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121  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The kill/trade game on: June 04, 2013, 02:39:04 AM
lol fox..
I almost started a spreadsheet for this, then thought better of it.  I decided I'd just play what seemed like the best play from memory.  Kind of a natural method.  Before ledgers Smiley
I'll be doing similar posts for this as I did with the "Round Robin" style game, So you can keep track that way.
122  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it true that the Fed is privately owned on: June 04, 2013, 01:45:45 AM
Pure Capitalism has failed with the pre WWI power States dividing up all the Land in the world.
Um. That wasn't pure capitalism. That was (at best) State capitalism. But I feel we might be falling down the definition hole here. Pure capitalism is simply this: Private ownership of the means of production (land, money, machinery, etc), and competition of producers in a free market for profit. For a society to be called "pure capitalism" that principle must be applied to all industries, including defense and justice, two industries which the State traditionally monopolizes in the name of the public. Thus, in order for "pure capitalism" to exist, there must not be a State. And it is precisely this monopoly which caused the failure of the markets built around it.

Almost 70 years before WWI, Gustave de Molinari outlined the conditions which inevitably caused it:
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Everywhere, when societies originate, we see the strongest, most warlike races seizing the exclusive government of the society. Everywhere we see these races seizing a monopoly on security within certain more or less extensive boundaries, depending on their number and strength.

 And, this monopoly being, by its very nature, extraordinarily profitable, everywhere we see the races invested with the monopoly on security devoting themselves to bitter struggles, in order to add to the extent of their market, the number of their forced consumers, and hence the amount of their gains.

War has been the necessary and inevitable consequence of the establishment of a monopoly on security.
123  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it true that the Fed is privately owned on: June 04, 2013, 01:27:14 AM
Also, it was stated that lower mammals, insects, lizards, etc. know how to establish a balance naturally.  That isn't exactly true.  There is natural order to things including a food chain.  These animals are kept in check by natural predators.  If left unchecked they will cause an imbalance in the ecosystem and the correction will be severe. 
So... you're saying that the State is the "natural predator" of the businessman?
124  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The kill/trade game on: June 04, 2013, 01:24:30 AM
I'm still waiting to see what the Alliance has to say about the new rules. If I don't get a response soon, I'm going to have to start thinking for myself again. Undecided
lol
125  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 04, 2013, 01:23:53 AM
Well, that can't really be improved upon, except to recommend this excellent book as further reading.
126  Other / Off-topic / Re: Whoever Invented the Gasoline-Powered Leaf Blower Should Have His Butt Kicked on: June 04, 2013, 01:08:22 AM
and can be used for flying, too.
So can leaf blowers.
Well, hovering.
127  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Best/worst places to be in the United States once the USD plummets? on: June 04, 2013, 12:34:18 AM
I am not sure if being here with the military in Afghanistan is the best place to be. They would likely pull the troops back to "secure" things back home. They would likely not care about protecting things over here anymore leaving us vulnerable.

128  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it true that the Fed is privately owned on: June 04, 2013, 12:31:42 AM
Adrian-X:  both are correct - Alpaca John solution is wrong; Myrkul: solution is correct but insufficient.   (Solution the property, given by God or the gods, or the big bang, [land air and water] is redefined in a new meme as something other than a commodity)
This is interesting. Now, which meme would you prefer replaces "Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time, therefore, space, being scarce, must be allocated, and the fairest means of allocating space is that the first occupier has a better claim than all subsequent claimants, and this claim can only be transferred voluntarily," ie, private property, homestead principle, and voluntary sale?

And, given that the current understanding of voluntary trade is founded on that meme, how would you structure an economy based on your meme?
129  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MTGOX sued by COINLAB for $75 million on: June 03, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
A decentralized exchange for a decentralized currency?
Perform a search for that phrase. You'll find some interesting threads.
130  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 03, 2013, 11:49:01 PM
My husband tries to discuss things like this with me.  He also tries to explain the code he is working at work.  I have learned to nod and smile and say, "That is very interesting."  It makes him feel good.

So, Myrkul, everything you have said is very interesting.  Grin
And this is just a side-pursuit for me. The greatest minds in Quantum Mechanics admit they don't fully understand what's going on. But that's what makes science so fun. The thrill of discovering what's over that next hill.

If you love physics and the study of the universe though you might want to read a book called "Starlight and Time" by Dr. Russell Humphreys.  It was really fascinating.  My husband loved it, tried to dumb it down enough for me to understand.  I could sort of grasp some of the concepts, but I probably should not start another debate here. It is more about the age of the universe than anything else though, but for minds who really like to think there is some interesting things in there for sure.
I'll have to look into it. Thanks.
131  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 03, 2013, 11:43:47 PM
it is my understanding that wales was borderline anarchic for about 100 years during which time they were under constant attack from the centralized state of Britain.

Ireland stood up for 600 years (out of a 1000 or more as a stateless society) under the assault of the Britons, finally falling when their technology lagged.

another good example. how about afganistan today? obviously its not an anarchist paradise but it may suffice to reiterate the point. their society is highly decentralized and subject to numerous attacks which they have had great success defending themselves against.
It's certainly a fine example of how hard it is to "win" against a decentralized foe.
132  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 03, 2013, 11:23:37 PM
I edited my previous post.  I could not comment on your posts Myrkul.  I humbly realize when my mental capabilities are inferior.  At least I can acknowledge that.  Some women do not seem to be able to, so hopefully you can at least respect that. Wink
Don't feel bad, we're straying beyond my ability to firmly grasp the concepts, and I suspect we left crumbcake in the dust some time ago. Suffice it to say that I consider the universe as a whole to be a chaotic (determinative, but difficult to predict, and impossible to predict accurately without omniscience) system, and that consciousness is a monkey wrench in causality. In other words, I believe in free will.
133  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 03, 2013, 10:33:33 PM
Rassah,  just ignore crumbcake.  
This is good advice. If you wish to comment on anything I or Rassah have said, I'd be interested in hearing it.
Nutsacks and F'bombs.  Need I say more? 

But then I am not a guy.  Maybe it is a "male bonding thing" I just don't get.   Tongue
FWIW, that was all crumbcake. He's clearly not the most mature example of humanity.
134  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Best/worst places to be in the United States once the USD plummets? on: June 03, 2013, 10:30:33 PM
Since this is gonna inevitably happen in the next decade
Yeah, I don't think this is true at all.
Says the obvious government troll.
135  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 03, 2013, 10:29:38 PM
it is my understanding that wales was borderline anarchic for about 100 years during which time they were under constant attack from the centralized state of Britain.

Ireland stood up for 600 years (out of a 1000 or more as a stateless society) under the assault of the Britons, finally falling when their technology lagged.
136  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 03, 2013, 10:23:59 PM
Rassah,  just ignore crumbcake.  
This is good advice. If you wish to comment on anything I or Rassah have said, I'd be interested in hearing it.
137  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 03, 2013, 10:15:53 PM
Quote from: myrkul
Most anarchists are now of the Voluntaryist/AnCap stripe. Black and Gold is winning over Black and Red.
This would most welcome news indeed if it were true. do you have a source?
No hard numbers, no. Just a general sense of the community.
138  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 03, 2013, 10:10:35 PM
For your "consciousness" to do anything, something must first cause it to do so.  In a causally-bound universe, there are no uncaused events, no free volition.  So your consciousness is as predetermined as everything else, just a slightly more intricate clockwork.  Try again?
Is it? Are you so certain? Call it god of the gaps, if you want, but sapience, consciousness, volition, seems to me to be the one "uncaused" thing in this universe. I can decide that I want to, or do not want to, reply to your next post, and that decision influences my brain state, which in turn changes my actions. It's not a probabilistic function, nor a determinative one. It is a volitional act.

I've written chatbots (slightly more complex washing machines) which would have discussed Kant much better than 90% of the folks i know.  What's your point?
I'm sure you could. But it wouldn't be that chat bot discussing Kant. It would be you, putting your thoughts on his philosophy into a text file, from which the bot would choose, based on the question asked it. It's just a sophisticated way for you to discuss Kant with many people all at once.
139  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 03, 2013, 09:31:06 PM
Forgive me if i don't weep with you when you tell your stories of young love on the rocks.  Now that you've explained it to me, i feel as much for you as for my washing machine.
There's that wonder/mystery thing again. Look, just because we can fully explain what happens when someone falls in love does not reduce the wonder of that emotion. It is still a great thing, a driving force of the universe, and the result of our consciousness. Human consciousness is that "fudge factor," that turns a deterministic system into a chaotic one. Because we can, just by thinking, change the state of our minds. Our every conscious thought modifies the electrochemical patterns in our brain, making us far more wonderful (again, original, undiluted meaning) than a mere machine.

The genetic makeup of Rassah's brain determined that who he falls in love with will be male. He chose the values that would attract him to a person. He saw values he admired in that other man, and the interaction of his conscious decisions and genetic predispositions created that beautiful synthesis that we call love.

Try asking your washing machine what it thinks of Kant some day.

When you make matter out of nothing, get back to me.
http://home.web.cern.ch/
140  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Best/worst places to be in the United States once the USD plummets? on: June 03, 2013, 08:50:29 PM
If you're careful, and lucky, your back yard can grow enough wheat to feed you. A couple of window gardens with herbs, and maybe an indoor grow room for tomatoes, and you'll be doing OK. Not a very varied diet, but mostly nutritionally complete, if you can get some fish.

Why would you want fish? 
Protein, mostly. A couple of essential vitamins/oils and such. Take up less space than a cow, too.

Keep in mind this is just off the top of my head, I haven't done a lot of research on what, exactly, you would need to have, but just spit-balling: bread for calories, herbs for flavor and vitamins, tomatoes for the all-important vitamin C, and fish for protein and other vitamins. I'm no nutritionist, but that seems fairly complete to me, if boring.
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