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Bunch of people who have no idea how hashing power or difficulty is calculated talking BS...
Lol, 70 PH going to some altcoin...god, such imagination.
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Just received my TREZORS  Anybody knows any tool which can encrypt text using a password? I don't feel comfortable using a passphrase (the 25th word function) since it's asked every time when I use my trezor, yet I'd like to be able to print the 24 word seed in an encrypted format on paper and store it in multiple locations. Any idea if this http://aesencryption.net/ is strong enough? Also, is this a proper tool https://dcpos.github.io/bip39/, to use on an offline localhost webserver for private keys restoration from trezor if urgently needed? |
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some bla bla
this useless maggot is still angry cause he lost money with BC ) a "strong hand" he was... Go get a real job shit head Don't you see already how pathetic and desperate you look trying so hard to get some attention. We get it, you are at that age, when you become desperate if you have not accomplished anything in your low life. We get it. You leak frustration... |
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Had high hopes for this one... so far its just been sad.... so much dumping and below ICO price, ICO coins should have addresses where the btc raised can be sent to so that it can be monitored by the community, so they know if the dev is just dumping his 'free' coins or not..
Bitswift and Bytecent did a good job as far as return on ICO coins go... wonder where this one went wrong?
My .2 bay
I bet there is no dev crazy enough to send >200 BTC to an exchange to "buy" his own coins. Where are those dumps you're speaking about? You mean the very-low volume bot-trades pushing the price down? oh, yeah, such "dumps"... |
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What are the chances for a malware plugin to extract the private keys from the trezor while using it?
What are the chances for myTrezor.com if hacked to extract the private keys from the trezor while using it?
Can I setup my trezor without using myTrezor.com online wallet?
I don't get this:
"Tamas Blummer, CEO of Bits of Proof (BOP) adds: “I believe TREZOR users will appreciate the fact that their private keys are never transmitted from myTREZOR to the BOP Bitcoin Server. The transactions are signed purely in the TREZOR device. It is finally safe to use a web wallet, thanks to TREZOR and our BOP Bitcoin Server”."
Does this mean that myTREZOR.com have access to the private keys into the TREZOR device?
Is there a way to install the webwallet on a localhost webserver without the need to work on myTrezor.com if the website is down?
Thanks
No chance to steal the funds. The keys never leave the Trezor, only the signed transactions leave the Trezor. The crucial point is the Trezor's screen and its buttons. You see the transaction with the amount and the receiving address on the screen, and accept it with a button on the device. Smart programming from the Trezor's team makes it possible to enter pincode for the Trezor through the PC's keyboard, without revealing to the PC what the pin-code is. Also the seed can be reentered into the Trezor via the PC without revealing the seed to the PC, if there is a need to load the old seed into a backup trezor. Some other information could leak out, your addresses and possibly your xpub keys, to the PC or to the mytrezor website. You should only recover it if it's connected to an offline computer (preferred Ubuntu). Well, since it's offline, OS should not matter that much |
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What are the chances for a malware plugin to extract the private keys from the trezor while using it?
What are the chances for myTrezor.com if hacked to extract the private keys from the trezor while using it?
Can I setup my trezor without using myTrezor.com online wallet?
I don't get this:
"Tamas Blummer, CEO of Bits of Proof (BOP) adds: “I believe TREZOR users will appreciate the fact that their private keys are never transmitted from myTREZOR to the BOP Bitcoin Server. The transactions are signed purely in the TREZOR device. It is finally safe to use a web wallet, thanks to TREZOR and our BOP Bitcoin Server”."
Does this mean that myTREZOR.com have access to the private keys into the TREZOR device?
Is there a way to install the webwallet on a localhost webserver without the need to work on myTrezor.com if the website is down?
Thanks
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Nobody will hire you with no feedback on Odesk. That's my point. Nobody will buy from you on ebay with low feedback. Etc.
That's completely false, I have actually used both ebay and Odesk as seller of product/service, both starting from 0 feedback, and easily sold my product/service. Sure the profit/price was lower in the beginning while I'm establishing my reputation, but it's false to say "nobody" will buy from you when you have 0 feedback. Exactly. Somehow this punk thinks that Bay will take over Odesk eventhough employee is required to deposit escrow. Same goes for Ebay too...0 feedback and you can still sell stuff and buyers will gobble it up as long as your price is cheaper than other seller. What? Changing the subject? Where is that confidence? "I have more bay than you can possibly imagine" Don't call me punk you poor as quacker. Look at yourself first. You asked for 1 bay ..you got it. What did you send? NOTHING. I'm not going to drive to my house to pull pen drive that holds rest of my bay, punk. Get off my dick. then why the fuck bother sending from that address. Anyway...fock off. You're next in my ignore list |
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Nobody will hire you with no feedback on Odesk. That's my point. Nobody will buy from you on ebay with low feedback. Etc.
That's completely false, I have actually used both ebay and Odesk as seller of product/service, both starting from 0 feedback, and easily sold my product/service. Sure the profit/price was lower in the beginning while I'm establishing my reputation, but it's false to say "nobody" will buy from you when you have 0 feedback. Exactly. Somehow this punk thinks that Bay will take over Odesk eventhough employee is required to deposit escrow. Same goes for Ebay too...0 feedback and you can still sell stuff and buyers will gobble it up as long as your price is cheaper than other seller. What? Changing the subject? Where is that confidence? "I have more bay than you can possibly imagine" Don't call me punk you poor as quacker. Look at yourself first. PS. I've sent your BAY back. |
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Dude, are you stupid or stupid? I said send me from an address with 2kk bay on it. You said "I have more bay than you can possibly imagine"
I'll send you back your 1 bay since you don't know what 2kk means. Just wait to find the VM hosting that wallet.
What's that? no 50k? all talk? Enjoy 1 bay buddy and take your punk ass somewhere else. Keep it civilized. Do you even realize how retarded you sound? ) Don't beg for bay just like that. What have you thought? READ first!!!! |
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@qawzsx : Why I'm here ? Probably because i own some BitBays, followed the project because i found the concept interesting, now I'm kind of genuinely concerned about the business model of the Decentralized MarketPlace and how the Escrow System works because it will be the backbone of the system.
Personnaly i think the adoption and wide use of the coin is essential to its developement.
And we haven't even talked about volatility of BitBay and this problem combined with the escrow time regarding Vendor and Buyer...
Seller & Buyer will be able to set their own escrow amount. Double deposit was just an example ( I think) lol. I hope it's not mandatory because that can come bite your ass when marketplace launches. I'm really not sure how it would benefit small time sellers/buyers. Freelancer: Would the guy who is looking for job really deposit money before applying for job? No, I don't think so. Buyer: Would they deposit $2000 for something that costs $1000 just so they can avoid $5 fees from Paypal? Nope Seller: Would seller deposit more money than what is needed in order to avoid fees? Nope Lawyer: Would he deposit money before client hires him? Nope On other hand this market can be very useful for things such as real estate deals & bank deals It can be beneficial for things such as an IBM working on a project for a client and client don't like the idea. They both deposit money in escrow and IBM starts working on that project. After a month they reassess to see if new project brought profit to client company. Once client sees the benefit money will be taken out from the escrow and it'll be released to IBM. Big companies, Big buyers, Big sellers. They would love this "double deposit" and I don't think it's really meant for day to day user who is living in poverty time. Just my few cents. On the contrary, you are wrong... For example as an employer on a freelancing marketplace, I don't give a shit about your skills as a freelancer with no good feedback. I'm looking for somebody who is TRUSTING his skill and is dedicated to finish the work in time and deliver as advertised. For example as a seller, I won't sell you shit if you don't have a proper feedback and you are willing to pay trough paypal. I won't take that chargeback chance. For example as a buyer, I will pay an escrow fee just be sure that your cell phone is working as advertised. That won't be a problem. You are WRONG. You are looking from a "scammer" perspective. "Is he willing to do that? Ofc not if he's not a honest person" I get it, there are sellers and buyer who can't afford escrow service. So what? Does that make the service "good for nothing"? That's plain STUPID!!!! Stop looking from that perspective, and be creative. On top of that, stop thinking short time. "Look, the volatility...." Gosh... Fine, as someone looking for job I would just use Odesk where I don't have to risk "money" in order to apply for a job. See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow. The main reason people buy something on Ebay is because they don't have money to buy same thing at higher price in store. That means if they want to buy $300 cellphone they DON'T have $600. I never said it's useless. I said I don't think it's mandatory and it's probably used as precaution when you're making big deal with a buyer who is in different country than you are. Nobody will hire you with no feedback on Odesk. That's my point. Nobody will buy from you on ebay with low feedback. Etc. "See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow." You are really stupid just by writing this. As a freelancer you are making YOUR money by doing various jobs for employers. Gosh. BTW, the main reason people buy something on Ebay is because it's cheaper, not because they don't have money. Are you stupid? How the fuck can you say that somebody is buying things on ebay because they don't have money to buy at higher price? Are you that type? "Mneah, I'm not going to buy this cheap cell phone because I afford to pay twice the price for the same phone in the same condition somewhere else" Dude. Calm the fck down. I have more bay than you can possibly imagine so no need to act childish & call names. I know you want Bay to reach $1 so you can run away with your profit and you'll bash anyone who questions anything but many of us ARE not looking to run away with profit and we do see future in Bay and proper discussion is required in order to achieve that success. I'm putting you in ignore list just for acting like 2 yrs old )))))))))))))))))))))))))) yes, you have... send me 1 bay from an address who have at least 2kk bay on it, and I'll send you 50k bay back. Post your address. I'm more than happy to send you 1 bay and you better send 50k in return. May be try reading previous posts of person you're talking to. BEHWHFbjrfa1NefCvNEKF1vXYaxRMiEAQu   Your turn B8PnPf2AbyhRFpMrTU4WbsVW1sXevUh2hv Is this a fucking joke? 25,693 bay? )))))))) GTFO that's what I thought. You have no balls, buddy. All talk. Let me quote your post again Dude, are you stupid or stupid? I said send me from an address with 2kk bay on it. You said "I have more bay than you can possibly imagine" I'll send you back your 1 bay since you don't know what 2kk means. Just wait to find the VM hosting that wallet. |
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@qawzsx : Why I'm here ? Probably because i own some BitBays, followed the project because i found the concept interesting, now I'm kind of genuinely concerned about the business model of the Decentralized MarketPlace and how the Escrow System works because it will be the backbone of the system.
Personnaly i think the adoption and wide use of the coin is essential to its developement.
And we haven't even talked about volatility of BitBay and this problem combined with the escrow time regarding Vendor and Buyer...
Seller & Buyer will be able to set their own escrow amount. Double deposit was just an example ( I think) lol. I hope it's not mandatory because that can come bite your ass when marketplace launches. I'm really not sure how it would benefit small time sellers/buyers. Freelancer: Would the guy who is looking for job really deposit money before applying for job? No, I don't think so. Buyer: Would they deposit $2000 for something that costs $1000 just so they can avoid $5 fees from Paypal? Nope Seller: Would seller deposit more money than what is needed in order to avoid fees? Nope Lawyer: Would he deposit money before client hires him? Nope On other hand this market can be very useful for things such as real estate deals & bank deals It can be beneficial for things such as an IBM working on a project for a client and client don't like the idea. They both deposit money in escrow and IBM starts working on that project. After a month they reassess to see if new project brought profit to client company. Once client sees the benefit money will be taken out from the escrow and it'll be released to IBM. Big companies, Big buyers, Big sellers. They would love this "double deposit" and I don't think it's really meant for day to day user who is living in poverty time. Just my few cents. On the contrary, you are wrong... For example as an employer on a freelancing marketplace, I don't give a shit about your skills as a freelancer with no good feedback. I'm looking for somebody who is TRUSTING his skill and is dedicated to finish the work in time and deliver as advertised. For example as a seller, I won't sell you shit if you don't have a proper feedback and you are willing to pay trough paypal. I won't take that chargeback chance. For example as a buyer, I will pay an escrow fee just be sure that your cell phone is working as advertised. That won't be a problem. You are WRONG. You are looking from a "scammer" perspective. "Is he willing to do that? Ofc not if he's not a honest person" I get it, there are sellers and buyer who can't afford escrow service. So what? Does that make the service "good for nothing"? That's plain STUPID!!!! Stop looking from that perspective, and be creative. On top of that, stop thinking short time. "Look, the volatility...." Gosh... Fine, as someone looking for job I would just use Odesk where I don't have to risk "money" in order to apply for a job. See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow. The main reason people buy something on Ebay is because they don't have money to buy same thing at higher price in store. That means if they want to buy $300 cellphone they DON'T have $600. I never said it's useless. I said I don't think it's mandatory and it's probably used as precaution when you're making big deal with a buyer who is in different country than you are. Nobody will hire you with no feedback on Odesk. That's my point. Nobody will buy from you on ebay with low feedback. Etc. "See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow." You are really stupid just by writing this. As a freelancer you are making YOUR money by doing various jobs for employers. Gosh. BTW, the main reason people buy something on Ebay is because it's cheaper, not because they don't have money. Are you stupid? How the fuck can you say that somebody is buying things on ebay because they don't have money to buy at higher price? Are you that type? "Mneah, I'm not going to buy this cheap cell phone because I afford to pay twice the price for the same phone in the same condition somewhere else" Dude. Calm the fck down. I have more bay than you can possibly imagine so no need to act childish & call names. I know you want Bay to reach $1 so you can run away with your profit and you'll bash anyone who questions anything but many of us ARE not looking to run away with profit and we do see future in Bay and proper discussion is required in order to achieve that success. I'm putting you in ignore list just for acting like 2 yrs old )))))))))))))))))))))))))) yes, you have... send me 1 bay from an address who have at least 2kk bay on it, and I'll send you 50k bay back. Post your address. I'm more than happy to send you 1 bay and you better send 50k in return. May be try reading previous posts of person you're talking to. BEHWHFbjrfa1NefCvNEKF1vXYaxRMiEAQu Your turn B8PnPf2AbyhRFpMrTU4WbsVW1sXevUh2hv Is this a fucking joke? 25,693 bay? )))))))) GTFO Seems you don't even know what 2kk means right? That means 2.000.000 BAY |
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@qawzsx : Why I'm here ? Probably because i own some BitBays, followed the project because i found the concept interesting, now I'm kind of genuinely concerned about the business model of the Decentralized MarketPlace and how the Escrow System works because it will be the backbone of the system.
Personnaly i think the adoption and wide use of the coin is essential to its developement.
And we haven't even talked about volatility of BitBay and this problem combined with the escrow time regarding Vendor and Buyer...
Seller & Buyer will be able to set their own escrow amount. Double deposit was just an example ( I think) lol. I hope it's not mandatory because that can come bite your ass when marketplace launches. I'm really not sure how it would benefit small time sellers/buyers. Freelancer: Would the guy who is looking for job really deposit money before applying for job? No, I don't think so. Buyer: Would they deposit $2000 for something that costs $1000 just so they can avoid $5 fees from Paypal? Nope Seller: Would seller deposit more money than what is needed in order to avoid fees? Nope Lawyer: Would he deposit money before client hires him? Nope On other hand this market can be very useful for things such as real estate deals & bank deals It can be beneficial for things such as an IBM working on a project for a client and client don't like the idea. They both deposit money in escrow and IBM starts working on that project. After a month they reassess to see if new project brought profit to client company. Once client sees the benefit money will be taken out from the escrow and it'll be released to IBM. Big companies, Big buyers, Big sellers. They would love this "double deposit" and I don't think it's really meant for day to day user who is living in poverty time. Just my few cents. On the contrary, you are wrong... For example as an employer on a freelancing marketplace, I don't give a shit about your skills as a freelancer with no good feedback. I'm looking for somebody who is TRUSTING his skill and is dedicated to finish the work in time and deliver as advertised. For example as a seller, I won't sell you shit if you don't have a proper feedback and you are willing to pay trough paypal. I won't take that chargeback chance. For example as a buyer, I will pay an escrow fee just be sure that your cell phone is working as advertised. That won't be a problem. You are WRONG. You are looking from a "scammer" perspective. "Is he willing to do that? Ofc not if he's not a honest person" I get it, there are sellers and buyer who can't afford escrow service. So what? Does that make the service "good for nothing"? That's plain STUPID!!!! Stop looking from that perspective, and be creative. On top of that, stop thinking short time. "Look, the volatility...." Gosh... Fine, as someone looking for job I would just use Odesk where I don't have to risk "money" in order to apply for a job. See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow. The main reason people buy something on Ebay is because they don't have money to buy same thing at higher price in store. That means if they want to buy $300 cellphone they DON'T have $600. I never said it's useless. I said I don't think it's mandatory and it's probably used as precaution when you're making big deal with a buyer who is in different country than you are. Nobody will hire you with no feedback on Odesk. That's my point. Nobody will buy from you on ebay with low feedback. Etc. "See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow." You are really stupid just by writing this. As a freelancer you are making YOUR money by doing various jobs for employers. Gosh. BTW, the main reason people buy something on Ebay is because it's cheaper, not because they don't have money. Are you stupid? How the fuck can you say that somebody is buying things on ebay because they don't have money to buy at higher price? Are you that type? "Mneah, I'm not going to buy this cheap cell phone because I afford to pay twice the price for the same phone in the same condition somewhere else" Dude. Calm the fck down. I have more bay than you can possibly imagine so no need to act childish & call names. I know you want Bay to reach $1 so you can run away with your profit and you'll bash anyone who questions anything but many of us ARE not looking to run away with profit and we do see future in Bay and proper discussion is required in order to achieve that success. I'm putting you in ignore list just for acting like 2 yrs old )))))))))))))))))))))))))) yes, you have... send me 1 bay from an address who have at least 2kk bay on it, and I'll send you 50k bay back. Post your address. I'm more than happy to send you 1 bay and you better send 50k in return. May be try reading previous posts of person you're talking to. BEHWHFbjrfa1NefCvNEKF1vXYaxRMiEAQu |
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Nobody will hire you with no feedback on Odesk. That's my point. Nobody will buy from you on ebay with low feedback. Etc.
That's completely false, I have actually used both ebay and Odesk as seller of product/service, both starting from 0 feedback, and easily sold my product/service. Sure the profit/price was lower in the beginning while I'm establishing my reputation, but it's false to say "nobody" will buy from you when you have 0 feedback. I know, I wanted to use the same kind of approach "ABSOLUTELY NOT". He approached the service in the same way - like nobody will pay the escrow service for extra protection. |
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@qawzsx : Why I'm here ? Probably because i own some BitBays, followed the project because i found the concept interesting, now I'm kind of genuinely concerned about the business model of the Decentralized MarketPlace and how the Escrow System works because it will be the backbone of the system.
Personnaly i think the adoption and wide use of the coin is essential to its developement.
And we haven't even talked about volatility of BitBay and this problem combined with the escrow time regarding Vendor and Buyer...
Seller & Buyer will be able to set their own escrow amount. Double deposit was just an example ( I think) lol. I hope it's not mandatory because that can come bite your ass when marketplace launches. I'm really not sure how it would benefit small time sellers/buyers. Freelancer: Would the guy who is looking for job really deposit money before applying for job? No, I don't think so. Buyer: Would they deposit $2000 for something that costs $1000 just so they can avoid $5 fees from Paypal? Nope Seller: Would seller deposit more money than what is needed in order to avoid fees? Nope Lawyer: Would he deposit money before client hires him? Nope On other hand this market can be very useful for things such as real estate deals & bank deals It can be beneficial for things such as an IBM working on a project for a client and client don't like the idea. They both deposit money in escrow and IBM starts working on that project. After a month they reassess to see if new project brought profit to client company. Once client sees the benefit money will be taken out from the escrow and it'll be released to IBM. Big companies, Big buyers, Big sellers. They would love this "double deposit" and I don't think it's really meant for day to day user who is living in poverty time. Just my few cents. On the contrary, you are wrong... For example as an employer on a freelancing marketplace, I don't give a shit about your skills as a freelancer with no good feedback. I'm looking for somebody who is TRUSTING his skill and is dedicated to finish the work in time and deliver as advertised. For example as a seller, I won't sell you shit if you don't have a proper feedback and you are willing to pay trough paypal. I won't take that chargeback chance. For example as a buyer, I will pay an escrow fee just be sure that your cell phone is working as advertised. That won't be a problem. You are WRONG. You are looking from a "scammer" perspective. "Is he willing to do that? Ofc not if he's not a honest person" I get it, there are sellers and buyer who can't afford escrow service. So what? Does that make the service "good for nothing"? That's plain STUPID!!!! Stop looking from that perspective, and be creative. On top of that, stop thinking short time. "Look, the volatility...." Gosh... Fine, as someone looking for job I would just use Odesk where I don't have to risk "money" in order to apply for a job. See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow. The main reason people buy something on Ebay is because they don't have money to buy same thing at higher price in store. That means if they want to buy $300 cellphone they DON'T have $600. I never said it's useless. I said I don't think it's mandatory and it's probably used as precaution when you're making big deal with a buyer who is in different country than you are. Nobody will hire you with no feedback on Odesk. That's my point. Nobody will buy from you on ebay with low feedback. Etc. "See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow." You are really stupid just by writing this. As a freelancer you are making YOUR money by doing various jobs for employers. Gosh. BTW, the main reason people buy something on Ebay is because it's cheaper, not because they don't have money. Are you stupid? How the fuck can you say that somebody is buying things on ebay because they don't have money to buy at higher price? Are you that type? "Mneah, I'm not going to buy this cheap cell phone because I afford to pay twice the price for the same phone in the same condition somewhere else" Dude. Calm the fck down. I have more bay than you can possibly imagine so no need to act childish & call names. I know you want Bay to reach $1 so you can run away with your profit and you'll bash anyone who questions anything but many of us ARE not looking to run away with profit and we do see future in Bay and proper discussion is required in order to achieve that success. I'm putting you in ignore list just for acting like 2 yrs old )))))))))))))))))))))))))) yes, you have... send me 1 bay from an address who have at least 2kk bay on it, and I'll send you 50k bay back. |
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@qawzsx : Why I'm here ? Probably because i own some BitBays, followed the project because i found the concept interesting, now I'm kind of genuinely concerned about the business model of the Decentralized MarketPlace and how the Escrow System works because it will be the backbone of the system.
Personnaly i think the adoption and wide use of the coin is essential to its developement.
And we haven't even talked about volatility of BitBay and this problem combined with the escrow time regarding Vendor and Buyer...
Seller & Buyer will be able to set their own escrow amount. Double deposit was just an example ( I think) lol. I hope it's not mandatory because that can come bite your ass when marketplace launches. I'm really not sure how it would benefit small time sellers/buyers. Freelancer: Would the guy who is looking for job really deposit money before applying for job? No, I don't think so. Buyer: Would they deposit $2000 for something that costs $1000 just so they can avoid $5 fees from Paypal? Nope Seller: Would seller deposit more money than what is needed in order to avoid fees? Nope Lawyer: Would he deposit money before client hires him? Nope On other hand this market can be very useful for things such as real estate deals & bank deals It can be beneficial for things such as an IBM working on a project for a client and client don't like the idea. They both deposit money in escrow and IBM starts working on that project. After a month they reassess to see if new project brought profit to client company. Once client sees the benefit money will be taken out from the escrow and it'll be released to IBM. Big companies, Big buyers, Big sellers. They would love this "double deposit" and I don't think it's really meant for day to day user who is living in poverty time. Just my few cents. On the contrary, you are wrong... For example as an employer on a freelancing marketplace, I don't give a shit about your skills as a freelancer with no good feedback. I'm looking for somebody who is TRUSTING his skill and is dedicated to finish the work in time and deliver as advertised. For example as a seller, I won't sell you shit if you don't have a proper feedback and you are willing to pay trough paypal. I won't take that chargeback chance. For example as a buyer, I will pay an escrow fee just be sure that your cell phone is working as advertised. That won't be a problem. You are WRONG. You are looking from a "scammer" perspective. "Is he willing to do that? Ofc not if he's not a honest person" I get it, there are sellers and buyer who can't afford escrow service. So what? Does that make the service "good for nothing"? That's plain STUPID!!!! Stop looking from that perspective, and be creative. On top of that, stop thinking short time. "Look, the volatility...." Gosh... You dumb fuck, if you are not the organizer of this scam and not one of the dumpers, in other words if you are just an idiot who beleives in the fairy tale of 1 billion $ business, then just shut the fuck up, because you are arguing so hard that for this scam that it is getting embarrassing. If you are one of the organizers of this scam, then there is at least a rational explanation why you are arguing so hard, but in this case still shut the fuck up, because we got your point that Bitbay will take on eBay ... yeah it will. GTFO useless maggot. Go cry somewhere else cause you're poor and stupid and cause you played all your hands like an idiot and lost a lots of money. Don't go berserk on every project out there just cause you're a complete IDIOT. The only scam right here is the fact that you have been born into this life. All you write on this forums is "scam scam scam scam scam..." all day long like a retard... That's why you're a poor fucktard, cause you don't have time for your low life. Do something constructive for yourself and stop acting like an old fart who is angry on everybody out there for no fucking reason at all. We had enough of your rants... |
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@qawzsx : Why I'm here ? Probably because i own some BitBays, followed the project because i found the concept interesting, now I'm kind of genuinely concerned about the business model of the Decentralized MarketPlace and how the Escrow System works because it will be the backbone of the system.
Personnaly i think the adoption and wide use of the coin is essential to its developement.
And we haven't even talked about volatility of BitBay and this problem combined with the escrow time regarding Vendor and Buyer...
Seller & Buyer will be able to set their own escrow amount. Double deposit was just an example ( I think) lol. I hope it's not mandatory because that can come bite your ass when marketplace launches. I'm really not sure how it would benefit small time sellers/buyers. Freelancer: Would the guy who is looking for job really deposit money before applying for job? No, I don't think so. Buyer: Would they deposit $2000 for something that costs $1000 just so they can avoid $5 fees from Paypal? Nope Seller: Would seller deposit more money than what is needed in order to avoid fees? Nope Lawyer: Would he deposit money before client hires him? Nope On other hand this market can be very useful for things such as real estate deals & bank deals It can be beneficial for things such as an IBM working on a project for a client and client don't like the idea. They both deposit money in escrow and IBM starts working on that project. After a month they reassess to see if new project brought profit to client company. Once client sees the benefit money will be taken out from the escrow and it'll be released to IBM. Big companies, Big buyers, Big sellers. They would love this "double deposit" and I don't think it's really meant for day to day user who is living in poverty time. Just my few cents. On the contrary, you are wrong... For example as an employer on a freelancing marketplace, I don't give a shit about your skills as a freelancer with no good feedback. I'm looking for somebody who is TRUSTING his skill and is dedicated to finish the work in time and deliver as advertised. For example as a seller, I won't sell you shit if you don't have a proper feedback and you are willing to pay trough paypal. I won't take that chargeback chance. For example as a buyer, I will pay an escrow fee just be sure that your cell phone is working as advertised. That won't be a problem. You are WRONG. You are looking from a "scammer" perspective. "Is he willing to do that? Ofc not if he's not a honest person" I get it, there are sellers and buyer who can't afford escrow service. So what? Does that make the service "good for nothing"? That's plain STUPID!!!! Stop looking from that perspective, and be creative. On top of that, stop thinking short time. "Look, the volatility...." Gosh... Fine, as someone looking for job I would just use Odesk where I don't have to risk "money" in order to apply for a job. See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow. The main reason people buy something on Ebay is because they don't have money to buy same thing at higher price in store. That means if they want to buy $300 cellphone they DON'T have $600. I never said it's useless. I said I don't think it's mandatory and it's probably used as precaution when you're making big deal with a buyer who is in different country than you are. Nobody will hire you with no feedback on Odesk. That's my point. Nobody will buy from you on ebay with low feedback. Etc. "See..what you don't understand is that if I have the money. Why would I look for job? or if I have $600 why would I buy something that costs $300? It makes more sense to just visit Ebay or other store and buy one that costs $500 instead of throwing double money in escrow." You are really stupid just by writing this. As a freelancer you are making YOUR money by doing various jobs for employers. Gosh. BTW, the main reason people buy something on Ebay is because it's cheaper, not because they don't have money. Are you stupid? How the fuck can you say that somebody is buying things on ebay because they don't have money to buy at higher price? Are you that type? "Mneah, I'm not going to buy this cheap cell phone because I afford to pay twice the price for the same phone in the same condition somewhere else" |
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@qawzsx : Why I'm here ? Probably because i own some BitBays, followed the project because i found the concept interesting, now I'm kind of genuinely concerned about the business model of the Decentralized MarketPlace and how the Escrow System works because it will be the backbone of the system.
Personnaly i think the adoption and wide use of the coin is essential to its developement.
And we haven't even talked about volatility of BitBay and this problem combined with the escrow time regarding Vendor and Buyer...
Seller & Buyer will be able to set their own escrow amount. Double deposit was just an example ( I think) lol. I hope it's not mandatory because that can come bite your ass when marketplace launches. I'm really not sure how it would benefit small time sellers/buyers. Freelancer: Would the guy who is looking for job really deposit money before applying for job? No, I don't think so. Buyer: Would they deposit $2000 for something that costs $1000 just so they can avoid $5 fees from Paypal? Nope Seller: Would seller deposit more money than what is needed in order to avoid fees? Nope Lawyer: Would he deposit money before client hires him? Nope On other hand this market can be very useful for things such as real estate deals & bank deals It can be beneficial for things such as an IBM working on a project for a client and client don't like the idea. They both deposit money in escrow and IBM starts working on that project. After a month they reassess to see if new project brought profit to client company. Once client sees the benefit money will be taken out from the escrow and it'll be released to IBM. Big companies, Big buyers, Big sellers. They would love this "double deposit" and I don't think it's really meant for day to day user who is living in poverty time. Just my few cents. On the contrary, you are wrong... For example as an employer on a freelancing marketplace, I don't give a shit about your skills as a freelancer with no good feedback. I'm looking for somebody who is TRUSTING his skill and is dedicated to finish the work in time and deliver as advertised. For example as a seller, I won't sell you shit if you don't have a proper feedback and you are willing to pay trough paypal. I won't take that chargeback chance. For example as a buyer, I will pay an escrow fee just be sure that your cell phone is working as advertised. That won't be a problem. You are WRONG. You are looking from a "scammer" perspective. "Is he willing to do that? Ofc not if he's not a honest person" I get it, there are sellers and buyer who can't afford escrow service. So what? Does that make the service "good for nothing"? That's plain STUPID!!!! Stop looking from that perspective, and be creative. On top of that, stop thinking short time. "Look, the volatility...." Gosh... |
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@qawzsx : Why I'm here ? Probably because i own some BitBays, followed the project because i found the concept interesting, now I'm kind of genuinely concerned about the business model of the Decentralized MarketPlace and how the Escrow System works because it will be the backbone of the system.
Personnaly i think the adoption and wide use of the coin is essential to its developement.
And we haven't even talked about volatility of BitBay and this problem combined with the escrow time regarding Vendor and Buyer...
You gotta stop thinking short term. The project just started and you already talk volatility? That's just wrong. Escrow time? Well, that depends on how good the seller and buyer does the job. Imagine having such a detailed ranking system (feedback system). This is just a start. The system can be adapted in time. It can work with other coins too for example and only take the fees in BitBay, it can provide an advanced ranking system for sellers and buyers which in time can make a deal without using the escrow system, etc. The market and usability for this kind of service is huge. Take all the "mini" deals out there. |
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for me it is like shooting yourself in the foot...
Come again? Why are you even here? You made your point. You are short sighted...you think very short term, etc... |
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There is no marketplace who can target all types of sellers/buyers out there...
Yes, there will be buyers/sellers who can't afford it. Where is the problem? There are people on this earth who can't afford clean water. Does it make clean water useless?
Your point is plain stupid.
You are thinking from a scammer perspective. Legit traders will love to have a decentralized escrow system on top of a ranked system. There are tons of traders who make their living from this "business", buying/selling stuff on the internet.
Let's just say his point is "not well thought out"... it's not stupid, as he appears to be working through issues he sees in it... which is part of the process regardless. As for the second point... I know I am (excited that is). I agree that direct sales may not always be profitable to handle via DD escrow contracts... but that's fine. If I can deal with international vendors and manufacturers for goods which are difficult/impossible to purchase in quantity without going through large, prohibitive distributor agreements, even if I then wind up having to sell them online through other/traditional means... at least I didn't have to prove $1M+ in annual sales before being allowed to play in their pool. (And that amount is pretty common among the larger distributor networks). Who knows if that will actually become a reality... but with this it seems to be a remote possibility... which is better than what we have today IMO. Well, you don't go and ask for an escrow transaction when buying from a 1000+ feedback seller on ebay or alibaba anyway. Those kind of sellers are pretty much covered. The point is that this kind of service is not targeting those kinds of sellers/buyers. Saying that it's gonna kill itself, it's wrong. There is a very large market out there in need for such a service. If marketed properly, this can touch ~1 mil users in 2 years if working as advertised. I don't want some paypal/credit card chargeback problems when selling my digital goods online for example. Digital gaming resell market is huge. And that's only one. - freelancing services - books - clothing - collectibles - tickets - digital goods (music, software licenses, games, audiobooks, games currencies, etc) - second hand car parts (cheaper ones) - electronics (cheaper ones) - computer parts - domains and a lot more which I'm too lazy to think of. The market is huge. My point of view |
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