I find that article to be as ambiguous as 12 Inc's strategy! It seems to criss-cross itself and I don't know whether it's positive towards what 21 Inc are doing or negative (or it's just sidelined their device altogether and gone on to talk about how this concept of using bitcoin in ecommerce to remove the need for identity is the real innovation).

As the previous poster just noted, this opening...


...seems to be very negative.

Then this bit...


...seems to be giving them the thumbs up.

Then this bit at the end...


....is the epitome of ambiguity!


That's what I find so often with hyperbole of a major "release" of products like this; a following that's just as confused and unclear.

Based on the story of 21 Inc so far my guess is your line...


...is the reality of the situation. I think these guys are riding a bitcoin VC feeding frenzy but lack clear strategy or understanding.

If you haven't already heard this podcast from 13th Sep, have a listen to Chris Derose and Joshua Unseth's take on what 21 Inc are doing; I think it's very very funny. Go to time 15:05 in episode #16 of the Counterparty weekly update for a hilarious take on the whole thing.

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/xcp-weekly-update-16-joel-and-thomas-from-swarm

There it goes....5997 just a few seconds ago....bloodbath!

Yes.

Monero is a good project and there are many people who have pinned their hopes on it becoming very successful. Good luck to them and I hope they realise their dreams. There's simply no reason to speak ill of it or the people involved in it, REGARDLESS of whether individuals who have some allegiance to that project come into this thread and tell lies about Dash and Dash people. The very last thing we need is tit-for-tat responses. Rise above it people and demonstrate that we're above such banal and unbecoming foolishness.

What if the physical universe doesn't actually exist at all? What if every single thing we think is a real thing - the screen you're reading this text on, the chair you're sitting on, the floor the chair you're occupying is resting on, the building you're in that the floor you're standing on is part of, the shoes you're wearing, your feet that are in the shoes you're wearing, your legs connected to those feet.....in fact your whole body - what if none of it is real but it's all a million ideas that exist independently of what all these things appear to be made of?

As Globb0 says above, at a quantum level everything is everywhere and nowhere at the same time. So how can we be sure all these things are real? Well most will say, "Well of course they're real, I can touch them, feel them, see, them. I can bang things together and they make a sound. If it's food or drink I can taste them. Of course they're real!" but if we're using our physical senses to confirm everything we can see, hear, feel, taste and smell is real isn't there a minor governance issue in that we're using faculties that are also made of "everything is everywhere and nowhere at the same time" hence there's only a single source of confirmation therefore it's highly likely it's not accurate?

Just maybe, just maybe, this is all a mockup and the great spiritual sages throughout the millenniums were trying to tell us that. Maybe what we're experiencing in this realm is but a shadow of what's actually real.

Something to think about. 

Evan's "Scammer School" teacher's report:

"Evan is a very bright student with a promising future however he's going to have to lift his game considerably if he's to become a successful scammer.

During the semester Evan had numerous opportunities to scam all of his classmates, his teachers, and his school but he's missed every single one of them. His work has generated much trust and inspiration. In fact Evan is in a position like no other student here at Scammer School. He has created many wonderful things that almost everyone in the school enjoys using. He even has parents of other children taking an interest in his work too. In fact Evan has an extraordinary capacity to reach out to the community all around him. He's engaged with the local chamber of commerce, the teacher's union, the Federal Department of Education, the local Police, Fire and Ambulance services and even staff at the school's bank (at, might I add, considerable risk to the scamming curriculum of this institution). It's been like nothing we've seen before and here at Scammer School we're all on the edge of our seats waiting for him to take all of these people to the cleaners and do the runner of runners! But alas, he won't! He just keeps working and working and working on his stuff without ever looking to actually execute the sophisticated exit scam he's surely capable of and we've been trying to impress on him is what this education facility is all about. It's really very frustrating.

I regret to have to mark Evan (our brightest and most promising student) down with an F as he's failed every scammer test we've put to him."

It is no "fact" Adam. It is your interpretation of the events of that time.

You have no proof that Evan and the Darkcoin Foundation "executed an intentional instamine scam". Again it is your interpretation of the events and a whole raft of assumptions/assessments you've made.

However, if you do have proof that a scam has been executed you should take your proof to the authorities so they can investigate and prosecute. Anything less than that action on your part indicates that you clearly have no proof and you're simply making never ending slanderous statements and attempting to denigrate Evan, the foundation and this project for your own personal gain (all while hiding behind your pseudonym).

It's throwing mud because clearly your intent is to injure and harm.

You are ridiculously predictable in your posting style and content. For months and months you went on and on and on about the reference node; conjuring up all sorts of conspiracy theories that it's this massive centralisation and control scam perpetuated on the crypto community by Evan and that you're the only one telling the truth about how in one fowl swoop he can shutdown the entire Dash network (fud fud and more baseless fud). And for months we all pointed out it was being worked on and, would in time, be removed. Then, like almost everything the dev team puts their focus on, it was eventually removed and the need for a separate server eliminated when the function was incorporated into the V12 code.

And what came from you? Absolutely nothing! Not even a skerric of "good job, problem resolved", just nothing. Because it doesn't suit your agenda to acknowledge progress and people responding to areas needing improvement. That's why you're called a troll; your agenda is so very clear and it's not conducive to acknowledging progress in crypto where acknowledgement is warranted. (You're basically operating as a toxic person engaged in toxic destructive behaviour).

Instead of acknowledging anything that's good and done well, as each issue is addressed you just move onto the next gripe you can go on and on about. What is it now....um.....masternode IP blinding?

Your entire MO is about character assassination and destabilisation.

You see, you would actually have some credibility if you were more balanced but clearly Dash has wobbled you to pieces and you just can't stop yourself from attacking it. As I pointed out to Adam a few pages back, when we've all moved on from these early days, you're not going to be remembered for anything useful and constructive whereas Evan and many other long-time supporters of this community, (who've clearly applied themselves with diligence and a strong work ethic) will. That's your legacy; the most common form of mud-throwing failure that's been engaged in by humans across millenniums (in regards to Dash; you've obviously got a whole other mess in crypto to clean up too, but as you've often pointed out that's off topic).

There's an entire thread on Dashtalk where Evan explains the issues with mining and coin production that happened at the launch https://dashtalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/. Clearly things didn't go entirely to plan as he was learning his way like many people launching cyrptos, but is it a scam? NO, of course it isn't and your continual characterisation of it that way is absurdly unfair. If it was, Evan would have dumped whatever darkcoin he had back at the first ATH. But he didn't and nothing so far in his character indicates he's involved in a scam. He's been probably the most diligent dev in all of crypto. You know that but it riles you!!! It gets right up yours and AdamW's noses!!! It hooks onto your innards and tugs at you!!! It's sooooo painful to see the success unfolding here. You simply can't stand it so hate hate hate is your response.

Honestly iCEBREAKER you could do so much better than this. Your lame suggestions of why you're continually in this thread throwing accusations like you do are just that, lame. Why don't you rethink what you're about and focus on something far more positive.

Okay. I find this whole "ignore" concept to be overvalued and a bit mindless in some ways. I don't have anyone on ignore.

That conversation Lukas is having with smoothie is important (the non abusive, non name calling bits at least). It's important to get as many perspectives as possible on what's happening with our investment. Otherwise we have the real likelihood of the Dash community ending up somewhat isolated and cut-off, which opens the door to wide-spread ignorance and us all going off the lemming cliff together.

I'm really tired of the banter that goes back and forth and the never ending labelling of people as trolls. I honestly think we need to rise above it. If someone wants to continually come on here and throw mud (like Adam White does) then good luck to them.  Clearly they are wobbled, threatened and unnerved by Dash. Let them be. In many ways they're our cheer squad! And if what they're talking about is of such major controversy and concern, this is then but the practise run for what will come, and we need to get very good at it (like how MasterMined710 provided a debunk to Adam's six step posting).

I take all that they throw and consider it against how they behave in other BCT threads (and I'm on a lot of them, even if as just a lurker and not a poster). It's very instructive. And most of them seems to be relatively intelligent too, hence the extremity of their attacks are sociologically interesting.

I'm learning a lot by contrasting what they say versus how people here react versus how the same people behave on other threads. I'll take the uncensored raw shit-fight version of this Dash thread any day over seeing pages of "This user is on ignore".

I'm not sure why you have Lukas_Jackson on ignore. I can't remember his posts from a long way back but the ones over the past few pages he's been arguing with smoothie (not to be confused with smooth) that the head and shoulders pattern smoothie sees in the chart isn't one. I don't think he (Lukas) is a Dash naysayer, he has "Hello darkness my old friend" in his signature.

I think everyone needs to think very carefully before making assumptions about continued lacklustre price movement. When bitcoin went from ~$25 to more than ~250 within a couple of months leading up to April 2013 many would have thought they would never see anything like that again. Those who sold out and didn't buy back in again when it went back below $100 would have been kicking themselves when the big boom happened that following November. Well we're in the same situation right now. If things start seriously unravelling with fiat (and indications are that this is going to happen; it's only a matter of when) there will be a race into PMs and crypto. It's entirely likely we could see another run up that will make the ~$1200 from Nov 2013 look like the $250 from April 2013 (i.e if it follows a typical logarithmic trajectory, a $10,000 ATH is not out of the question).

Bottom line: I would be very careful jumping in and out of BTC at the moment as it could suddenly take off and will catch many out.

                          ^---------<   Seems to be a very large build-up of bids on Finex. A lot of people are waiting for the inevitable drop that may turn out to be 'uninevitable'.

Also it's interesting that for the past 12 or so hours BTC-e has often been higher than Bitstamp. That doesn't happen much and I wonder if it's indicating anything (either that everything's just gone dead & will stay that way for a while or it's some sort of rubber band being pulled that's about to snap ).

Great! CrptoVote is very active in Sling and Crave. Seems to be a good guy. It will be interesting to see what he comes up with. Thank you for your effort and welcome CryptoVote.

Hey everyone, if those don't get a laugh (how could they not?) then, if you haven't already seen this, you'll no doubt identify with some of the character traits highlighted:


"Babysitting Bitcoin"
https://youtu.be/6P2FB9Mg_YI

Adam, when you come on here and offer something of value (i.e. actually build/create/design/deploy something) as opposed to just never ending criticism, name calling and attempted character assassination, you may actually gain some credibility. But at the moment you're involved in the most common and history-repeating form of human failure known to man; attacking something you feel threatened by.

As toknormal  previously pointed out, I'd go with advice or instruction from Evan Duffield any day over your "contribution" as he has demonstrated again and again commitment to this project and this community. Regardless of what confusion or mishandling may have happened back at the launch, Evan has consistently followed through on plans, done what he says he will and brought unparalleled innovation & creativity to the crypto scene.

Years from now when crypto has advanced substantially from the struggling little realm it currently is, what will your contribution have been? I'd put it to you that no one will have the slightest memory of you. Maybe one of us will be taking a trip down memory lane one day and reading back through old posts and come across one of your troll-rants and think "Oh that's right....I remember now that guy who just went on and on and on ad nauseum about there being an instamine at the start and Evan being a scammer. Gosh, that takes me back. I wonder what ever happened to him?" but that will be it; nothing more.

That's the worth you're bringing to the table. And that's how you'll be remembered (in essence you'll not be).

Nice to see someone expressing their common humanity and decency. Little moments with dear loved ones like you just described are all important for remembering the really important things in life. Thanks for sharing.

eww...just got a fresh whiff of that putrid hypocrisy stench...

All perfectly understandable Macrochip. However I don't know what's worse; the stench of Eduardo's hypocrisy or the unfortunate image you've now left us with of him nursing his burning sphincter! Ha!

One hopes that your post has hidden /sarcasm BBCodes on each end of statements like these "there are currently no economic turmoil"?

Thanks for your very detailed response JayJuanGee. I do appreciate your summation. I've had similar experiences in other forums.

Meanwhile I'll continue to read Jorge's posts and make my own assessment. Obviously it will take sometime before I've worked him out (and even then, this communication medium is about as thorough for "working someone out" as is reading a book about how to tango and then declaring yourself an accomplished dancer when you've never set foot on a dance floor let alone held a rose between your teeth. Ha!)