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There are many things that go on in the world of sportsbook abuse that people on this forum would be surprised to know about, because the large majority of forum members are decent, honest people. There are also forum members who would like to be able to abuse sportsbooks, but they don’t have the knowledge or skills to do so. Because of this, we can’t always disclose our methods of detection of abuse, but if you go to any arbitrage forum, discord or youtube channel, you will quickly see why IP and KYC are longer suitable ways to detect multiple accounting. People buy “undetectable”, dedicated proxies and get their friends and family to do KYC. To give you an idea of how prevalent this is, in the past month, we have caught over 20 people falsifying KYC. I can only imagine the volume of fraud on a much larger site.
So, why am I able to share that information? Because it has been out there for several years and just like the abusers are constantly improving their methods of disguise, the sportsbooks are constantly improving our methods of detection. As we have mentioned before, we all work together and share this information, to help improve the industry. We have the ability to detect many cases of multi-accounting, regardless of the tricks used against us, including “undetectable” proxies, screen sharing software, multiple devices, syndicate play, etc…We are not able to detect every case of multi-accounting, but the ones we are able to detect, we can do so in a way which is 100% certain and 100% provable. And the technology keeps improving.
One trick that these players use is essentially extortion. They create a BitcoinTalk post, because they have studied what happens and know that it will put pressure on books to at least return the deposit. This is why when we return a player’s deposit for abuse, we say that any future accounts will have funds withheld, including deposit. That’s what we told this player last time he was caught. To the people who say it is stealing to take the deposit, think about it like this. If someone creates 10 accounts and 5 get past us, he gets the winnings on those 5 and the deposits back on the other 5. He can continue to create accounts endlessly, while risking nothing (these players do not lose). Betcoin.ag does not seize the winnings of a first-time abusive player. Betcoin.ag does not seize the winnings or deposit of a person who innocently or accidentally creates multiple accounts.
Our message here is clear. This is a repeat abusive player. Last time he created a scam accusation, he was rewarded with a returned deposit. This time, it will not happen. Obviously, his reply will be that he is not a repeat abusive player. To that, we say that any player with a dispute can contact our licensor or a 3rd party mediator and we will be happy to show them the evidence. We have never lost a mediation, because we have never closed an account without clear evidence of misuse.
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Whoops page not available
says this when I go to betcoin.ag in browser for 3 days now
edit: nevermind, I was able to logout and log back in.
The poker is nice
Great to hear. If you experience any further issues, for the fastest support, visit our on-site chat or fill a ticket! |
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Tennessee vs Auburn Preview and PredictionThis is a huge match for tournament seedingWith March on the horizon, one of the most entertaining events in all sports will be taking place in the coming weeks, March Madness! Though we won’t be breaking down the NCAA tournament bracket just yet, there’s still some very important match-ups to be played, and some that could very well make a huge impact on how the seeding will be displayed once all is said and done. With this in mind, we’ll be looking at one match-up in particular that could shift things for either team, and potentially eliminate their ranking in the top 25. The 5th ranked team in the nation, Tennessee, will be looking to defend their home court as they welcome the 14th ranked team in the nation, Auburn, in a very important conference me match-up. Not only are these teams both ranked in the top 5 of their conference, this could very well eliminate Auburn from holding onto their ranking. Let’s take a look at what these two conference rivals have been up to, and who should walk away with the win in this SEC battle. Tennessee vs Auburn Preview and Analysis
https://www.betcoin.ag/blog/Auburn-Tennessee-Preview-Prediction
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@Betcoin.AG :a bit of feedback about poker cash tables.
Yesterday saw there were two players facing at a NL10 table (blinds 0.05-0.1 PBR) and joined them, one of the two had a really big stack around 300 BB (around 30 PBR or ), we played some hands than the bg stack left the table and rejoined it less than a minute later with 35 BB ( 3.5 PBR).
As you already surely know this practice, of taking money off poker tables, in poker terminiogy is called ratholing : beside being considered a bad etiquette most poker sites prohibit it by forcing players who leave a no-limit table to buy in for the same amount if reseated within a certain timeframe (like 1 or 2 hours : cannot remember by habd what is the average "anti-ratholing" time).
I suggest you to fix it asap : ratholing is also quite annoying because prevents your opponents to win back the money they just lost to you.
Great feedback, thanks. As this is new software, it is still in the early stages, but we certainly agree that this is needed. |
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SickMetaGame Review of Betcoin Social PokerEditors note: Rakeback and Affiliate program coming soon!
SickMetaGame shares thoughts on Social Poker, available globally at BetcoinHey there, SickMetaGame here, and today, I am going to be reviewing Betcoin's Social Poker. Poker was the main reason I joined in 2014, and it was bittersweet to see it go. Luckily, it is back now, and I cannot wait for the action to ramp up. Read the rest here: Play today at https://www.betcoin.social/poker
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Betcoin Bants Episode 16 - Comedy Show about Current events in Sports and CryptoFootball vs Football. Do the Americans or Europeans have it right?John Gregory spills the beans in this week's hilarious episode of Betcoin Bants. Comment your thoughts on this week's video for a chance to win a free bet, and make sure to subscribe to the channel, so you won't miss a minute a single inappropriate minute. Check out this week's episode here:
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I support your call to lock the thread and mark it resolved I did mention here that they are responsive to complaints and will try to be transparent on how they resolve the complaint and they did, so far Betcoin is doing good in resolving cases like this, I don't want to dig but there was a thread that they resolve even if the complainant issue is not valid, they just don't want an open thread here in this section, how I wish all the other casinos with open accusation here will resolve their cases the way other active representatives did like Duelbits and Betcoin.
He's not coming back, because he doesn't care about this community. He just used you to extort us. Guarantee this was not his first BitcoinTalk account and will not be his last. Nearly all scam accusations against reputable casinos are created by scammers. |
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https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/16/YaoA9.jpegSo I lied that I didn't earn anything or I didn't lie?😁😁 Edit : btc already on the wallet. thank you all for your help. and I suggest the resident of betcoin ag to go on vacation or change his job because with such an approach to customers he won't get far..." they are all frauds" You did lie, as was already shown made a few bets and wanted to withdraw the deposit.
I only want to withdraw my deposit because I didn't even win anything, I played two bets, I lost 0.5 ltc and I wanted to take my money.
His most recent deposit was 0.0019 BTC and withdrawal request was for 0.0043276 BTC.
You obviously won bets if you more than doubled your deposit. Also, you won these bets by cheating. And even through all of that, we gave you the opportunity 5 months ago to verify, but you refused multiple times. Betcoin are widely known as having some of the best service of any sportsbook. Despite the fact that this player is a cheat, we still responded to all his support inquiries within minutes. As always, any legitimate player will receive VIP service, plus the best odds and promos, with no verification required. |
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I wrote it in the email I had during the first verification
support+id2578@betcoin.zendesk.com
and fill out the help form on the betcoin.ag website
We need an email. Support at betcoin dot ag |
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I see that you, my friend, understood what I meant, there is a language barrier and I didn't understand how to perform the verification correctly, but does it mean that I'm a fraud because I don't understand something? The betcoin guy probably has a bad attitude towards customers. let's close this topic. I wrote to Betcoin support that I want re-verification, I am open to cooperation, I have all the documents. I will inform you how the verification is carried out. If something is incomprehensible to me, I will write here... thank you for helping good people and let's not go crazy in these sick times...
A language barrier caused you to call us a scam when we asked for KYC? Don't play dumb. As you stated yourself, you have been doing this a long time. We all know what's going on here. I don't have an email from you. When did you send it and to where? |
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And Betcoin.AG, do you mind giving him the list of documents and things needed by your team to proceed with his verification and let him get his funds back? If it doesn't burden you so much, please address them all here, so OP can get help from others with aspect that he probably not quite understand.
Absolutely not. He was given that list 5 months ago. Now he will be subject to the highest level of scrutiny and any hints given to this known abuser/KYC refuser will allow him to prepare. If he was trying to weasel out of the most basic KYC in September, why would we make it easier on him now? He knows how to reach us. We will not require anything outside our terms of service. He already said he is not going to comply. Catch the hint. He would not comply then and will not comply now. Stop giving sympathy to obvious scammers. What is it going to take? Should we file a scam report on him? |
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I see that your business is based on the fact that you assume that every customer is a fraud, right? and that if he doesn't understand your "wonderful" rotten system, he's also a good thief... you know what, maybe leave this post for others to see what your approach is? do you know why I wrote ltc? because that's what I thought, I started a topic here to get support and I didn't even believe that anyone would help me, so I didn't look through the emails until they asked today. I think that your attitude towards me and the whole matter shows that history is coming together, that you are frauds and you are making it as difficult as possible for people to give up fighting for their rights!!!!! I don't like this approach very much. so what did I prove that betcoin is a scam?
Well.. We have given you the opportunity to complete the verification and get your deposit back, which is what you claim you want. This is something we have offered to you since September. Otherwise, you can keep cheating sportsbooks, keep creating new accounts at Betcoin and BitcoinTalk, and see how it goes. |
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Hello, there are some inaccuracies because, as you have noticed, the matter is from September and I accidentally came across bitcointalk and discussed issues with your WEIRD website. Yes, I deposited BTC and I thought it was LTC and what's wrong with not remembering everything? is this a sign that I'm cheating? I don't think so. it was clear on the verification page, it's even on the email:
ID
driving license
bank statement
I didn't understand what you meant with the live video because I don't speak English well, I thought you wanted the video of just the ID and not the live video with my face and ID. no problem, I can send everything. I want to end this matter now because I've had enough of your service. I haven't experienced such hopeless customer service for a long time and I've been on the market for almost 8 years!!!!!
But to finish, I will send you an email and verify it, give me your deposit back and I don't want to hear from you again!
PS What address should I send the message to and what should I write?
Not remembering everything? You deliberately left out the screenshot of your conversation out where you said  Why you did that is anyone's guess, as it does not affect the case, but being deceptive is suspicious. Perhaps your other Betcoin accounts were in LTC. The customer service isn't "hopeless". All your replies were responded to in minutes, just like they have been here. You are probably used to scamming sportsbooks who don't have as advanced technology as we do. Oops! Please send an email to support at betcoin dot ag and we will be happy to try and determine whether you are: A. Refusing KYC because you are a mutli-accounting cheater or B. Refusing KYC because you are a first time cheater As far as this thread goes, send the email. Pass the test. We will see what happens. /thread |
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Champions League Playoffs Preview and PredictionsEuropean Football's biggest stage is heating upFootball fans from around the world will soon enough be rejoicing as one of the most electrifying, and prestigious tournaments in football history will be taking place shortly, the UEFA Champions League. For those of you short of notice, Champions League combines the world's finest football clubs, and more importantly the current best clubs in the world, as they battle through a single elimination playoff-bracket in hopes to be claimed Champion. With the current format and qualifying teams, this should be one of the most challenging and exciting tournaments we’ve seen in some time, with some very big names, along with some of the most popular teams in the world competing. Either February among us, and Valentine’s Day on the rise, there’s no better time to find your love for the game than as of right now. Let’s take a look at what this year’s Champions League has to offer, and who should walk away victorious in the coming weeks! UCL Playoffs Preview and Analysis
https://www.betcoin.ag/blog/Champions-League-Playoffs-Preview-Predictions
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Hello, I have to apologize to the BitcoinTalk community here, because my previous responses were based on thinking this was a different player. I did not realize we were going back to September here. After reviewing this player's case, we can see that his account was flagged for sportsbook abuse. Upon being asked to complete the standard live KYC, he stated multiple times that he only has a PDF of an ID. We said that we cannot accept that and he would have to complete the live verification, as requested. This includes a live face and identification shot, to prevent people from sending a photo of someone else's ID. We sent the verification link again and on the live video, he sent a photo of an ID. No face. We again told him that we needed both a live ID and face shot. He stated "why do i have verifications when i want to withdraw only my deposit. after all, it stinks of a scam". EDIT: There are a couple inconsistencies with his story above, however they are not relevant to any kind of abuse. That said, they may affect the resolution of the case. One is that he did not deposit and play in LTC. He used BTC. Additionally, he states that he only had a couple bets, which he lost. His most recent deposit was 0.0019 BTC and withdrawal request was for 0.0043276 BTC. Why would he only want to withdraw his deposit, when he could withdraw his winnings? Why would he send us video of a PDF of someone's ID, when he clearly has a webcam available to complete the live verification? Why would he not include this conversation in his screenshots?  It is also unclear why the player is mentioning having sent a bank statement. He was never asked for a bank statement and certainly never sent one. All we ever received is a video of a photo of an ID. If the player wants to complete a verification now, we could consider returning the deposit, but it will be rigorous, considering his previous failure and refusal, plus the 5 month gap. @razemm if you would like to proceed with this, please send an email to support at betcoin dot ag |
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Usually there is a wager requirement for every deposit to prevent money laundering. I think you have it which triggered the username or it was a large amount of money?
This is quite possibly the smallest amount of money in the history of casino scam accusations here. We can assure you, this is not about money. He knows exactly why the account was suspended, which is why he is only asking for the deposit back and why he didn't complete the KYC. Hopefully this will end up being a cheap lesson for him, to follow the rules. EDIT: as we stated below, we had the wrong player here. Our apologies for the confusion. |
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Notice how the OP only wants to withdraw the deposit? That's because he has been conditioned to expect that when he breaks the rules. The verification was not "difficult". We offered it to him and instead of completing it, he immediately started giving reasons why he might be "related to another player", something that was never mentioned to him. Of course, we already knew that the "other player" was him, which can be easily proven. We welcome the player to contact our licensor or 3rd party mediator and we will be happy to share the proof with them.
EDIT: as we stated below, we had the wrong player here. Our apologies for the confusion.
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Betcoin Bants Episode 15 - Comedy Show about Current events in Sports and CryptoWe will be giving away a free bet at Betcoin.ag!Taylor Swift fans may want to look away, as she gets destroyed by comedian John Gregory in this week's episode of Betcoin Bants. Congratulations to last week's double free bet winner, IamNico! We will be giving away additional free bet(s) to someone who comments on this week's video. Make sure to subscribe for all the latest hilarious updates. Check out episode 15 of Betcoin Bants here:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b_vbBOMSnwE
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Last night I tried to participate in the poker tournament for the first time with buy in 0.55PBR, unfortunately the tournament was cancelled because not enough players to meet the minimum players requirement.
4 registered players only while it is required to have at least 5 players, maybe if there is only 1 missing player, it is better if the tournament is started.
Or reduce the minimum players requirement from 5 to 3, having more completed tournaments will be better than having more cancelled tournaments IMO.
I will try again next time when I have free time and by the way, how is it going so far @betcoin?
Do you get enough players who are actively playing the social poker games both in the cash game and tournament?
Hello, things will be growing soon! Thank you for your feedback. |
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Is the Wrong Team Favored in Super Bowl LVIII?https://www.betcoin.ag/blog/Wrong-Team-Favored-Super-Bowl-LVIII
A proven master capper gives his analysisQuestions: Is there a better big game coach in the NFL than Andy Reid? Is there a better big game quarterback than Patrick Mahomes? Which lineup do you want in a tie game with 2 minutes left on the clock? These answers seem obvious – making Kansas City the smart pick versus San Francisco to both cover and win outright. 
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