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And why do you think that there needs to be a built-in prevention mechanism? The risks of a successful double spend are very low, and non-existant for anyone willing to wait for 6 confirmations.
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I am looking at it logically, and last year the potential gain did not out weight the risk. I saw within a few months bit coin go from $2 to $8 to $16 to $60 (!) and then back down to $8. I had people who wanted to buy tea when it was at $60, if I had done that then I would have lost a significant amount. I also did not want to keep flip flopping and accept them, then not accept them, then accept them again, so I decided to stop all together.
Maybe the system has calmed down now... I have not looked at it in about a year. So you can say... "well just sell all your bit coins for $60 when you take them for $60"... but I have other aspects of this business to run as well. I cant be monitoring bitcoin all day!
I'm sorry, Sir; but you are remembering this all wrong. Bitcoin's all time high was just under $32. You seem to have doubled that number, which is a sign of an emotional response, not a rational thinking process. However, technology has moved on... I did not know about bit-pay, so maybe its time to take another look at it.
Thank you everyone for your input and thoughts on this.
Yes, things have moved significantly on that front in the past year. I'm pretty sure that there are other options than just Bitpay as well. Such as plugins for online retailer sites that handle the exchanges automaticly via their own API's. Doesn't Bitinstant also do instant exchanges for merchant accounts as well? |
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used mine today, worked as it should, smelled pretty nice too. depending on the price i would consider ordering a full order in the future. would be helpful to include ingredients, not the ratios of them, just whats in it for safety reasons.
That smell is just the smell of clean, as there are no perfumes. I suppose the safety reasons are valid. For the record, this forumula has exactly 5 ingredients, all of which are active. In no particular order.... (real) lye soap sodium-chloride sodium-carbonite sodium-tetraborate sodium-triphosphate. All four sodiums are white powders, while the soap looks like shredded American cheese. |
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I already have those exact funnels, five of them. Made by "tico tech". Although they do sit down over the mouth of the bottle okay. The threads are loose, though, and I have no confidence that it wont pop off while pouring my milk. Thanks for the effort, though. Yes, I've noticed before that Google is quick to find posts on bitcointalk.org. |
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Do you mean a threaded funnel, one to screw on instead of the cap?
Yes, but threaded to fit a standard water bottle, if those threads are standard. Or a 2-liter bottle. I thought that I had found such a thing and ordered some, but it turned out the threads didn't match a water bottle, but were intended to thread onto a 16 ounce generic spray bottle one might use for a cleaning product. I'd be willing to offer half a bitcoin for one, shipped to zip code 40214 The idea is to be able to refill common water bottles with something other than water, such as milk. |
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I'm looking for something like this, if anyone might know where one can be found. Or someone with a makerbot that can print one.
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We depend on some currency, money or not, to trade/exchange things. Are chickens money? Or farm produce?
Word salad? Did you have a point? |
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Actually, commerce predates money by thousands of years. Money was invented to account for debt, not wealth.
So, from what I understand there are two theories of money. One is that money arose as a medium of exchange (more efficient than barter). The other is that money arose as a way to denominate debts (more accurate than keeping track in your head). Are there any implications if the second is true rather than the first? Depends entirely on one's definition of money. If you consider money to be specified units of precious metal, than money rose as a medium of exchange. If you consider paper currency to be money, then it arose to track debts. |
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An interesting question is - who pays her to spread FUD and why? A one eyed-crook with a wooden leg? A traditional asset securitization firm?
A well heeled silent investor trying to supress the exchange rate until he has bought or mined as much as possible? |
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Oh, I see what you are doing here. I'm opposed to the idea that bitcoin requires any kind of deliberate marketing, and certainly doesn't need any kind of emotional sell. The economic advantages are all that's necessary to get people to start to use it, and once we break the mainstream barrier (roughly 12% of the population has heard of it) then everything is self perpetuating anyway. If bitcoin needs a marketing plan to succeed, than it really is just a scam & I don't want to have anything to do with it. But that's not what it is, in marketing parlance, it just 'sells itself' on it's own merits. The people who understand it will benefit by joining this economy earlier rather than later. Let the late comers come on their own time.
i think the industry has jaded me to the point where i doubt the possibility of this. nothing is inevitable. And Bill Gates considered the Internet to be a fad. |
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I honestly believed the b.s. at the time...
So you didn't actually learn any real science then? That's as I thought. When you're ready, real science within the fields of ecology and biology are available to you. Truly a shame. I hope when you converted to a non-greenie, it wasn't due to the brownlash put forth by the libertarian think tanks, which don't actually do science. No, I was a Democrat for another 15 years or so. It takes time to really overcome a lifetime of programming by what passes for education in this country. Thank God & Tim Berners-Lee for the modern Internet & what it has become. While there is as much misinformation available as truth, given enough time the truth filters through. So yes, the older I get the more libertarian I become. Like the old soviet saying went, 'if you're not a communist at 20, then you have no heart. If you are still a communist at 40, then you have no sense.'
I hope you're aware of their true nature. Are you? Do you know of Frederick Seitz? How about the Oregon Petition? Are you familiar with the libertarian think tank known as the Heartland Institute, and their sham of a publication entitled "Environment and Climate News"? Do you know that its editor is not qualified for the title, since he is in fact a lawyer for property rights? Is these types of organizations and their publications where you "furthered" your education? I'm fully prepared to address how you came about your "seeing the light", so to speak, if you're willing. There truly is no limit to the depths we can go, all with verifiable sources.
First, no I not aware of any of these references. Second, they were not likely an influence on my journey. Feel free to make your case as to why I should care about the qualifications or lack thereof of any of these institutions or persons, but it would have zero bearing on my own reasons for becoming libertarian. Ironicly, I surpassed my own father on the conservative scale some time ago, as he is as anti-gun as anyone I've met here. Looking back, it's a bit surprising how completely different a mature adult can be to his younger, ignorant self. I'm sincerely sorry for the thread derail, but if you wish to volunteer comments within your debate about your graduation from being green, then be prepared to address what that really means.
Perhaps you should start another thread for that, and I'll follow. |
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if you're looking for the mainstream byline, the sell is "it's magical", nothing more.
I disagree. Simply, "it's a cheaper way to buy things over the Internet" is a winning soundbyte. once again: - it is most effective to sell to emotional response. - "cheaper way to buy things over the internet" is not an emotional sell. - bylines and catchphrases (messaging in general) don't need to include FACTS to be effective or relevant. - unless they are ethereal ("magic"), definitely don't make statements that you can't guarantee. all of you guys/gals who are ignoring what I am saying about that: please ask someone you know who works in the marketing and advertising industry. convey your ideas and see what they say. i'm quite sure they'll say the same things i'm stating above. Oh, I see what you are doing here. I'm opposed to the idea that bitcoin requires any kind of deliberate marketing, and certainly doesn't need any kind of emotional sell. The economic advantages are all that's necessary to get people to start to use it, and once we break the mainstream barrier (roughly 12% of the population has heard of it) then everything is self perpetuating anyway. If bitcoin needs a marketing plan to succeed, than it really is just a scam & I don't want to have anything to do with it. But that's not what it is, in marketing parlance, it just 'sells itself' on it's own merits. The people who understand it will benefit by joining this economy earlier rather than later. Let the late comers come on their own time. |
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There wouldn't be any counter-party risk in the prediction market I described, because both sides would be putting up collateral in bitcoins as part of the market.
Hmmm, interesting. This certainly wouldn't work once Bitcoin was larger than the island economy you described, but it certainly could help to bootstrap bitcoin closer to that goal. |
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(I was once a Green, then I grew up)
Based upon this choice of words, I suspect what you mean is that at one time you thought it was trendy to be green, but didn't actually educate yourself on the science of ecology, ecosystems, and the environment, and then just got tired of what you decided was a fad, and declared yourself something else. Oh, no. I was never one for fads. I was a hardcore greenie as a teen, my father was quick to make fun of me and my views. If your father was a wise man, eventually you will start to echo him also. I suspected something like this. It's just as I said. A hardcore "greenie" as a teen would be because it was cool and all that - not because you actually learned anything about ecology, ecosystems, etc. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I suspect you can't, because if you could prove me wrong with accurate knowledge regarding the subject, it seems unlikely that you would have then just "grew up" as you described it. One doesn't learn scientific knowledge, biology, ecology, and so on, and then just unlearn it for the sake of growing up. No, I can't prove you wrong, but I didn't do it because it was cool, it certainly wasn't anywhere near where I grew up. I honestly believed the b.s. at the time, it just took a little bit of research into the real physics in question before I started to realize I'd been a tool. |
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Since you started to twist the truth and blame me for your references. I am done with you.
Okay, go ahead and click that ignore button every time your worldview is challenged by actual facts. It really is the best way to protect yourself from the cognative dissonance. Really, I understand. |
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Nonesense, as already noted a large reason that Louisville's numbers are worse than NYC's is due to the DUI manslaughter issue, which is a social ill completely unrelated to the presence or lack thereof of weaponry. If I could seperate that out of both cities stats I would, and I would wager that would result in a lower violent crime rate for louisville. 4 out of 100K is a tiny difference, easily overtaken by the (likely much) higher incidence of alcohol related vehicular mansluaghter around here. I'm not saying that it's somehow better to die from a drunk driver than from an armed mugger, but the statement above implies that Louisville's crime rate is higher as a result of privately owned guns, which is not the case.
Since you started to twist the truth and blame me for your references. I am done with you. You tried to prove that CCW reduce crime and failed miserably. I said multiple times that guns have no effect on crime. Stop putting words in my mouth that I haven't said . Of course you didn't say it, you implied it. Do I need to define the term for you? |
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Dude, please. I'm not stupid. i was comparing to your Toronto reference, not against NYC.
MY REFERENCE? WTF?? References Toronto and blames me? Wow. {facepalm} Really, dude? Do I need to go back and quote you? I mentioned Toronto first, but you were certainly the one that implied that Toronto was more diverse than Louisville. Nice try, this one's your's. edit: since I've been to Toronto multiple times, I kinda had a feeling that its more diverse than Louisville. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto#Cultural_diversityAlso there are lot of eastern european slavs in Toronto that were counted as white, a lot of them don't speak English and live in their communities. Same as Brighton Beach in NYC. |
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Except twisted lies nothing to see here. a) stopped by a cop An off-duty cop, someone with the legal right to carry a weapon in public spaces. That's exactly the debate here. b) never tried to enter the church
Yes the opinion piece was biased, which is why I called it an opinion piece, but you obviously didn't bother to read it. The guy certainly did try to enter the church. c) crashed his car with a suspended license.
And shot a bystander who was presumedly trying to help him. So what? |
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if you're looking for the mainstream byline, the sell is "it's magical", nothing more.
I disagree. Simply, "it's a cheaper way to buy things over the Internet" is a winning soundbyte. |
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