there could be a surprises with RTX series if mining software devs find a way to utilize the tensor cores, if not the performance bump wont be that impressive considering the price point.
As the tensor cores are FLOATING POINT, while mining is an INTEGER function, as I mentioned back when the new Tesla was introduced I don't see them being a factor AT ALL for miners.
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considering that mining is UNPROFITABLE RIGHT NOW
Interesting theory, but I'm still making enough to live on from mostly GPU mining. Profitability IS down to where only folks with very cheap electric are making any money though. With that said, I don't see the announced RTX 2070, 2080, or 2080 ti being good mining cards vs the 10xx series at their VERY HIGH PRICE, especially with the older cards starting to drop to pricing at or below where they were at 2 years ago before the big cryptocoin price runup happened - and the move of Bitmain, Innosilicon and others to put ASIC into most of what used to be the more popular GPU mined coins hasn't helped that any. It will be interesting to see how these newer cards perform on Folding (which CAN be mined indirectly), but I suspect they're not going to be price/performance competitive even there.
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Won't have a significant effect, doesn't take any longer to rewrite the program for a FPGA than it does for a CPU or a GPU. In fact, the only "drop" will be from miners that don't get updated in time for the fork I'm CERTAIN.
I believe the changes to the algo are supposed to target the differences in architecture directly and cause massive slowdowns on FPGAs We've seen this song and dance before - the whole point to a FPGA is that it can be reconfigured, so pointing at "the difference in architecture" is a meaningless statement. I don't see them being ABLE to keep FPGA's at low performance for long it at all since a FPGA is MORE configurable than any GPU.
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this one was to bitchslap fpga's I suspect a drop in diff will happen. Won't have a significant effect, doesn't take any longer to rewrite the program for a FPGA than it does for a CPU or a GPU. In fact, the only "drop" will be from miners that don't get updated in time for the fork I'm CERTAIN.
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Is it worth mining scyrpt coin in 2018 if you have a gpu?
No. even if it's somehow lil easy to mine and doesnt have a high difficulty ? Scrypt has been UNprofitable to mine for any GPU since somewhere in 2014.
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That's on raw parts though, need to see if the system-level tarriffs also changed - and gets complicated since most CPUs in particular are fabbed in the US or Germany (AMD via GF and Intel) and most miner chips are fabbed in Taiwan or Korea (TSMC and Samsung respectively) and should not be getting hit with these tarriffs at all. I forget offhand on RAM but think most of that is fabbed in Taiwan or Korea or Thailand?
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Not sure how I feel about eth / etc being for gpus. Bitmain has an “asic” in this algo. Not sure how it compares to gpu.
Tossup to a hair INFERIOR on efficiency at about the same hashrate as a well-tuned 6-card 1070/1070ti rig, perhaps a hair better efficiency than a well-tuned RX 470/480/570/580 based rig. Lower cost but NO resale value long-term.
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here is one of my actual computer shop in while in the navy.
the guy in the photo is one of the DS it repair techs
this photo is circa 1978
Did you ever get to play the multi-player "star trek" game the NTDS systems had?
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24 TH for 2 KW?
Not very impressive if they're actually using 7nm parts.
Innosilicon has done better than THAT on new nodes....
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Bitmain is taking advantage of a closed down Alcoa plant that had a lot of available electricity. I'm sure there coming in and getting a sweet deal since manufacturing and the local coal mining facility have closed. They are speculating about 500 jobs would be brought to the local community, although the report doubts that could actually happen since these mining facilities don't require that much man power.
I'm rather amazed they haven't made an offer for the shut-down Alcoa plant south of Wenatchee WA. Or perhaps they made an offer and Alcoa hasn't agreed to it 'cause Alcoa has been talking about "perhaps" reopening that particular plant.
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Zcash difficulty took a pretty big drop today. No clue why but I’m going to enjoy it while it’s here.
There are other equihash coins - might have been a shift to one of those. Could also be some GPU miners pulling rigs due to low profitability, or shifting to other more profitable coins. Could also be normal "luck" variation. I suspect it's a combination of "all of the above" though.
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Hmm they use 16nm finfet, not 7 or 10nm, yet achieved efficiency exceeding GMO or INNO's 7/10nm miner. Are they legit?
If they're using one of the more recent upgrade process versions, it's possible. They DO have a legit 28nm miner with efficiency that could argue with the Spondoolies SP20. Also, NOBODY has 7nm or 10nm in production for a miner yet - eBang will probably be the first given announced plans, unless Bitmain or Inno switch to using Samsung for a fab.
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The main reasons I won't even consider the Innosilicon T2 are:
1) Minimum order size prices it WAY out of my reach. 2) It's more efficient than the S9, but the cost is MUCH higher per hash - much more so than the small gain in efficiency. 3) I can make more for the amount of $$$$ invested by getting other gear (that I CAN afford to get).
4 through about 1000) I don't think it will make enough to pay for itself before the first of the 7/10nm generations miners hit the market and drive it into UNPROFITABILITY - even at MY low electric rate.
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remember, power it is your ceiling , not money, power capacity is what tells you how high can you go.
Only if you HAVE enough money to get close to that ceiling. In some cases, money IS the limit.
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Miners are very price sensitive and inno needs better marketing (no f-g $10K items, OK?).
This. They needed to have an A9 mini that's 1/5 the hash for 1/5 the price. Bitmain was smart to do the Z9 mini for 2k at launch, rather than a big Z9 for 8k. It means a lot psychologically, I was on the trigger for batch 1 A9, but was worried the A9 will break and skipped it. Bitmain is selling quite a few D3 units (to use a specific example) to folks that CAN'T AFFORD 5x of the much more expensive (abet much better efficiency) Innosilicon unit. A lot of miners don't HAVE $10,000 around to spend on miners in one purchace - and customs gets a LOT pickier about "large orders" like that as well.
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Sometimes you get complacent when you become the big dog. No longer hungry. No longer innovating. Bitmain is raking in so much they just stopped innovating. With things the way they are, they might ease out of their slumber and try to cobble something together. Who knows.
Can't "innovate" when your state-of-the-art product is already on the current "industry best" production node - which is WHY they have not released anything better than the S9 and probably won't for at least another year, no new node with significant performance upgrade has any capasity AVAILABLE to them, and it takes many months to a year to design a new chip on state-of-the-art nodes.
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right now innosilicon beats them with every single piece of gear in terms of efficiency
Innosilicon is on 14/16 nm where Bitmain is still at 28 nm on most of those "higher efficiency" pieces of gear, if not all. It's telling that Innosilicon never bought the A3 to market (14/16 nm SHA256 miner that they HAD announced around the same time they announced the A4) - folks I know with connections have stated that it was because the A3 was NOT going to be comparable on efficiency to the S9, which is in line with everything else Innosilicon has released in the last 4 years or so. It's also saying a lot that they only JUST RECENTLY finally managed to match the S9 with their new Terminator 2 unit - which is probably too little too late for them.
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L3+ from bitmain down to $289.
I’ve read a lot of speculation they have a more powerful scrypt miner to hit the shelves next.
they may I think the l3 is a 28nm too maybe they can boost a 16 or 10nm to do 900mh at 700 or 800 watts 1500 at somewhere between 1000 and 1300 watts, on a 14/16 nm node process (possibly that "12nm" that's really an upgraded 16nm process). 900 wouldn't be worth it for them with the Innosilicon stuff around.
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Like most websites, they have brief "overload" or "outage" situations. May not be their fault - the Internet has core routers die every day, and it takes some time (sometimes seconds, sometimes minutes, rarely hours) for the dead router to get replaced/rebooted/worked around.
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ETH ASIC is on the way , and with that little help the system capacity is might going to be much higher but miners going to make much less Already arrived, and the only one currently available turns out to be LESS efficient (by a hair) but somewhat lower cost than a well-tuned 6-card GPU rig. Ignore those spam emails proporting to be from "bitmaintech", they are nothing but lies.
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