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May 30, 2013, 04:29:11 AM |
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We should introduce BTC into this game. Perhaps a buy-in which is distributed proportionally? However, I suspect that adding real money to the game will make people more conservative and likely to chose "kill." Therefore I think it should be done like so: | Kill | Trade | Kill | (-, -) | (+, -) | Trade | (-, +) | (+, +) |
For some positive and negative values (which will obviously influence the outcome). In the case of at least one person having a net negative, everyone's points can be increased by the absolute value of the lowest score: Player | Raw | Scaled | Payout | A | -1 | 2 | 14.3% | B | -3 | 0 | 0% | C | 2 | 5 | 35.7% | D | 4 | 7 | 50% | Total | 2 | 14 | 100% |
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myrkul (OP)
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May 30, 2013, 04:33:08 AM |
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God, that's the second request to add stakes. You guys are like a bunch of poker players. "It's no fun unless it's for real money." ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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acs26
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May 30, 2013, 04:33:47 AM |
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I just have to ask but:
Have you ever gone to prison, and then came up with this game?
(Don't get me wrong, it seems like a awesome game. But it seems like something you would play in a High-Max prison.)
(I would actually like to play it, but I'm too lazy.)
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myrkul (OP)
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May 30, 2013, 04:58:50 AM |
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But it seems like something you would play in a High-Max prison.
More like something you would play in the interrogation room: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdeathbytrolley.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F01%2Fprisoners_dilemma_23.gif&t=665&c=9im_RCvR6Fk-fw)
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FCTaiChi
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May 30, 2013, 05:30:50 AM |
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With those stats it looks like confession is the overal winner..?
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myrkul (OP)
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May 30, 2013, 06:31:46 AM |
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With those stats it looks like confession is the overal winner..?
Yup, in a one-off prisoner's dilemma, the optimal solution is always to defect. As soon as possible. Also, in an iterated game, if you know how long the game is going, it's always optimal to defect in the last round. (And since both people know that, the optimal solution in the next to last round, and thus every preceding round, is also to defect, resulting in a complete breakdown of "society") In an indefinite game, though, the optimal choice becomes to cooperate. Trust is built (or destroyed) from round to round, and the results are remembered. Your reputation becomes important. If you defect, and lose that good reputation, people will start defecting on you and you'll end up worse off than if you had played nice the whole time.
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May 30, 2013, 03:51:43 PM |
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Elwar, you have a task force?
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nimda
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May 30, 2013, 04:00:22 PM |
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God, that's the second request to add stakes. You guys are like a bunch of poker players. "It's no fun unless it's for real money." ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I just think it would make the game more "honest," and thus more worthy of study. Maybe one of these weekends I'll make a website for it.
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myrkul (OP)
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May 30, 2013, 04:29:51 PM |
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God, that's the second request to add stakes. You guys are like a bunch of poker players. "It's no fun unless it's for real money." ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I just think it would make the game more "honest," and thus more worthy of study. Maybe one of these weekends I'll make a website for it. In later games, I'm going to introduce variations that will attempt to encourage defecting, including trying to start a "war." It seems rather rude to make people pay for that. On the contrary, in fact, I think if the only consequences are in-game, that will result in a clearer result in the end, when I add in the final variation to try and clear up the conflict. Remember that we're modeling the real world, and in the real world, there are no "meta-consequences." Adding such a meta-consequence would, in effect, be modeling the supposition that "religion X is true, and Y behavior will result in a reward in the afterlife." While certainly people act as though that were true in real life, modeling behavior without that incentive would result in an even clearer result. If you want to make a website for it, and add stakes, that's fine. But, could you let the pure game play out, first? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Ekaros
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May 30, 2013, 05:05:33 PM |
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So who exactly is in game? Could I even have complete list of that? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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myrkul (OP)
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May 30, 2013, 05:17:24 PM |
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So who exactly is in game? Could I even have complete list of that? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I suppose that's fair. I've been meaning to post a roster, anyway. FCTaiChi Elwar wdmw Foxpup FenixRD Rassah Ekaros Cameltoemcgee Myrkul Viscera dacoinminster Jobe7 (signed up way back on page 3)
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Ekaros
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May 30, 2013, 05:30:13 PM |
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So who exactly is in game? Could I even have complete list of that? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I suppose that's fair. I've been meaning to post a roster, anyway. FCTaiChi Elwar wdmw Foxpup FenixRD Rassah Ekaros Cameltoemcgee Myrkul Viscera dacoinminster Jobe7 (signed up way back on page 3) Thanks
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Elwar
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May 30, 2013, 05:32:57 PM |
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Elwar, you have a task force?
Yep, I lobbied myrkul for special treatment to get a task force. That is the part of the game that is missing (bribes). So it is in your best interest to not steal from me. Plus I lojacked all of my goods.
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June 03, 2013, 05:46:25 PM |
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What's the status? I'm strangely eager to find out how this goes.
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myrkul (OP)
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June 03, 2013, 07:45:39 PM |
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Still going, waiting for responses from: Foxpup FenixRD Cameltoemcgee Viscera Jobe7
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June 04, 2013, 01:08:21 AM |
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I'm still waiting to see what the Alliance has to say about the new rules. If I don't get a response soon, I'm going to have to start thinking for myself again. ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif)
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myrkul (OP)
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June 04, 2013, 01:24:30 AM |
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I'm still waiting to see what the Alliance has to say about the new rules. If I don't get a response soon, I'm going to have to start thinking for myself again. ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) lol
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FCTaiChi
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June 04, 2013, 02:02:07 AM |
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lol fox.. I almost started a spreadsheet for this, then thought better of it. I decided I'd just play what seemed like the best play from memory. Kind of a natural method. Before ledgers ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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myrkul (OP)
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June 04, 2013, 02:39:04 AM |
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lol fox.. I almost started a spreadsheet for this, then thought better of it. I decided I'd just play what seemed like the best play from memory. Kind of a natural method. Before ledgers ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I'll be doing similar posts for this as I did with the "Round Robin" style game, So you can keep track that way.
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June 04, 2013, 03:51:56 PM |
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Still going, waiting for responses from: Foxpup FenixRD Cameltoemcgee Viscera Jobe7
Can we put a time limit on it, and a default action? Maybe randomly choose one of them to steal from everyone ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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