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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: December 01, 2016, 01:06:07 PM
So the Funds will launch within the next 30 days.

Have you prepared yourself for the Moonride Wink? I have the ICN amount i wanted and just waiting for lift off
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 30, 2016, 06:43:02 PM

Ethereum Hong Kong Meetup Wink

Looking good there guys!

Any firm date on Platform release this December?

Hehe Grin

Do you really think they would give you an answer here?
I am pretty sure they have a release date, and they also will have a plan for telling us when the party is starting.

edit: am i seeing things, or is the ICN/ETH-buy-wall growing every day?!
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 30, 2016, 09:23:28 AM
nice to watch BTC - UP! and IСN - UP! Grin


 Cheesy Cheesy Love that analogy

Edit: but shouldn't the rocket booster be Ethereum Wink
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 29, 2016, 04:56:36 PM
Lets discuss how many ICN's everyone is holding? Would you class someone who holds 160,000 ICN's a "whale"?

More like a baby whale IMO, there are Hodlers with 1000,000 + ICN here
125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 29, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Update:

Meet both co-founders tomorrow, Wednesday at "the deck" in Hong Kong with Jehan Chu meetup.com/Ethereum-Hong-…

https://twitter.com/iconominet/status/803571598410166272
Yep , nice one !!!!!



And soon ICN on Hong Kong based Bitfinex  Smiley


I'll sell my car and go all in ICN when this happens  Grin

Maybe in the near future you think you should have sold your car, and bought more ICN. Because when the Hype starts to kick in, it could be to late.
126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 29, 2016, 12:43:20 PM
Update:

Meet both co-founders tomorrow, Wednesday at "the deck" in Hong Kong with Jehan Chu meetup.com/Ethereum-Hong-…

https://twitter.com/iconominet/status/803571598410166272
Yep , nice one !!!!!



Description:

Iconomi is billed as the "Fund Management Platform for the Decentralized Economy" and was the latest hot ICO, raising over US$10mil in it's open period. One of the handful of company booths at Devcon2, they were actively promoting their developing platform that promises to disrupt crypto fund investment.

But ICO's generally have recently been attracting increased scrutiny for lack of transparency and ambitious valuations, in addition to a less sophisticated investor pool who may not be accustomed to doing the due diligence common with traditional investment process.

Please join Jehan Chu in conversation with the Iconomi co-founders Jani Valjavec and Tim Zagar, in a special opportunity to see the people behind the crowdfund and the team behind the mission/technology, and understand what is behind this latest impressively sized crowdfund.

Space kindly hosted by Adrian Yap, co-Founder of TheDesk.com.hk, a Hong Kong co-working space with short and long-term hotdesking, as well as private offices located in the exciting Sai Ying Pun area a 5-minute walk from the HKU MTR station.
127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 29, 2016, 12:38:25 PM
Does someone know if there is already a video of an ICONOMI talk / presentation available?
128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 29, 2016, 12:11:02 PM
Update:

Meet both co-founders tomorrow, Wednesday at "the deck" in Hong Kong with Jehan Chu meetup.com/Ethereum-Hong-…

https://twitter.com/iconominet/status/803571598410166272
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 29, 2016, 09:45:03 AM
Article worth reading:  Kraken asks MBA schools to choose between BTC and ETH.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/kraken-gets-mba-students-to-choose-between-bitcoin-and-ether

hey ICN you enjoying all them funds?

where's the party?

re. the ETH or BTC........well, that all depends but honestly BTC until ETH gets their shit sorted (which will be never) so BTC wins.

BUT, when the new WBB rebrand+v5 wallet is out....THAT will be a contender. Smiley

some people are always afraid to get into new things such as ETH. they are comfortable with BTC even when its platform is a dead end. as compare to ETH where theres all possibilities to going mass adoption, platform for programming where the future is.


ETH?

You mean that shit that needs to FORK every other minute either voluntarily or by accident Is the Future?

fuck meeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Holy Christmas Ballz! You sir are correct! These ETH zealots don't even get what's happening.  ETH is collapsing in on itself like a a burnt out star.  Sure BTC has the blocksize debate, but there are so many great things coming alive in the BTC world.    2017 will be the year of BTC.

Regardless of who wins ICN should win, and maybe have alternate plans for a different platform just in case.


Yeah, I should agree with it. I may think to consider if ICN was becoming safe assets right now, The ETH has made it broke soon, The team need to think about the second plan for that.

WTF are you all talking about.
Ethereum is doing fine. Hardfork fixes went trough and it's the most developed Blockchain with the best developers behind it. I don't think we need a backup plan!!...or maybe i see someone here that tries to drive the price down to buy more cheap ICN Wink

I think that you guys need to stop making a competition between BTC and Eth. I don't see why both chains can't co-exist and address different use-cases. Each chain will have its own set of apps and services that will better fit that chain. Not every service needs relative expensive ultimate immutability backed up by energy platform, like the Bitcoin blockchain offers. Some services may want to trade that for agile and flexible platform.
It is still way to early to tell. Bitcoin just starts to develop top/side layers, and Ethereum is still in its unstable beta stage.

You know that the Internet is not TCP/IP only, right? We have UDP, TCP-Streaming and other protocols as well.

But for fuck's sake, can you stop with that Bitcoin is old, obsolete and the rest of the BS??

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I don't think we need a backup plan!!
You ALWAYS need a backup plan! What's wrong with you?

I posted a similar question here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/5f036r/ethereum_network_stability_as_the_infrastructure/





I never said Bitcoin is old or obsolete. I agree it's the "safer" chain. More like the Gold Storage of The Crypto World.
I just don't think it's a good "backup plan" to talk about moving ICN from Ethereum to Lisk or some other relatively small and new Blockchain
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 29, 2016, 07:20:54 AM
Article worth reading:  Kraken asks MBA schools to choose between BTC and ETH.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/kraken-gets-mba-students-to-choose-between-bitcoin-and-ether

hey ICN you enjoying all them funds?

where's the party?

re. the ETH or BTC........well, that all depends but honestly BTC until ETH gets their shit sorted (which will be never) so BTC wins.

BUT, when the new WBB rebrand+v5 wallet is out....THAT will be a contender. Smiley

some people are always afraid to get into new things such as ETH. they are comfortable with BTC even when its platform is a dead end. as compare to ETH where theres all possibilities to going mass adoption, platform for programming where the future is.


ETH?

You mean that shit that needs to FORK every other minute either voluntarily or by accident Is the Future?

fuck meeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Holy Christmas Ballz! You sir are correct! These ETH zealots don't even get what's happening.  ETH is collapsing in on itself like a a burnt out star.  Sure BTC has the blocksize debate, but there are so many great things coming alive in the BTC world.    2017 will be the year of BTC.

Regardless of who wins ICN should win, and maybe have alternate plans for a different platform just in case.


Yeah, I should agree with it. I may think to consider if ICN was becoming safe assets right now, The ETH has made it broke soon, The team need to think about the second plan for that.

WTF are you all talking about.
Ethereum is doing fine. Hardfork fixes went trough and it's the most developed Blockchain with the best developers behind it. I don't think we need a backup plan!!...or maybe i see someone here that tries to drive the price down to buy more cheap ICN Wink
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 27, 2016, 07:17:18 AM
Presenting ICONOMI at Blockchain Bitcoin Meetup in Shanghai

https://twitter.com/iconominet/status/802770164685017089

132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 26, 2016, 03:38:40 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

says the one hiding behind a newbie account.....

PS: AM a YUUUGGGEEEE TRoll....much bigger than you could ever be......

 Kiss

You are right. In am a hodler rank#23 in the holderslist . Big newbieeeee Smiley

Fantastic.....then you are just proving that you have more money than sense...................





You think what you think. I make more money then you ever can imagine. Good luck with your concerns..

Good for you....

Quite frankly, I don't give a flying fuck about imagining how much money "YOU" are making.

I ain't living your life......

Kind of funny to see how people revert to using these kinds of arguments when cornered....

May I suggest that you read this book: "Under Saturn's Shadow: The Wounding and Healing of Men" by James Hollis

You might just learn something....

 Kiss

Now you are concerned about me ? you are concerning about everything you must have a hard time in your life.  Everybody who says that they are not in ICN for the money is lying! Thank you for your suggestions but i dont read gay books.

Fine, I'll bite....just because I'm bored.....

It is exactly because I am in ICN for the money that I am raising concerns about mETH

I Want ICN to pamp past fucking URANUS........if you didn't get that already, then you are just one big thicko with more money than sense...(which you have abundantly demonstrated so far)

And you obviously have no grasp on fucking reality if you're calling a book "GAY"

A wise man once said: "Never judge a book by its cover".....

 Kiss

Man what a TrollParty going on here, and now you are talking about Ur Anus Tongue
Can we come back to topic. Ethereum is working smoothly again after the 2 Hardforks. So nothing to complain about. Each Hardfork was more like a Sowtware Update, just Update Mist or whatever you are using and all is fine.
133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 26, 2016, 10:08:29 AM
3 more weeks to go, lets see how long the market will hold the price
What will happen after 3 weeks ? Embarrassed Am I missing anything?

He meant that the 2 Funds will start within December
134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 26, 2016, 07:01:53 AM
Some people don't understand that Ethereum is de best option to build on. They have the best devs the more then 300 dapss in their dapstore, big companies testing on ethereum like ibm siemens deloitte and microsoft azure is already integrated ethereum as a service. Ethereum is being attacked because they (bitcoin) are scared and they know they can lose alot of marketcap to ethereum so they atack to harm the trust of people. Ethereum is hardening every time when attacked. Al other blockchainplatform solutions are far behind ethereum because when they are in the top 3 then the attackers will aim on them too. smart contract platforms look safe (lisk, stratis,synereo) but are absolutely not. I think devolopment is more important then price of ether. Iconomi made the  best choice to choose for ethereum. Sorry for my english im from Holland.

True words, like I said there is good reasons ICONOMI will be running on the Ethereum Blockchain.

135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 25, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
mETH will die.

They should move the platform on to Stratis.

Stratis will rule the world while Vitalik will be sobbing away in a corner while holding on too his pussycat manbag.....
I think the ETH project will soon be replaced with Zcash

No we will be running the project on Dogecoin,
So we create a DOGECONOMI, such wow, so FUNDi

136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 25, 2016, 08:20:48 PM

Don't expect dividends before OFM. There are only 3 possible dividends channels before OFM:
1. Selling Golem tokens - how much dividends this 20% profit of 5.000 eht is going to be?
2. ICNX - that is if people will invest into the index. It shouldn't yield much dividends at the beginning. The expected fees from the index is ~2% annual (not official numbers)
3. Selling future ICOs invested - we don't know where and how much Iconomi is going to invest, when those tokens are going to be tradable.

Dividends are going to play big role when OFM is active with sustainable userbase.

1. I'd expect the profit is dividend? so 20% ~ 1k eth?
2. where did you get that number from?


The numbers are not yet official, like I wrote. More of estimation. 2% management fee for CTFs is pretty standard. You won't get ALL profits from ICNP, that's for sure. ICNP was seeded with ICO money, so no reason for you to get 100% profits (it was not a direct investment)

being an eth based token its price gonna decline in accordance with bugs discovered in etherum. no need to speculate, you should consider yourself lucky that price did not go below ico buy levels.

Edit: yet

Maybe, as long as the platform is not active. Once you have OFM active, the price of ICN will be mainly determined by the quality of the product and the amount of users and money in the platform, and not by the underlying blockchain.

indeed, that is the only reason i have not sold a single ICN yet. however, the nightmares are real! it can happen any day.. any time.. any moment. i am relatively new in crypto but the frequency of bugs discovered in ETH are alarming.. maybe you guys migrate to a more stable platform? NXT and Stratis look promising

I think it would be more alarming if there is a high frequency of bugs not discovered,
Ethereum is the by far most advanced Blockchain, and also the safest (beside Bitcoin) on the Market.

edit: why Ethereum? https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/5etlzq/when_someone_challenges_you/
137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 25, 2016, 04:43:34 PM
ICONOMI NEWS

https://twitter.com/iconominet/status/802190703308718080
138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 25, 2016, 03:06:11 PM
Calm down the rocket is still waiting for launch.

Me feel like:

139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 25, 2016, 06:40:46 AM

yup, until they find something else wrong with it.......only a matter of time........Prediction Bet Anyone?



So what? Sure there will be bumps in the road in the future. Problems will be found and fixed again.
That's the process of evolving.
You don't learn how to walk without falling, it's more important if you stand up after you fell.
Or like Richard Branson said: "You don't learn to walk by following rules, you learn by doing and by falling over."

That is all true but don't you think that the market cap of 1 Billion USD is too high for something as experimental as ETH?

No i don't think so, but in the end the market decides.
Don't you think that the market cap of 11 Billion USD is too high for something that lets you wait for hours and days for the confirmation of one transaction and very limited capabilities for smart contracts for something as Bitcoin?

11B marketcap for bitcoin is to small IMO. It serves its purpose as a store of value and interborder transfers. No one really uses bitcoin to buy coffe. Thats why coinbase is changing their model from supporting merchants with bitcoin transaction to being crypto traders.

And above all bitoin is not broken at all like ethereum. It is working as normal. true there is some spam going on at the moment but it is due to gridlock between large block supporters and small block supporters. 1 MB will be raised one way or other and the spam attacks will get costlier and costlier. even with current spam attack those who want to use bitcoin can use bitcoin with slightly higher fees.

On the other hand ethereum has no real world use case outside of crypto sphere. No one really need smart contracts on a turing complete platform and really it is trying to find a solution for a problem that does not exist. and what is interesting is that the solutions ethereum is finding are not good at all.  Ethereum platform will never be bugfree because it is turing complete. there will always be a cat and mouse game to find bugs and fix bugs as the system evolve and no one will trust such a system for creating important smart contracts.

They said homestead is a production ready stable version which is far from the truth. It will simply die just like all other hyped alt coins have died slowly. It will just take a bit longer.

Ehm but you know ICONOMI is a Fund Management Platform, based on smart contracts that are running on exactly this Ethereum Blockchain you are talking about?!

Bitcoin has been around since 2009. Ethereum has been there for only 2 years. Rome wasn't built in a day! give some time to Ethereum to get fix problems. Any one knows where can I find the list of people working for Ethereum foundation?

Sure https://ethereum.org/foundation
140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 25, 2016, 01:43:49 AM

yup, until they find something else wrong with it.......only a matter of time........Prediction Bet Anyone?



So what? Sure there will be bumps in the road in the future. Problems will be found and fixed again.
That's the process of evolving.
You don't learn how to walk without falling, it's more important if you stand up after you fell.
Or like Richard Branson said: "You don't learn to walk by following rules, you learn by doing and by falling over."

That is all true but don't you think that the market cap of 1 Billion USD is too high for something as experimental as ETH?

No i don't think so, but in the end the market decides.
Don't you think that the market cap of 11 Billion USD is too high for something that lets you wait for hours and days for the confirmation of one transaction and very limited capabilities for smart contracts for something as Bitcoin?

11B marketcap for bitcoin is to small IMO. It serves its purpose as a store of value and interborder transfers. No one really uses bitcoin to buy coffe. Thats why coinbase is changing their model from supporting merchants with bitcoin transaction to being crypto traders.

And above all bitoin is not broken at all like ethereum. It is working as normal. true there is some spam going on at the moment but it is due to gridlock between large block supporters and small block supporters. 1 MB will be raised one way or other and the spam attacks will get costlier and costlier. even with current spam attack those who want to use bitcoin can use bitcoin with slightly higher fees.

On the other hand ethereum has no real world use case outside of crypto sphere. No one really need smart contracts on a turing complete platform and really it is trying to find a solution for a problem that does not exist. and what is interesting is that the solutions ethereum is finding are not good at all.  Ethereum platform will never be bugfree because it is turing complete. there will always be a cat and mouse game to find bugs and fix bugs as the system evolve and no one will trust such a system for creating important smart contracts.

They said homestead is a production ready stable version which is far from the truth. It will simply die just like all other hyped alt coins have died slowly. It will just take a bit longer.

Ehm but you know ICONOMI is a Fund Management Platform, based on smart contracts that are running on exactly this Ethereum Blockchain you are talking about?!
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