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Hi everyone!
regarding the CPU mining tutorial, stay tuned I'm working on it and will post tonight. Sorry, I was trying to do it earlier however work overran me.
Regards,
Andrew.
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Can you help me a bit Andrew ? Rob doesn't seem to be answering for now, Hi Rob,
Ok just as I was writing a similar amount of credit appeared back into the wallet. Not sure if its the same. When I click on "Transactions" in the wallet it shows a big red square on the column to the left of "Date" column. Upon right clicking "Show transaction details" in the wallet it says -
"status: 0/offline, has not been successfully broadcast yet" and
"From: unknown" (along with transaction details.)
So something I am confused about is that - isn't the GRC to be credited with a minimum of 5 (+ depending on BOINC utilization ) ? I suppose the GRC I have are not there due to finding a block. Am I correct ? And if I am correct then it has already been more than a day easily since the miner has been running and no GRC yet ... is this normal (how long does it take?) ?
Also, one of the projects I have running is SETI , however it does not show up in the "Project Console" so that I can link my user id for the same(SETI) as you directed before.
Hi thenoblebot, I'm not sure about the transactions part from your post. However, regarding the projects..for CPU mining you need to be registered and have BOINC running at least one of the projects that are listed in "BOINC Projects" in your wallet. Do following: 1. Choose a project from "BOINC Projects" add it to your BOINC manager and set its username on the project website to your GRC receiving address. 2. In your Wallet set that same receiving addresses name to "Default". 3. Go to "BOINC Projects" in your wallet, find the project you added and fill in your "User ID" that can be found in your account settings on that projects website. Press save. After a while if you press "Query Credits" it will change to show the actual number of avg. daily credits you did for that project. Now you should be CPU mining. The last thing that you need to wait for is sending a beacon.. As Rob said, 1-2 times a day a small payment will be automatically sent from your wallet(~0.05GRC) and after that has been sent and recognized by the GPU miners(~15-20mins) you will now be recognized by the system..If you go to the "Debug Console" and write "listcpuminers" you should now be listed.(look for your address). Hope this helps. Andrew. |
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Lately I was looking on amazon and ebay and to my surpirse there was not much available in terms of GPUs.
Exactly. Although NVIDIA cards are available without a problem. Which is great, but not for mining.  Andrew. |
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Man GPU mining seems to be so much easier. LOL
As Rob said, it is a new feature.. I'm sure in the end it will be even easier to set up than GPU mining. I finally have the setup for my rig, however the cards I want to buy are hopelessly sold out...so I will have to wait for 2 weeks before they arrive. That's why I'm eager to start CPU mining  Andrew. |
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Hi -- I realize it's a little convoluted, since we have a separate set of rules for cpuminers vs gpuminers.
The Cpuminers payout structure is based 100% on the daily avg credits per boinc project summed, so if you have 1000 today for Malaria + 500 today for RNA, your pool2 entry for the day would be 1500 boinc shares for your single GRC address. If you try to exploit that by opening up multiple GRC addresses your credits will go down on each account so you wont make any extra money. Anyway, the reason the top of the listcpuminers report breaks out the credits by project is so the GPU miner can check those individually. What happens is the GPU miners go down the list in the top section of the report and verify the credits (5 entries are in the report; so 5 checks are made by the gpu miner). However, part II of the report consolidates the credits by GRC receiving address. The user should technically be paid based on the outstanding owed for the day minus any previous payments by the pool when the next GPU user finds a block, over time. We should add a section for the actual mechanics of the payout structure, ie how the shares affect the daily reward.
On a high level the original idea was to pay up to 576 cpu-only miners 150grc per day but using an RBPPS to arrive at a payment per miner based on their boincshares. The max payment per day per receiving address is 150grc. When more than 576 cpu-users participate, the pool total stays @ 576*150 (total), now divided by all participants * RBPPS (boincshares per user).
We may have to start off with a smaller reward while we test this, more on that later after I check to see how we can even enable Pool2.
Thanks for writing the manual!
Have a good one,
Rob H.
Hi, Thanks for clearing everything out. I'm just trying to understand how it all works. The CPU mining and payout systems actually make perfect sense when you explain it. Right, so if #of users < 576 then max payout per address=150, meaning if somone wants to generate more money, they would need to have different GRC address on each machine...however when #users > 576 and the Pool2 coin cap is reached(576*150) then it will be switched to the 576*150/#users*RBPPS formula and the same user would need to switch all machines to one address in order to generate as much BOINC credits as possible because their GRC payout will be mainly dependant on them. Basically in the end, both of these approaches will generate the same amout of work for BOINC which is very good..the only difference will be in the payout for the early miners. Also regarding the beacon etc.: 1. The beacon for one address needs to really be sent out only once so the system recognizes the miner, right? If I would shutdown the pc and start mining again tomorrow I wouldn't need to wait for another beacon before I'm listed..is it a sort of a registration, like when miners with GPUs first need to mine their own block before they are listed? 2. In order to keep CPU mining, there have to be running BOINC + Wallet + Mining Console on the machine..or is it just BOINC+Wallet? Guiminer can be shut down? Not a problem, I'd like to help and not just ask questions Thanks, you too, Andrew. |
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Hi Andrew--
Yeah, I think I introduced that crash when we adding the charting boinc historical avg_credits using the background thread, and Ive been trying to find that - actively. I think we finally fixed it by charting on the main thread and fixing the "red X" that would occasionally appear on the chart; all 4 of my machines have been up for 30 hours now, so I am hoping that problem is behind us.
Regarding the beacon, I see you in position #2. Glad we were able to move the project along to this point. What are your total credits for that project? Ill look into what our next step is in enabling pool2; but not sure how long that is going to take.
Rob H.
Hi Rob, Yes it works perfectly for me too since then. Total credits for Malaria I have right now are 8884..not a lot, but it will definitely grow Also I see that all your machines have different Project IDs so there are basically two options how to CPU mine: 1. Every machine that a user puts into CPU mining on a particular project can have its own BOINC account for that project(=different Project ID) and even if the user name(GRC address) will be same for all, the system will treat each machine as a new cpu miner instance in "listcpuminers" and BOINC credits/rewards etc. will be calculated for each one separately. 2. However if every machine that the users has CPU mining would have the same BOINC Project ID(only one account for all) then the BOINC credits will be summed up and ''listcpuminers'' will see this as a 1 miner. Is that correct? Which solution would then be better for coin rewards? Am I right in thinking that at the moment it is better to have the machines on separate Project IDs because the BOINC credits don't play that big of a role now, however in the future when there are a lot of miners the BOINC credits will play increasingly important role and it might be more efficient to have the machines on one Project ID to earn as much BOINC credits as possible? Regards, Andrew. |
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--------------> We may have to stop working on this CPU mining feature until it can be made easier to use. Im personally not happy with the level of support required for the first 3 users . Sorry, but this is a large, complicated project and unless we can make this a little easier to deal with, this part of it MAY need shelved. But for now, we'll keep moving and see how our first 2 users fare in pool2. Hi Rob, just posting what's also on the other forum so it's up to date here too. Finally the beacon was sent out, transaction has been confirmed by the network and ''listcpuminers'' already recognizes me..so everything works perfectly now. Since last time we talked about the beacon sending, my wallet has crashed twice(which didn't happen before)..I suppose it might have been due to it trying to send the beacon(also I might be totally wrong ), however now since I updated to the latest version 4.77, the beacon went out and everything works fine and stable. Today I'll try to create the CPU mining manual from what I know and post it..hope this will help. Regards, Andrew. |
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If someone could create a project in boinc to heal brains, that aren't able to mine that beautiful coin, like mine, It would be wonderful !!  I have a few question if you can healp me : - Are the wallet and boinc suffisant to mine or must we mine with cgminer too ? - I see Boinc processor power 100 but boinc khps 0 oO! Is it normal ? - I can't find myself in listminers but I'm registered in it ( I think ) getpoolminingmode gives : "PoolMiningMode=" : true It seems obvious to mee that I'm not mining :/ Is a miner aside the wallet mandatory ? If yes, can I use reaper ? Sorry for my English and for wasting your time and thanks for your answers ^^ Hi, yeah, that would help me a lot too - Are the wallet and boinc suffisant to mine or must we mine with cgminer too ? For CPU mining the wallet and boinc are sufficient. For GPU mining you need the miner. - I can't find myself in listminers but I'm registered in it ( I think ) getpoolminingmode gives : "PoolMiningMode=" : true If I'm correct from what has been written here, you first need to mine a block before "listminers" recognizes you and you'll receive rewards. I hope the answers are correct and infact help you It definitely is not a waste of time Regards, Andrew. |
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For the gpu miners, the 5-150 grc is based on proc utilization + threads + avg_daily_credits (for all projects summed). The avg_daily_credits isnt quite turned on yet, but will definately get used when people are close to pool mining so as to compete with each other fairly. For Cpu-only mining, Berkeley does the PoW through the api checked through a gpu miners node (ie not checked by yourself , and its 100% based on the avg_daily_credits for the particular project that instance is working on. For example, if your beacon went out for Malaria, you are competing against other Malaria miners in the CPU pool. So technically, graphics cards do help on cpu-only mining, if they can raise the avg_daily_credits. But while we are really small, youll probably get 150grc a day for a cpu, since were not splitting it up or competing with anyone. When it heats up, the avg credits will actually matter, since it drives the boinc shares. Id still build a rig, since you can make more GRC per hour, and you can do both. The GPUs (and or asics in a few years) will always be part of the system since they check the work of the cpus and consolidate blocks. Just so everyone knows my opinion, as long as asics are disruptive, we will make the program work for our group even if we have to embed our own scrypt miner in the program with a different password! Im only for asics when they do not disturb our ecosystem. Rob H. This is all perfectly thought out! If I'm correct this all means that in the future it will be more and more important to dedicate as much computing power to BOINC projects from miners to get more shares and earn more GRC. More BOINC=More GRC, right? What if someone would have a GPU rig mainly for mining with a low end CPU doing BOINC and maybe a server on a side with 2 Xeons doing A LOT of BOINC...would those results be added up for that miner, or you want to keep it one machine one result? Also the same for CPU mining..if I would use the same receiving address, same project and same ID on mupltiple machines, the shares will add up, right? Sure I'll definately get the rig asap From what has been said I understand that the CPU the rig is going to have will be very important in the future when more and more miners come, right? Andrew. |
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This is a very good question.
Technically it is possible to short circuit the motherboard On wire to Ground? to permanently keep a smaller PSU running and use that for one card, but I highly discourage that. Ive been down that road using beat up parts and its really not worth it. Your better off buying a corsair 1050watt power supply. Also, the cheap ebay power supplies aren't really any good. They might work for a month and then you have to buy the corsair and throw the other one in the trash. Also, good power supplies have a single rail so you wont unbalance the load by accidentally pulling 300 amps from one mosfet. You might have to pay $200 for a good power supply but the machine will be stable and you can run 4-5 cards off of it.
Rob H.
I'm still really new to mining but from what I've learned so far the 2 most important thinks to have the rig stable and running to its full potential is good power supply and cooling. |
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Hi Andy,
I see your png's pictures, excellent, good job.
Well, I forgot something, no wonder it is not working. We'll have to make a manual for this.
Once you do all that you did already, then we are supposed to go to the boinc web site for that particular project, for example, for Malaria, you log in to the same place you created your malaria account on their site (this is so there is no single point of failure for boinc API) and you find the link that lets you look at your average credits. Find your userid, it should be a 5-7 digit numeric number. Then take that number and put it in your Gridcoin Projects maintenance page in the textbox and press save (this info is only stored on your machine no one else can see it)- that is what links your wallet address to the boinc userid.
Then after it is saved (you can see it in gridcoin.conf, if you look) then click query. The -11 should change to an amount of credits that matches Malaria.
Yeah, -11 means it cant find the userid.
Then, within 12 hours the program will send the beacon to the Malaria gridcoin project address with .04-.08grc in it. At that point, we can run the "listcpuminers" and see if you are listed.
Ill wait for that.
Good luck,
Rob H.
Hi Rob, Thanks, screenshots always do a lot I saved the User ID into Gridcoin Projects as you wrote, it is now in gridcoin.conf. It stays saved and after pressing "query" I can now see the credits. So it works perfectly, thanks! Briefly for a couple of minutes after downloading the new version(4.77) now, the Gridcoin Project displayed "-3", however now it again shows correct number of credits..thought it might be helpful info. "listcpuminer" now shows 5 miners, all of which according to grc addresses are yours I'll let you know as soon as the beacon is sent from my wallet and if it lists me. I'll make a simple manual for the cpu mining setup, with some pictures tomorrow(its 4 in the morning in Europe so I'll be off soon) if it helps..I think I've already asked all the questions that a new user might want to know and it seems to work Andrew. |
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Ye the cards have to be separated otherwise they starting heating each other and that is very bad.
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. Also, out of curiosity, can I power 1 rig with more than one psu? Let's say I have a board that can house 7 cards, however even 1500w psu wouldn't be enough..can power 4 cards by one psu and 3 by another one? Andrew. |
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Regarding the cards hanging from the top of his cage, most of the litecoin miners get cards such as the radeon 7950 frozr, and in order to have more than 2, you need whats called a powered riser, usually a 7" PCI-E extension cable (you can actually buy them on amazon), and they can plug in the 1x PCIe slot : http://www.amazon.com/Powered-PCIe-Riser-Molex-Connector/dp/B00D7LEKUKYes, this keeps the heat way down because the cards are far apart. Ive been buying 16" square clothes hampers and building a rig with 2 on the board, 2 screwed to the top of the hamper and placing a box fan on the top- the hampers have holes on the side for airflow. Milk crates work good too, if you can find one that holds the board. Rob H. Great, that is what I thought. So regarding the BOINC part..for the future mining rewards, it also depends on the net # of BOINC credits that a particular miner creates, not only on the utilization, is that right? Or is it right only for CPU mining? Or not at all Andrew. |
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Hi Andy--
Sorry for the delay, missed your last post about cpu mining.
First of all, the CPU-only mining feature is still in beta so the actual pay-out feature is not turned on, but I'm glad you are interested as I think it may become popular- you are the first user.
The CPU miner in the mining console is only there for security - it is not related to the CPU mining feature (even though the name is the same). Anyway, the cpuminer (and cpuminer test) stores security info in the chain. The CPU mining feature allows you to mine on the cpu only and be rewarded up to 150grc per day per boinc cpu-only user. Yes, you can GPU-mine and cpu-mine at the same time.
Since you are the first user interested in testing, I will go along in parallel and work this out until we get the feature working. You have your settings correct in the config file (cpumining=true).
Next, you said you already set up one of the 5 official boinc projects (the ones found in Boinc Projects screen, Malaria being #1). You already set up your default GRC receiving address on the project web site. Next ensure your receiving address in the Receive addressbook page is labeled as "Default" (by default, its labeled "Empty")- that has to be changed.
Next go into the Projects screen and click Query. Verify the avg credits value in the textbox next to the cpu project is 0 and there is no error on the screen to the right of the credits. If it is -1, you may not have your receiving address registered. Also verify boinc has done some work on that project, if so, what are your avg daily credits and project name?
On my machine, I have 821 daily credits showing for Malaria. Once you are that far, we have to wait about 12 hrs to see if your machine sends out a beacon. I just turned mine on, so we will have to wait a while. Check the outgoing transactions to look for a transaction for .08GRC out. You can label that GRC outbound address with your project, such as Malaria so you know what its for.
Once we get that far, let me know, and at that point we should see each other in the "listcpuminers" screen. Then, we may be able to turn this feature on for payment in pool2. The security upgrade is a higher priority so this may take more than 7 days to get to, but we'll see how far we get.
Best Regards,
Rob H.
Hi Rob, Not a problem. I'm sure you have to be very busy. Thanks for clearing everything out for me..as I've said I'm new to mining so my questions probably sound off sometimes. From what you are writing it seems that everything on my side is probably setup correctly. Here is how it looks: 1. BOINC manager, the bottom one is the Malaria Control #1 in projects in wallet and its user name is set to the receiving address. https://i.imgur.com/2Q95pZr.png2. My wallet where the receiving address is labeled "Default" https://i.imgur.com/oy8rhDP.png3. This is the Projects from wallet and that is what is probably wrong. It shows "-11" and if I press "Query", nothing happens. https://i.imgur.com/oYFB4ns.png I have checked that the receiving address labeled "Default" is same as the user name on malariacontrol.net project web site. Also there are ~3800 kredits with ~350 avg. credits. so it has done some work on that project. The project name is malariacontrol.net..To be sure I've checked that again since there are 2 malaria projects on BOINC. I'll keep it open and running BOINC however until the #3 is not resolved and showing correct values it's not working, am I right? Regards, Andrew. |
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what motherboard are you getting?
Not sure yet..but probably something that can house 4+ cards. From what I've seen on your video, there is some kind of extension from the slot on the motherboard to the cards that are hung from the top. Is this because these cards are wide and wouldn't fit on the motherboard next to each other in traditional way or is it because of cooling? I am not going to definitely decide what to get, because I do not understand the HW side yet..my colleague who understands HW will make that decision. However any info and suggestions from somone who has experience mining is greatly appreciated..what to do, what to avoid etc. Andrew. |
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Hi Andrew, welcome to the club. If you want to build a mining rig you need good gpu. Here is a video of 2 of my rigs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DfJj4UZcU8motherboard: asus crosshair IV extreme gpu: radeon 5870 psu: 1000 watt ocz cpu: AMD Phenom II X6 Six-Core Processor ram: 6gb If you want to build a rig I would recommend the MSI Radeon 7950 twin frozr gpu, i had 2 rigs with those gpu and they are great for mining. Hi traderman, Thanks! Happy to join! Thanks for the video and suggestions. At this moment it looks like I am going to get R9 280X..it seems to have best power/price ratio. Also if we are talking about mining GRC, is the CPU I will get more important than with mining LTC...because of the BOINC part? Regards, Andrew. |
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Hi All!
I have been CPU mining for almost 48 hours now, however I haven't yet received any reward.
Coul anyone please check my previous post on this page and check if the setup I have is correct one?
Thanks,
Andrew.
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Andrew, great to have you on board. I'll help as much as I can but I have a Thanksgiving commitment coming up, so one thing you can do in the mean time is read the cryptocointalk thread for some more info and ask Aysyr for some help. Of course if anyone can jump in, please help.
We are releasing a new version in the -beta section of the web site with a new sleeker look. Check it out everyone. Also, there is a relatively major hiccup fixed in that version that has to do with performance and one other background issue (having to do with what the client does when you mine a solo block) that can potentially help the long term reliability (it had a memory leak that we fixed), so please check out the new version. One other major issue, I moved our code base back from reaper to guiminer, since many users want to use nvidia and cgminer. So-- please move your guiminer folder to the c:\users\~appdata\roaming\gridcoin folder. Rename it "guiminer". This way, when we upgrade that folder will not be erased or marked read only.
Ill comment on the pool mining asap.
Good luck everyone,
Rob Halford
Hi Grid, thanks for your quick reply. I have gone through all the info you suggested and was able to do this progress towards my CPU mining: 1. wallet and mining console work fine, BOINC runs OK and console sees its processing power, threads and credits. 2. modified gridcoin.conf so it looks like this: server=1 rpcuser=user rpcpassword=pass rpcallowip=127.0.0.1 rpcport=9332 cpumining=true 3. went through the setup to CPU mine you posted. Added project from projects in wallet to BOINC, set user name to my GRC address and named that address "Default" in wallet. 4. Boinc is online and running the selected project. However I would like to check if what is written above is how it should be done and also would like to ask this: a. How do I check that I am really mining? Am I correct in thinking that if the button "Test CPUMiner" in Mining Console returns something else then just blank "Output:" then I am actually mining? b. How are the coins for CPU mining awarded? Do I first need to mine the block myself, or is that only in GPU mining? c. Mining Console shows "Boinc KH/ps = 0" this should be higher if I'm really mining, right? d. Can I run other Boinc projects simultaneously with the one required for CPU mining? Thanks for your help, Regards, Andrew. |
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Hi everyone! I want to express a very big thank you to the creators of this coin! It is such a pleasure to see that a good cause is being helped and the power put into mining is actually used and not just "thrown" away. If you guys will keep up the great work you have done so far I can easily see Gridcoin becoming The new Bitcoin...but you are probably already aware of the breakthrough and revolution you are about to make here! Not just for cryptocurrencies but for all of the projects that are being helped! This is really awesome!!! That being said. I would really like to start supporting GRC as much as possible. However since I do not come from IT(I am an FX trader) and have not mined any cryptos yet, I have no idea what I am doing ..so I would really appreciate your help. - Yesterday I downloaded and installed gridcoin-beta.msi & boinc_6.6.38_windows_intelx86.exe from here http://www.gridcoinnetwork.org/get-started.html with default settings and locations. - Wallet synced well and Gridcoin Mining Module is working fine. After looking to troubleshooting I also upgraded .NET to the latest version to be safe. - BOINC Manager runs Ok, 3 Projects added & tasks are being solved using CPU and NVIDIA GPU on my laptop. - Also my Wallet and Mining Module do see the BOINC utilization and everything refreshes Ok. There are 2 things I would need your help with: 1) Setting up my laptop to CPU mine, while the NVIDIA runs BOINC 2) On monday I am going to buy a dedicated pc just for mining Gridcoin&BOINC..so I would really appreciate suggestions on what setup should it be to best help the network. Also taking into account future developments in GRC. Budget ~$2k. I personally dont know how to complete the machine from individual parts, however I do have people that can do it for me..so buying individual parts is an option for me if it would be best suited to get most power for the budget. @GRIDCOIN - Would you be able to help with this? Please bear in mind that I am not an IT person so my questions might seem off and I need step by step instructions. Thanks everyone for your help! GO Gridcoin!!! |
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Coins on their way Received! Thanks a lot! |
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