lol,keep dreaming 14K cryptonight miner
i will see big joke
And I keep laughing at you. |
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Dude it's true?
It can't be true! Due to memory bandwidth limitation. There is a lot of many FPGA-mining manipulations last time, IMHO it's only a marketing strategy of some dev-kits distribution corps. I searched and sourced in forums. Cards support only 2 algorithms. Only crpytonote v1 and lyra2 That’s not the case at all, those are two we can speak to. Dozens of developers are working on more algorithms, and I expect most of WhatToMine.com to be covered around shipment. only if i could buy one of those FPGA's to mine keccak... but i think i will wait until this tech goes more "mainstream" and the fpga's with their software are more accessible Care to clarify? All the support for Keccak is out now. |
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Another thing everyone should keep in mind - having 5000 of these out there now performing 10x a GPU each for a couple hundred watts also means that there will be a ton of developer interest and bitstreams + miners targeting these devices. It’s equivalent to 50k GPUs.
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Dude it's true?
It can't be true! Due to memory bandwidth limitation. There is a lot of many FPGA-mining manipulations last time, IMHO it's only a marketing strategy of some dev-kits distribution corps. I searched and sourced in forums. Cards support only 2 algorithms. Only crpytonote v1 and lyra2 That’s not the case at all, those are two we can speak to. Dozens of developers are working on more algorithms, and I expect most of WhatToMine.com to be covered around shipment. |
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UPDATE:
Launch of sales for the VCU1525 blockchain edition are about to begin. To ensure that devices are distributed among the community we will be staggering the sales over time and placing a limit of 4 devices per order. Stock will be added in small quantities over arbitrary intervals until sales have completed. If you're not able to order your device immediately; it is recommended you check back over 10-15 minute intervals.
Orders will start at 4PM EST on June 7, 2018
I'm in the US. Is PayPal still an option or just crypto? Would be nice to do PayPal since the market might be going up, and I don't wanna miss out on them gainz. PayPal is just fine. VAT number should be optional, providing it lets us not charge you VAT. |
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90 day warranty is a big turnoff for a 3-4k USD item.
is there not a way to build in protection circuits to the device. i know the fpga will not self throttle (afaik) without specific bitstream support (maybe i have that wrong?) but surely there are ways to monitor critical sections of the cards (VRMs, FPGA, support chips, whatever) to downclock the device. i mean gpus are more or less bulletproof in that regard, why cant your card do the same.
seems the only thing outside of your control is ESD damage. that i can see as most miners probably ignore it.
at least offer an extended warranty for an added price.
180 days i could handle, 90 days, not so much. sounds almost like youre deliberately running beyond spec and cooling abilities and dont expect it to last.
no disrespect intended but self preservation seems like it should be built into high performance parts from day one.
EDIT btw not all miners abuse their rigs. my rigs lead a better life than my daily driver.. constant power (no cycling), better cooling, more checks for maintenance (temps, dust, cable conditions) etc.
Again - we are not building these cards, nor designing them. Xilinx provides what they provide. The reality is there is no magic clock that makes these boards go up into smoke in 90 days. They’re reliable, but fully controllable by the user and therefore can be abused and damaged through carelessness in ways that are impossible to tell from hardware failure. 90 days covers actual defective hardware. Regardless - here are the terms, no one forces you to buy. You must decide yourself. Sales should be live today, once we get green light. |
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limit to cryptonight :
there are 2160BRAM+960URAM in XCVU9P,you can use 38MB in big ram cascade mode,that is 19 core
each cryptonight hash need 1M memory read and write cycles.
if you remove all pipeline,you may get 100H @100MHz per core.
if you all pipeline to improve fmax,you will get slower hashrate.
it maybe very hard to run 100MHz with no pipeline.
assume it is 100MHz,19CORE, the max hashrate is 1900H/s.
if using extern DDR4,the limit is bandwidth,36MB per hash,each DDR4-2400 may get 533H/s,
but the cryptonight random access rate is 16byte ,memory random access rate is 128byte , the valid efficiency is 1/8
each DDR4-2400 may can get 66.6H/s,and 4 DDR4 you get 266H/s
the max theoretical cryptonight hashrate is 1900+266=2166 H/s
Don't dream to get 22KH/s
Wow you have no idea. In fact your maximum is so far below the basic achievable without any tricks that I now have zero confidence in anything you’ve posted. |
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Correct and these are not being designed and manufactured in secret, they can just as easily be forked away. And anyone that thinks because just their array can change on the fly does not understand the basic restrictions inherent in the design.
1. The supply chains to build these things are not infinite, and some lead time components stretch 42 weeks or more now. 2. You can not “fork away” from what’s coming in the FPGA world. There is exactly one piece - memory bandwidth - left, and it will be solved with in the year. It is already in the works. OK, so your point 1 is making my point from above that they are not being made in secret and you point 2 is just wrong. Bandwidth is but one component and GPU's are not even Memory Bandwidth limited yet and when they are there is a thing called a bus that can be increased. Your arguments on memory can all be applied to any processing unit so your running on circular logic with that argument when it comes to a advantage one process has over another. Sure Programmable dies are not eproms anymore but what differentiates them from hard coded substrate is what makes it impossible for them to ever be on a even level. I am not arguing that they have not made great strides but you are in a fantasy land here if you think they can ever compete evenly. This is just a foolish statement, it's about curtailing future centralization such as what we see with bitcoin. Lose the hyperbole. We tend to play the long game and are not the fools in this scene that can be manipulated like your off the cuff suggestion. You might be able to catch some redditt fools on that but not here. This has been a ongoing discussion since day one and in no way shape or form came as a surprise, as a matter of fact I would bet it was staved off for years just do to the discussions about what our stated reaction would be.
"some" reddit fools? You should check the subreddits again. Also, Those fools are what give your coin value. You might not want to call them fools. Zcoin forked away from a single [marketing] comment. My lyra2z 8,8,8 design isn't even complete yet. My coin? I do not control any coin, I just want to free the world from the yoke of tyranny through the monetary system. ATM monero is the best case scenario for that, if that changes then I will change with it. BTW that value was in existence long before those fools showed up, the only reason they are there is because its one big moderated echo chamber. So Zcash forked away from a single marketing comment? I wouldn't know or care about that. I have no interest in any trusted setup, if I did I wouldn't be here I'd just stay under the banking yoke. BTW I find that hard to believe but stranger things have happened. My guess is you don't have all the information. Your sole reason for being here may be monetary gain but don't automatically assume the same is for everyone else. This is a niche industry that has been around for far longer than crypto currency and has it's place in many applications. IIRC inititially it was used as a testbed for cpu logic before the costly manufacturing process. It's alot more fun to find a bug in the logic before you roll out a few million cpu's. Just ask Intel. Your comments are a circle around things that aren’t true - ETH is absolutely bandwidth limited, achieving incredible efficiencies on many GPUs. No one said FPGAs were being produced by the millions in secret. “Bus can be increased” - FPGAs have the largest “bus” of any general purpose reconfigurable computational device bar none. What are you referring to? FPGA is also far from a niche industry, enjoying a market cap as big as the big GPU manufactures. If you want to argue give me real numbers in technical terms. Your statements are largely incoherent. |
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David, This is great! Thank you for sharing your information with all of us. I am really excited to see you develop this product and if it all looks as attractive as it does now whenever pre-ordering comes online then I'll be interested in possibly 10+ depending on performance characteristics as this is tested and developed further. I guess the only question I have at this point is regarding the tangibility of reporting. You said you wouldn't want to release some shoddy looking video but do you plan to release at least 'some' video that is of a reasonable quality? Other than that, I would just like to share this little write up on M.2 slot tech. 50-650% data transfer boost is really impressive https://www.howtogeek.com/320421/what-is-the-m.2-expansion-slot/I’m sure we can produce a video. I’ll never understand why so many people like to watch videos online, but ok  Isnt the cost of entry too high for normal miners? You already admitted that prices for memory and FPGA's are high. Are you guys trying to be like AMD/Intel/Nvidia?(using large demand to bring down prices). That would be awesome for sure(low wattage&high h/s), but bitmain will just play dirty again and sell FPGAs too. Conclusion: no GPU miners, almost all coins are mined by FPGA's, no Asics since we have forks. Bitmain won't hurt normal miners at the cost of no gaming card??? (not guaranteed since they have a lot of engineers)hmmm... dont forget that everything is possible in crypto. I`m 99% sure that once FPGA usability will be much more explored in mining Chineese vendors will say it`s work and create some cheap FPGAs.. OR there will be such projects like this one which will allow to strenghten GPU mining. GPU mining will not yet die, there are too many black areas in mining still. Acorns already outperform price on GPUs on some algorithms. And that’s only going to progress. Personally I’m not going to stop until we have GPU price parity for FPGA power at FPGA cost. GPUs are not data crunchers they’re just good at it. Right took for the job. |
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All these votes of confidence fill my heart with joy.
I've registered on fpga.land. Eagerly awaiting updates. I'd be ready to order a few cards, provided they are not ultra complicated to get running.
Btw would a "universal" water block (like the EK Thermosphere or VGA Supremacy) fit this card in any way?
Does any one have a good ekwb contact? There are enough of these that I might commission a nice little full board water block for the crazy amongst us. Get in touch with them over the website, I guess. They've got a few contact options. Bearing in mind their stuff is good but not cheap. Wonder if a full board block would be worth it... Do you really need to cool the memory actively on a Xilinx board? This. I've been thinking the same for the last 4 days. You don't need to cool the memory, but you do need to cool the power components. Fair point. Maybe a half-body block then, enough to cover the VRM's etc. Exactly this - core and power components need cooled to get maximum perf. |
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Can I run a few of these on an Onda or Octominer board without issue, or would I need to build a new system from scratch with different hardware?
Should be no problem, these are independent and don’t really need PCIe, you can link them with qsfp28 cables if needed. |
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All these votes of confidence fill my heart with joy.
I've registered on fpga.land. Eagerly awaiting updates. I'd be ready to order a few cards, provided they are not ultra complicated to get running.
Btw would a "universal" water block (like the EK Thermosphere or VGA Supremacy) fit this card in any way?
Does any one have a good ekwb contact? There are enough of these that I might commission a nice little full board water block for the crazy amongst us. |
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thanks to both of you. sounds really good. cant wait. any timelines. as usual, always want it yesterday Orders this week, shipping in August! |
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Don't get me wrong it's not you or this project I distrust, its anything in cryptocurrency at the moment. I have been scammed before so very wary now. so if you guys are legitimate then I apologize, as I would love you buy these cards, especially if you can put unencrypted bitstreams in them as I want to develop one for lyra2z and lyra2re. I was going to buy the direct cards from Xilinx, but their price has gone up to $4999 already and also would have to mod them myself. So if they are pre-modded and cheaper than $4999 then that is fantastic.
Absolutely, can put any unencrypted bitstreams you want on these. The key being set is really just enablement to give access to other bitstreams/miners that may have otherwise only been private, and a way to encourage more dev participation. @OhGodAGirl - thanks for the (maybe a bit large) vote of confidence. I’m really not that interesting, either. I can vouch that @senseless isn’t absconding with any funds here. He may be more apt to speak his mind, but he has put in a lot of work to help get everyone this deal. |
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The last thing I want to do is see this come out and totally annihilate GPU mining. And that is exactly what it has the potential to do. Profitability for everything else will be completely destroyed and we'll be stuck fire selling everything we have in the hope we can get in line to acquire this hardware and software.
no, gpus will always have something to mine, as some algos will almost certainly be created with anti asic/fpga properties. wont stop fpga/asics but will make it much more expensive to develop. OhGodaCompany has its ProgPOW plans that will leverage so much of a gpus capabilities (not just CUDA cores or whatever) that its just not worth emulating with fpga/asic, as to do it one would basically have to emulate an entire gpu to do it. easier just to use a real gpu. of course it remains to be seen how that goes, but fpga/asic is not the end of pow on gpus. at least not yet. ProgPow is a bit of marketing. The hardest part of it is still the memory bandwidth. Nothing really changes. If you take a look at the paranoia in the monero community now..... Is that really what the coin devs want for their coins? All of their miners and holders to be in a constant state of paranoia about secret asics? Wouldn't even need an asic at that point to destroy a coin. Just a large GPU cluster causing diff spikes to make the community freak out. I made an asic for monero that could survive their fork!!  I'm mining 100Kh/s   -- That, plus a little bit of falsified evidence and the community would be frothing. Seems like it's almost more profitable to put the fud algo in an asic so it can be more power efficient. Poloniex has options now, right? This is just a foolish statement, it's about curtailing future centralization such as what we see with bitcoin. Lose the hyperbole. We tend to play the long game and are not the fools in this scene that can be manipulated like your off the cuff suggestion. You might be able to catch some redditt fools on that but not here. This has been a ongoing discussion since day one and in no way shape or form came as a surprise, as a matter of fact I would bet it was staved off for years just do to the discussions about what our stated reaction would be. BTW, I happen to know a few methods that would grind these babies to a crawl. I don't think Monero needs to worry about these they are not the same threat as a massive Asic dump. Your buy here is not going to put a dent in the emission. Indeed! Where there is money there is a solution usually. It will take some time, but if orders for FPGA rise at prices the sellers make good money, production increase will follow.
That doesn't follow at all, hence the GPU shortages. Increasing manufacturing capacity costs money. Having that capacity unused also costs money. GPU manufacturers decided to not increase capacity because the risk of mining demand dropping is too great. FPGAs are no different, except starting from a lower base, a drop in demand and dumping on eBay would result in even greater losses later on for the manufacturers. Correct and these are not being designed and manufactured in secret, they can just as easily be forked away. And anyone that thinks because just their array can change on the fly does not understand the basic restrictions inherent in the design. 1. The supply chains to build these things are not infinite, and some lead time components stretch 42 weeks or more now. 2. You can not “fork away” from what’s coming in the FPGA world. There is exactly one piece - memory bandwidth - left, and it will be solved with in the year. It is already in the works. |
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How do we know that this is not another scam. You could just take everybody's money and run as there's no address for your company (other than a virtual office) and we don't know who we are dealing with physically.
My company ( www.airsquirrels.com) is providing the deal with Xilinx and the shipping/cards. Hopefully I will actually be able to do a PR with Xilinx to confirm. AllMine is handling order processing and front end logistics as well as the development shell. David Stanfill, feel free to email me directly or setup a call if you have any doubts. |
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Well time to learn linux i guess. For all those windows beggars.
Is it still possible to enter the first batch or from your website everything is sold out ?
The batch has not yet opened, but we expect to be able to open it this week. We have to wait for the green light to advertise our pricing. Software is being developed on multiple sides - Whitefire has spearheaded the operations and outlined many algorithms and performance guidelines. Senseless and myself will both be releasing bitstreams supporting the cards at the time of shipment. Man other devs are coming up to speed and preparing offerings. I expect we will have most current coins covered, however keep in mind these are not currently good for Ethash, Equihash is forking, and other algorithms may change. @senseless I hope the CD part was a joke. |
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David, This is great! Thank you for sharing your information with all of us. I am really excited to see you develop this product and if it all looks as attractive as it does now whenever pre-ordering comes online then I'll be interested in possibly 10+ depending on performance characteristics as this is tested and developed further. I guess the only question I have at this point is regarding the tangibility of reporting. You said you wouldn't want to release some shoddy looking video but do you plan to release at least 'some' video that is of a reasonable quality? Other than that, I would just like to share this little write up on M.2 slot tech. 50-650% data transfer boost is really impressive https://www.howtogeek.com/320421/what-is-the-m.2-expansion-slot/I’m sure we can produce a video. I’ll never understand why so many people like to watch videos online, but ok |
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No, you did not opened it up. It's @whitefire990 that opened FGPA to others. You just identified a business opportunity after you realized that secret FGPA mining will not be as profitable as before once @whitefire990 releases the bitstream in market. That's what @whitefire990 wanted to do and in my opinion he succeeded.
No, I opened up once I realized that companies were going to try charging $6000 and $7000 for these fpga. Go through my post history. If you think I'm going to make any appreciable amount of money from this, you're wrong. What little we do make will be dumped back into development to provide the community the ability to make, compile and distribute their own bitstreams securely. Edit: Our money is going to come from the devfee in the bitstreams we'll release. And, no one has to use ours. Whitefire's bitstreams will work on the boards too. We are all in this for money. You should make money if you are adding value to the community. You are adding value by lowering the FGPA cost. I am also buying from you. It is none of my concern how much money you are making. In my opinion, credit to open up FGPA mining to newbie miners or to the people who are late in mining should be given to @whitefire990. Also @whitefire990 saved crypto community from Bitmain, Baikal and other ASIC manufactures, who were usurping majority of the value generated by cryptocurrency mining. Bitmain and Baikal will have their move, i hope all of you realize that FPGA miner developing won't "destroy" these companies.... And it is not aid decentralization either. Big mining farms will buy a thousand of FPGA's if it is going to be stable and profitable. From technical perpective FPGA is very very exciting, and hope that i have a chance to play with it. I don't really care who was the " first" guy to open it to public. I'm really glad FPGA guys working together to success their mission. Fingers crossed! There are not thousands and thousands for them to buy... |
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I vote for windows.
Then don't buy the card. We're not going to develop windows drivers for the card. I should clarify that doesn’t mean you can’t use it in Windows with other bitstreams from other devs that choose to support it (I’ll be supporting Windows where it makes sense). But, you really are doing yourself a disservice doing windows and running expensive FPGAs to mine. On Mods and Credit Cards, work is still being done, but we should proceed under the assumption we cant take direct credit cards, since all the processors have essential decided Crypto isn’t a real industry. |
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