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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | RC4 Testing on: July 21, 2014, 09:50:02 PM
Haters gonna hate. Guns don't make you a man. Having brains enough to be a man results in a love of guns as a side effect. Sorry to hear you aren't there yet. You know where to find me when you get there...

Until then, save your DRK for my potential web floozies!
Are you seriously trying to imply that being a misogynistic pig makes you a man?

This shit is just shameful.  What a community you have here...  Bunch of little boys, obviously.  Real future there..

If you don't like it just ignore the guy, seriously.

And to think that because someone is making .gifs for fun that they somehow represent the whole community is idiotic. Anyone can post nearly anything they want in any thread on this forum (or the internet), to assume that because they do so that they represent the entire thread, or Darkcoin itself, is silly.

Evan is still coding and RC4 is being developed. Dark is still on the right track.

And Georgem does what Georgem does, it's called free speech. Again, if you don't like what he's posting just ignore him.
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 21, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
I believe if wafflepool, for his x11 miners, pays out in DRK instead of BTC would help price stability.

bump

Yea but why would he do that the whole point of people using multipools is to fire-and-forget. IE, they all want bitcoin and the pool mines whatever gives them the most bitcoin. I would be surprised if he actually agreed to do this.
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | RC4 Testing on: July 21, 2014, 08:38:01 PM
Guys he comes in here literally every other day and spouts nonsense. Just ignore him he's obviously a pretty sad person.
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | RC4 Testing on: July 21, 2014, 08:18:31 PM
BTC China might be adding Darkcoin:

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BTC China indicated that the move was its first step in what could be broader support for additional currencies, as exchange users had been previously limited to deposits and withdrawals in Chinese yuan. As such, the company expects the new offerings to resonate in its home market.

Take nothing for granted:

Given that one of our biggest miners is Chinese....can we get back on to them and ask them to contact Bobby Lee. I'll be sending him a few emails.

http://www.coindesk.com/btc-china-launches-usd-hkd-bitcoin-trading-accounts/

I thought this was in reference to the addition of USD deposits/withdrawals. Are they considering adding more cryptocurrencies also?

Pretty sure this announcement was relative to adding additional fiat currencies, not additional crypto. That doesn't mean they aren't considering it, it just hasn't happened yet.
125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 19, 2014, 10:25:35 PM
That's beautiful. Honestly it's one of the best looking coin wallets I've seen.
126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 19, 2014, 02:35:37 AM
Looks amazing but the green and red's too bright for my old man eyes
I agree, also the arrows don't really look 'right' to me. The rest of the wallet is gorgeous, very nice job it looks professional.

EDIT: I also vote option 1.
The green and red weren't there in the last set of samples, a lot of users suggested it would be a good idea to indicate debits and credits, but no worries changing that back to black and white is easy.
Not saying they have to be white, just maybe tone down the harshness of the greed and red. Nice work again man.
We do want it to be indicated, but it need not be done with green and red. The light/dark grey used previously is fine. It just needs to be +/- for the bigass indicator.

Yea no doubt, just something that's visually clear and simple. Whether done with a graphic or a color, or both, whatever works.
127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 19, 2014, 02:33:26 AM
Looks amazing but the green and red's too bright for my old man eyes

I agree, also the arrows don't really look 'right' to me. The rest of the wallet is gorgeous, very nice job it looks professional.

EDIT: I also vote option 1.

The green and red weren't there in the last set of samples, a lot of users suggested it would be a good idea to indicate debits and credits, but no worries changing that back to black and white is easy.



Not saying they have to be white, just maybe tone down the harshness of the greed and red. Nice work again man.
128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 19, 2014, 02:25:25 AM
Looks amazing but the green and red's too bright for my old man eyes

I agree, also the arrows don't really look 'right' to me. The rest of the wallet is gorgeous, very nice job it looks professional.

EDIT: I also vote option 1.
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [POOL][Scrypt][Scrypt-N][X11][X13] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com on: July 18, 2014, 05:31:53 PM
You guys have nearly 50% of the DRK hashrate. Miners please move to another pool!
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 18, 2014, 04:09:03 PM
What happen with the market ? What is the latest news ? Did I missed something ? There are too many BIG sell orders . Just does not make any sense .

They are taking our money dude. Better stop trading this shit. Price changes are insane.

Whales are manipulating the market, I thought DRK was going forward to at least 0.015 but a massive dump bring it down to where it is now, and soon it will go down to 0.009

Who. the. fuck. cares.

I get so tired of all the whiny ass bitches who want to talk about nothing more than this hour's price. Put on your fucking big girl panties and either a) invest for the long time and don't fucking worry about the price, or b) put on your trader's hat and trade on the volatility, if TA etc. are your thing.

Frankly, the actual investors are getting tired of ZOMG DARKCONZ DROPPED FIVE CENTZERS BETTER SELL BE4 I LOSE EVERTYHING

Strap in and STFU, or sell. Shit. Not that damn complicated.

I use a man thong. Way more manly than panties.
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 15, 2014, 09:51:42 PM
I dont think I 've ever mentioned this, but my favourite fruit is the banana.

Both the taste, texture and the sound... banana! Its lovely!! banana banana banana... try it!!

(no funny sexual jokes please)
I prefer to pronounce it "Banaynay." It makes people look at me funny. I like it when people look at me funny.

It's the only fruit I like...

Bananas aint got shit on apples, and apples aint got shit on Mangos. Although Mango skin contains the same compound that's in poison ivy, which is not so fun.
132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 15, 2014, 08:09:01 PM
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I think timing becomes less of an issue because of the (relatively) long mixing process. Beyond that, I'm not quite sure what you're asking? "Normal" TXs will always be identifiable as such; this is by design and definition. It's just the senders' addresses aren't associated with anyone or anything. IP obfuscation should still be needed, though.

Ah I see. Got hung up on the timing thing I see now how that point is moot. Thanks. Smiley
133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 15, 2014, 07:46:34 PM
instead of bickering over whats the best algo for making an individual transaction disappear, just turn the entire f*cking coin supply into mist !!!
<snip>
It looks like it's almost there to me... I'd start my explanation of why I say that by saying first, it looks like the mist moved from the client to the MNS, and the identifiable part moved from the MNs to the clients... Now, this is not 100% true because the clients are receiving pre-mixed. But quantities and timing are still potentially, sometimes identifiable. Noted, there is a percentage linked on a google docs spreadsheet. Probability it not absolutely. That's why it's called probability and not absolutely.
<snip>

Very good points. A good place to start with regards to the block cycle might be to assign it a random probabilty that stands to have it occur somewhere between every 5-15 blocks or so.

The ultimate goal is to seamlessly hide the person-to-person transactions among the general mixing so that one cannot discern the difference.

I know this probably won't be popular (speed-wise) but maybe a good approach would be for people to have the option to wait for the general mixing to send a transaction (built into the client)? It would certainly slow down transaction speed but if the transaction were synced with the general mixing it would be very difficult to track. It could be implemented in the form of a checkbox perhaps? Maybe call it DarkMist.

I think this is expected behavior and isn't able to be masked (whether a TX is a user/buyer-to-user/seller or a denomination TX). By definition, when you denominate, change addresses are each going to receive homogeneous inputs; when you spend these inputs, you're going to use multiple inputs you need to come up with the proper amount to send to the user/seller. It's always been expected that these inputs will be associated with each other.

So it's like:
Mixing TX: random amounts > homogeneous amounts
Sending TX: homogeneous amounts > random amounts

You will always be able to determine which is which when there's only a single receiver address (which has been discussed thousands of pages ago, and determined unfeasible to use more than one). It doesn't matter when the mixing occurs; the "normal" TXs will be clear regardless.

OK, but with regards to tracking transactions via timing, would it not afford greater anonymity to have the transactions as temporally close as possible? Outliers stick out like a sore thumb.
134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 15, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
The way I understand it, nothing is added to the blockchain between the green boxes. The masternodes never actually hold the funds, they just facilitate signing. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.  
This is correct the masternodes never actually hold the funds they just facilitate transactions.
Pardon me for playing Devil's Advocate: But, if the coins don't actually change hands, how does this obfuscate anything?
XC is coin-forwarding (coins go to the node). DRK's masternode simply signs transactions.
Please enlighten me further; elaborate.

This is probably beyond the border of my understanding but what the hell.

I think what happens is that the masternode signs the transaction and passes it on to the next which signs it, and so on until it finally reaches its destination. So in essence there is a multi-signature chain which is utilized to facilitate a transaction between two addresses. So no one masternode could take the coins because of multiple signatures required, the node never actually has ownership of the coins.
135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 15, 2014, 07:27:36 PM
instead of bickering over whats the best algo for making an individual transaction disappear, just turn the entire f*cking coin supply into mist !!!
I agree that this makes sense for an objective, BUT:

Do the wallet-sent TX stand out in that mist? I still think the client should denominate before it sends to a masternode. This might happen by default per the pre-mix. But, sends from wallets are still not sends from identified MNs, so it's something identifiably not mist going into the mist... Thus, it might be identified coming out. I'd like to see a denominated multi-point-exit to shore this up.

It looks like it's almost there to me... I'd start my explanation of why I say that by saying first, it looks like the mist moved from the client to the MNS, and the identifiable part moved from the MNs to the clients... Now, this is not 100% true because the clients are receiving pre-mixed. But quantities and timing are still potentially, sometimes identifiable. Noted, there is a percentage linked on a google docs spreadsheet. Probability it not absolutely. That's why it's called probability and not absolutely.

If the client sent out DRK in the same denominations, and with the same IP obfuscation (which pre-suppsoes that there will be IP obfuscation added at some point) as the MNs used, there would be no way to know what the hell was going to where. IF change came out of the 8-box look randomly;

1) sometimes skipping a block in timing
2) some bits coming out earlier than others. (MN2 sends one hunk of denominated change, MN5 sends another hunk, etc)

Then the when goes to hell too.

Also, the 10 block cycle is a cycle, not a mist. It's the opposite of homogeneous...

Then you've truly got a homogeneous mist going. The picture/updated info is a mist into which a somewhat thicker mist comes and goes... It's not quite homogenous.

Don't take this as an insult or a troll. It's damn near perfect now. I'm just thinking out loud about how to make it a little MORE perfect...

I wonder if blowjayxt, our resident homojenius wants to chime in on how this is or is not homogeneous?

Very good points. A good place to start with regards to the block cycle might be to assign it a random probabilty that stands to have it occur somewhere between every 5-15 blocks or so.

The ultimate goal is to seamlessly hide the person-to-person transactions among the general mixing so that one cannot discern the difference.

I know this probably won't be popular (speed-wise) but maybe a good approach would be for people to have the option to wait for the general mixing to send a transaction (built into the client)? It would certainly slow down transaction speed but if the transaction were synced with the general mixing it would be very difficult to track. It could be implemented in the form of a checkbox perhaps? Maybe call it DarkMist.

Would it even be possible to do the general mixing every block or two, or would that be too much of a burden on the network?
136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 15, 2014, 07:08:04 PM
From the update:

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Every 10 blocks, user clients network-wide will send any unmixed, traceable Darkcoins in their possession through an anonymization phase. In this phase, Masternodes are used in chained succession to mix the coins they receive from the network and break them down into homogenous denominations. After being processed by a minimum of 2 Masternodes, the coins are either sent to the next Masternode in the chain or back to the user’s wallet at randomly generated change addresses.

Can a user opt-out of this background anonymization for some or all of his or her coins, or is Darkcoin moving to a model where it is essentially mandatory that all coins be mixed in this way even if they are just sitting in wallets?

I ask because it seems like there are use cases where being able to trace the history of your own coins -- or proving that history to others, by pointing them to a neutral third party block explorer -- is a desired feature.  Scrambling the ability to trace and document that history (when the ability to document that history is actually desired, of course) by mixing coins in the background introduces some new wrinkles, especially for business use cases.


You're asking if a coin that is being built for anonymity can be easily traced?

And this:

From the update:

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Every 10 blocks, user clients network-wide will send any unmixed, traceable Darkcoins in their possession through an anonymization phase. In this phase, Masternodes are used in chained succession to mix the coins they receive from the network and break them down into homogenous denominations. After being processed by a minimum of 2 Masternodes, the coins are either sent to the next Masternode in the chain or back to the user’s wallet at randomly generated change addresses.

Can a user opt-out of this background anonymization for some or all of his or her coins, or is Darkcoin moving to a model where it is essentially mandatory that all coins be mixed in this way even if they are just sitting in wallets?

I ask because it seems like there are use cases where being able to trace the history of your own coins -- or proving that history to others, by pointing them to a neutral third party block explorer -- is a desired feature.  Scrambling the ability to trace and document that history (when the ability to document that history is actually desired, of course) by mixing coins in the background introduces some new wrinkles, especially for business use cases.



I respectfully disagree with you, the final transaction the person to person transaction occurs directly so that you can see the coins leave your wallet directly to the recipient's address and you can see the address getting the coins in the blockchain. So you can verify any transaction between buyer and seller just like you do now, but you are using previously mixed and denominated coins so that it is really a fog for everyone else! It is just brilliant, basically ecash! Great for business applications and way better than Bitcoin for B2B.
137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 15, 2014, 06:54:05 PM
Hmmm....

I'd like to know what the inter-master-node TXes look like.

Are they just a send of 26DRK? Or are they denominated at the first hit and remain thusly denominated? Do they mix?

I guess my question is; How does the circle of green boxes work between the boxes?

Another way of saying it: Those black arrows between the green boxes, what's going on there? What do those TXes look like on the BC?

The way I understand it, nothing is added to the blockchain between the green boxes. The masternodes never actually hold the funds, they just facilitate signing. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.  

This is correct the masternodes never actually hold the funds they just facilitate transactions.

@eduffield

This is pretty impressive Mr. Duffield. I can't wait to take it out for a test drive.
138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 14, 2014, 04:43:50 PM
ROADMAP ?

I am trying to evaluate my DRK investment.
Essential to know this week's, and this month's, and this summer's plans.
As it is difficult to nail down specific dates, it could also be like "probably end of July", or "late next week"; or give dates, with a lot of buffer time.

Is there a roadmap, a list of dates?
Planned announcements, whitepapers, next versions, coin features, merchant adoption, conference talks, press conferences, google hangouts, games, competitions, etc. pp. ?

Thank you very much!



https://darkcointalk.org/forums/official-developer-thread.15/

Most of the official stuff is posted in there.
139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 14, 2014, 04:51:50 AM
And this just verifies the quality of the community. Sad I put such a focus on future development here when I was never wanted. gl

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Proof that quantity does NOT equal quality. Bye bye friend. You won't be missed.

Wait, were you planning on developing websites or just reselling the domains?
140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: July 14, 2014, 04:49:48 AM
And this just verifies the quality of the community. Sad I put such a focus on future development here when I was never wanted. gl

You are aware that people are sentient and can choose to do something on their own without some sort of unspoken blessing from the community right?

When you say 'members of the community' do you really mean random people posting on the internet?

Any fool can wrap themselves in a flag for the sake of appearance. A greater fool assumes that because he wears that flag he speaks for everyone.
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