  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: August 27, 2013, 05:27:11 AM

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