I ordered two early on  because reasons, but they never responded to me for PayPal payment or otherwise.

Either they don’t want me to have it or they don’t like my free money. Shrug

Yeah, my perspective is anyone posting numbers of an incomplete project is more interested in bragging rights than real results.

Wow - yes this is NOT special pricing.

Give us a few days, early next week at the latest.

You’ll have to be more specific on algorithms, and the comm interface in your bitstreams.

Well, I’m willing to risk $500 to find out what this is all about, but I don’t know I wouldn’t encourage anyone to make this purchase. It is all the pieces of an elaborate scam, and all the attempts to send a review unit, get any independent confirmation, etc. are not happening.

I wouldn’t be surprised to hear in short order than their “factory” is suddenly not working with them because Bitmain and their bank has frozen assets.

There’s nothing that can’t be faked in a video.

I’d be really interested to see those claims be accurate. I feel like my cryptonight7 is pretty optimal and those numbers are just insane.

I’ll start a thread when I’m ready to post all the details - currently expecting that to be about 2-3 weeks.

I’ve got everyone that PM’d me in a list for first dibs, and I’ll be replying with early details soon.

I think you’re right in that Intel is farther along. They’ve already implemented HBM (or rather MCDRAM) in KNL and have the interposer experience.

I should clarify I don’t think HBM is being abandoned, but it is being relegated to higher cost cards and GDDR6 is taking over in the mass production end. I remember buying 100 Fury X’s in 2015 and having the serial numbers be hand written and I think they incremented maybe a few thousand over the year I accumulated mine.

Read the rest of senseless’ comment - no one actually has 100kh cryptonight on one chip. He was making a commentary on how whole coins are making fork decisions based on comments in this post.

Both Xilinx and Intel are failing to sample or ship HBM chips announced more than six months ago. I don’t think that HBM is coming at mainstream prices in FPGAs anytime soon - even AMD and Nvidia are moving away from it in consumer products.

Whoosh

It would be impressive if that’s a VU9P, seeing as how that volume of the card doesn’t even exist.

Edit: Read the Tensority algorithm, as I was excited for the idea of proof of useful work rather than endless hashing to no purpose. Sad to see that is all the ‘marketing’ piece, and the actual algorithm is more meaningless calculations.

I know you’re poking to get reactions, but to be serious without sharing things I cannot - some of us have been in business discussions about this market and plans in it with many large players for quite some time. Anyone who thinks every company named is not reading this thread is quite mistaken.

Regarding companies private plans, none of which I have presented or revealed here, nor will I. You would do well enough just actually researching what is public in various corners of the internet, developer forums, answers to questuons, publically announces deals and products, etc.

Every product Bitmain ships is torn apart and analyzed by many people world wide. If such a deal was occurring we would know.  I didn’t say it was impossible, just that we don’t see it happening and there are strong market reasons why it wouldn’t.

The best way to mediate the risk of centralization is a properly functioning free market. That may be an illusion, but the entry of more hardware capable of mining (and not just mining - also powering large participating nodes!) from more manufacturers is the best way I can think of to prevent centralized control. In a perfect world every toaster would brown the bread with a few hundred watts of hashes.

The way I see it the next generation of GPUs is likely to represent a major shift in capabilities much larger than previous years, due to GDDR6 and other factors. This will force an upgrade-or-die world on all existing GPU miners over time. The best possible scenario is a variety of competitive upgrade paths that spread out hash power and PoW amongst multiple technologies and manufacturers.

What is your proposal for traction?  Between what those of us with our own RTL have posted here, what I know of in private, and what is already in public repos I’m unaware of any algorithms for which there is already code written to run on FPGAs. Actions are being taken to make sure the community has access to various hardware options, at better pricing that’s has previously existed.

The developers who have forked explicitly over their algorithms being listed in this thread.

The economies of scale argument also applies to GPU based mining. For example, with modest capital I could easily build a host system supporting up to 128  GPUs  (since no one uses the PCIe for anything other than making them boot and comm that is lower than serial speed), supporting individually resetting and reinitializing them and all the benefits of smaller hosts, but at 5% of system cost instead of as much as 30%, and also provide power savings. The difference is Bitmain doesn’t represent enough demand to independently control the FPGA market, and the companies in that market are not going to sacrifice decades of high margin business for a short term cash play.

There is no down side for TSMC or commodity memory manufacturers to take big money for cheap part orders from Bitmain or any large player.. There is a downside for Xilinx/Intel flooding the market with cheap FPGAs. Similarly you don’t see NVIDIA and AMD letting Bitmain build custom mining GPUs with their chips at cheap prices. Companies with massive R&D into their chip products want to very carefully maintain control over markets to keep the balance between volume and margin exactly where it is most profitable.

ASICs are dominated by Bitmain, and the chips are made as cheap as possible because they have absolutely no use outside of cryptomining. Bitmain can dominate at this because of the relatively low R&D / time investment and pure volume plays on the supply chain.

FPGAs have broad uses in many industries, and two large companies produce high performance versions. Neither is trying to sell end user products, but taking essentially the same route as Nvidia and AMD albeit in a higher margin market. Many end product suppliers can exist.

If 100,000 miners want FPGAs they can have them, just like GPUs. After that they have useful lives in all sorts of data processing. They’re flexible, programmable, and efficient.

I’ve yet to have someone explain to me why they think FPGAs are so bad but GPUs are so good. If you have two sources for $350 devices with similar mining performance why is one inherently bad?

Location doesn’t really matter, the US just happens to have more RTL jobs in Verilog and Europe tends to have more in VHDL, so it makes sense to learn the skill that will be most useful for you long run.

As to all the algo/profit list - some you’ve listed red are actually green. With that said, anyone who wants to buy a board to just plug in an launch a miner isn’t the target for this thread. Those who want to be on the bleeding edge and get involved while making return and profit on their hardware are best suited.

FPGA resistance and ASIC resistance are also not the same thing, both philosophically and in practice.

Finally, at least personally I have zero interest in inciting people to go out and buy random or specific FPGAs right now sight unseen. The device I’ve personally got I developed for myself, and anyone looking at chip and component costs will see that it’s true when I say I’m making it available near cost. I think I’ve explained clearly what it is designed to do, and I’m not asking anyone to buy it sight unseen. I’ve specifically declined to provide performance stats until they’re verified on the final shipping hardware and not design verification boards.

The VCU1525 is a Xilinx board that whitefire990 did his development work for. Xilinx sells that board themselves - no one here profits from inciting people to buy that board.

This is crypto - everyone needs to make their own calculations and risk decisions. I’d simply hate to see you dissuade someone from something they are interested in based on arm chair conjecture. The hardware world moves slowly - the only thing needed is patience for your proof.

If you’re in the US learn Verilog - Europe learn VHDL. Or learn both, Logic is more important.

@r0land you once mentioned 64GH Cryptonight(v7?) . Care to comment on that further? What exact hardware?