Hi, We've added SWING to our new multipool: www.zpool.caCheers! Great thanks! Do you support automated conversion to Swing? Or just selling swing for btc? Either way, thanks for helping us get more supporting infrastructure. The more miner outlets the better. |
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The sell pressure on this coin is just ridiculous. I giggle-snort as I top up daily from my stakes and cheap buys.
Why is it that people cannot realize an obviously good thing and keep collecting daily pocket change on this coin.
This coin is so undervalued its not funny. The coin specs, low supply and the dev's willingness to work since launch suggest it should be trading miles above where it is now but it keeps being slow dumped by miners and stakers who do not have a clue what they are selling for peanuts. Tripping over dollars to pick up pennies.
These people will all look back at their sell history one day and bleed. Me, I'll keep accumulating until its 10x the current price at an absolute minimum before I sell off even a fraction of my holdings.
I try not to comment on this type of thing, but it really is a bit amusing you're right. For some perspectiveCurrent Supply: 445,537 SWING Last traded price: 2,500 Satoshis Market Cap @ last price: 11.11 BTC (worth of entire supply) Cost to get to 10,000 Sats: 0.8155 BTC Cost to get to 116,700 Sats: 6.85 BTC (4,568% price increase from last trade) Small market cap / volume coins are funny like this. Getting miners auto converting to Swing soon will be a fun ride at this rate. |
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Alright I heard back from steakcloud. He asked for more information and told me: Once reviewed swing will be added to the waiting list and can take anywhere from 1 week to a moth to be added as a supported coin. Well even though it's not immediate its still good news, and still time to maybe pick up a dump or two more. Yup. It's a step in the right direction. Also, still no word from CoinKing. I'll try additional methods of contact. BTW I made a payment today with coinpayments, and I noticed it's not one of the supported currencies. Would that not be an idea? I thought about this a while after you posted. My first thought was, why not cant hurt right? But then I thought about it more. What does coin payments really do? Unless I'm mistaken, they accept their supported alts and convert them so people can make purchases right? So, all it does is add more automated sell pressure if people use the service. I suppose the idea is that with added adoption and usability like that it would increase buy pressure from people using the coin... but... let's be real here.. odds are people wont be buying up alts to spend them unless they are getting a heck of a deal. If you guys think this will do good for the coin we can request it, but those are my initial thoughts. I'll go with what the general consensus seems to be. On a side note..I'll be trying to contact CoinKing again tonight. So far I've emailed them and tweeted at them. I'll send some more tweets, maybe another email, and see if I can PM them on bitcointalk or something. If you guys can find additional methods of contact it will help. We'll get our multipool soon enough! Eventually when it's not profitable to mine Swing during low rewards miners will be automatically buying up swing instead of mining. I think that's the point where things will pick up pace. |
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Alright I heard back from steakcloud. He asked for more information and told me: Once reviewed swing will be added to the waiting list and can take anywhere from 1 week to a moth to be added as a supported coin. Well even though it's not immediate its still good news, and still time to maybe pick up a dump or two more. Yup. It's a step in the right direction. Also, still no word from CoinKing. I'll try additional methods of contact. |
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Alright I heard back from steakcloud. He asked for more information and told me: Once reviewed swing will be added to the waiting list and can take anywhere from 1 week to a moth to be added as a supported coin. |
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Yes, but is SWING confirmed to be one of them?
Not yet, but he is certainly giving us room to speculate. |
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If we can get automatic conversion to Swing the selling will be alleviated by quite a bit I would think.
An algo change is a big deal. I decided to stay with SHA256 because there are many more miners using it and that makes them more likely to try mining Swing (rather than some obscure algo that not many know how to even use).
Good discussion topic though.
I just sent another email to CoinKing. Hoping to hear back from one of them soon.
Has there been a request made to be added to Steakcloud also? I think you are right about that most of the sell pressure will be alleviated with automatic conversion. Yup. I've emailed and tweeted both of them. https://twitter.com/CryptoPumpInfo/status/664288114345668608Followup pressure from the community will only help. |
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Could someone post newest nodes? I have currently only one connection.  46.105.39.103 74.120.220.54 195.154.223.134 104.128.237.158 59.100.29.2 104.236.29.198 192.95.29.153 198.50.217.13 78.0.60.170 54.209.49.228 Thank you kind Sir! Now I have more connections.  Thanks Nikkers |
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If we can get automatic conversion to Swing the selling will be alleviated by quite a bit I would think.
An algo change is a big deal. I decided to stay with SHA256 because there are many more miners using it and that makes them more likely to try mining Swing (rather than some obscure algo that not many know how to even use).
Good discussion topic though.
I just sent another email to CoinKing. Hoping to hear back from one of them soon.
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Could someone post newest nodes? I have currently only one connection. Sounds like you're connected to the seed node and should populate more connections soon after. Did you get more yet? |
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If you want to see this happen do me a favor and help push for it! Re-tweets, favorites, comments, emails, and new tweets all help! |
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Quote from: zazarb on Today at 12:47:59 AM
maybe stupid question, or staked reward depending for OS and pc system performance? it seems to me after I launch swing wallet in old laptop with Windows xp rewards quantity per day decrease.
Not a stupid question. I suppose it's a possibility but I do not know for sure. I could only make guesses. Is it a significant change? You also need to factor in your weight and net weight. If you sent your coins over the blockchain rather than file transfer that would have destroyed your weight. If everyone started staking again that would make it harder to break blocks too.
I did not do for estimating, I get above the 10 staked reward per day, and not make any transaction in this period and total swing quantity just increase. Are you saying your rewards increased after you moved them to a new platform? Or decreased? If increased that's normal. It takes a little time for weight to get rolling. |
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not sure if you've heard of these guys http://steakcloud.com/ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1178345.0but they have added a few coins to multipool recently, Steps being one example, and they also pay out in the currency of your choice......so they would mine other stuff with various algo's etc and sell those coins and buy swing to use for payouts. maybe worth a look into  Looks solid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZecupoig8I sent them a request Hello, Developer of Swing here. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164721.0) We're looking for a multipool that will let us auto-convert to swing. Ideally keeping the option to mine swing directly in case it's more profitable at the time. (That way Swing miners can switch to primarily mining on the multipool) We are currently pushing for CoinKing to do this, they are mining it but don't offer auto conversion to swing. One of our community members suggested SteakCloud and it seems to be a solid solution too. It's my expectation that whoever provides this first will become the primary swing pool from this point on. Thanks for your time! |
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I've noticed some data errors in the chart on TrySwing.com (on my end at least). Reaching out to the dev to take a look. Please note the network is operating as expected, it's the chart that is potentially a little off at the moment. maybe stupid question, or staked reward depending for OS and pc system performance? it seems to me after I launch swing wallet in old laptop with Windows xp rewards quantity per day decrease.
Not a stupid question. I suppose it's a possibility but I do not know for sure. I could only make guesses. Is it a significant change? You also need to factor in your weight and net weight. If you sent your coins over the blockchain rather than file transfer that would have destroyed your weight. If everyone started staking again that would make it harder to break blocks too. A multipool that pays in SWING would be very nice. Good radio show btw. lovely low prices So i've been digging into this some. I know One community member spoke about trying to make one. I've been looking into guides and it seems like a bit of a challenge. Sometimes the simple solution is the best. CoinKing.io does profit switching and lets you choose which coin you want to be paid out in. It seems you don't even need an account anymore, (unless you want extra stats) you just point your miners and include your payout adddress. They have added Swing as a mining option in their rotation, meaning they are currently mining Swing when it gets profitable and selling it off for other coins automatically. However, they do not currently offer Swing payouts.. If they did, we could point our miners at CoinKing dominantly, and in theory since Swing is in the rotation it will switch between mining swing directly or other alts and converting into swing. This would add some nice Buy pressure to the market (instead of just sell pressure) and increase the profitability of miners. The automated buys and sells would create some nice default movement in the markets for traders to play with as well. I think we should push for this as a community. It's the quick, easy, and reputable solution. |
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Even better multi-pool & auto-exchange module is being developed which once completed will allow you to setup pools that can pay users in any crypto-currency that can be traded over exchanges. Hey dev, wonderful project you've got going here. I just discovered it. I was wondering if it's still being actively developed or if it's mostly in the hands of community pull requests at this point? Specifically, I need a service with the feature listed above. Wondering where Coinium stands with this. |
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Swing is a great coin, I'm really enjoying its unique concept. A feature I would REALLY LOVE to see in a future wallet upgrade is that the main window can be resized and put to full screen. Another great feature would be if we could clear the orphans in the list. Dev, pretty please?  +1 The 'clear orphans' feature would be really great as I get many of them lately....... I concur. It drives me nuts that I can't maximize the wallet screen. Also been getting a lot of orphans lately. Thanks for the input guys! I'm happy to see the community chatting about what needs to be done. The couple posts and some of the discussion from the radio show got me thinking about communication and project management. We need a good clean way for us to collaborate and progress as a whole. I don't have the perfect solution to this, but I decided to start organizing things a little. This page tracks what we are / want / need to do. It is open for comments, and anyone who asks will be given access to add new "cards". https://trello.com/b/RTj6sMTd/swingcoinConcerning maximizing the wallet:I actually hadn't realized this till you guys mentioned it. Thanks for doing so. We will have to poke around the code and see how to solve this. I can try to do so in my spare time but anyone with knowledge of the solution or skills to figure it out would help things along significantly by posting. We should be able to push a minor optional wallet alternative with minor updates like that. Concerning Orphans:While I like the idea of an option to clear out orphans in the list, I think it might be more of a challenge that initially expected for such a small feature. The real concern here isn't the history displaying orphans, it's the fact that there are orphans to begin with. Is the orphan rate excessive witch any of you? Or just occasional? We have spoken lightly as a community about a connectivity patch in the past. In short, some people experience out of sync issues when reconnecting to the network. We dug into this and found the cause to be rounding errors. It's reasonable to assume the cause for some orphans could be the same problem. In short the fix for this requires doing the reward math a little differently (with the same outcome) and versioning up the core code. Doing this is an intentional fork, and comes with strain on the network and stress for all of us. Given the minor nature of the issues and the relative stability of the blockchain I've opted to delay this patch till we started talking about additional core upgrades to push in bulk. I think now is a good time to bring this back up and start discussing it as a group. Again, thanks for the feedback everyone. |
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what is the best way to coin control these coins any tips?
Here's all the discussion we've had so far on the topic. Personally I just put it in the wallet in bulk and let it split itself up.I've been experimenting with different input amounts to try and increase my relative weight. I've been trying to find an equilibrium between magnitude of inputs and size of inputs. I think, it may be more profitable to stake with multiple wallet when you have more than a few thousand swing. This is because of the nStakeCombineThreshold at "1000 * COIN." I think if it were amended, then there would be a reduced incentive for someone to run multiple wallets. This idea I have is under the assumption that running multiple wallets does not give someone an unfair advantage to receive staked rewards. If running multiple wallets through VMs does constitute an unfair advantage, then perhaps an amendment of the combine threshold would eliminate or even just reduced the incentive to do so. Then again multiple wallets would make the network stronger, as long as the owner's security is top notch.  This is actually some really interesting questioning and insight thank you for posting and digging into it a little. This is exactly the kind of discussion we need to work towards improving the core. To be honest I have not dug into that portion of the code very deeply. However, I have been under the impression that coins split into two inputs when they stake not combine. Are you under the impression that they recombine when you have more than 1k? Or am I completely mistaken here? Thanks for the discussion! Yes, if you have thousands of coins in the wallet, then they will split and then recombine depending on the number of inputs your wallet has. If you have a high number of inputs, then the wallet will recombine them in chunks of 1000 coins, and then proceed to split into two inputs from there. Here are some examples: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/swing/tx.dws?82948.htmhttps://chainz.cryptoid.info/swing/block.dws?50666.htmhttps://chainz.cryptoid.info/swing/block.dws?50657.htmIf you were inclined to change the nStakeCombineThreshold in a future wallet release, it could be found at the top of the wallet.cpp file. I think the problem with such a low amount of coins to combine can be disadvantageous to those with more than one thousand coins in their wallet because the transactions that combine your inputs destroys over 1000 stake weight and te new weight climbs more slowly. On the other hand, it gives an advantage to those with lower amounts of coins because they can achieve a closer to full stake weight with their smaller inputs, and they wan also create as many inputs as the'd like. Although, the probability that you will hit a staked block increases with input size, so that may be the reason for the slower accumulation of weight in relation to input size. I think if the nStakeCombineThreshold were increased to somewhere between 2500-5000 in a future release, then it would be more fair to those with medium size wallets, considering the low supply of coins. Once the supply of Swing is in the multimillions, it may make sense to adjust it down. jmho I've been doing some testing with wallets that have around 600-700 each. They still will combine the inputs even the the nStakeCombineThreshold is 1000. Does anyone know why that is?
Just guesswork and theory here, but I would assume that it's not advantageous to allow staking inputs to get too small. I had the inputs at 100 for some and 200 for other wallets. I still have two running with 600 each and they have weights of 962 and 888. They both have already staked once each, splitting an input of 200. I also am experimenting with two other wallets with 200 in each. The first has one input of 200. The other has five inputs of 20 an ten inputs of 10. So far I've found that weight climbs faster for larger inputs. I was under the impression that more and smaller inputs gained weight faster, but maybe I was wrong. Weight does climb faster for larger inputs by the way. We found that out the hard way back in Greed when I tried to launch with 10 seed coins. Didn't go well.  |
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Just a reminder that I will be live on Supernet Radio tomorrow to talk about swing! I didn't get a chance to tune in. How did the show go murderouskirk? I think it went pretty well actually. We talked about Swing, Crypto Community, the current state of the altcoin scene and more. For those that want to give it a listen over a cup of coffee: https://soundcloud.com/supernetradio/swingcoin |
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Just a reminder that I will be live on Supernet Radio tomorrow to talk about swing! |
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