Head of DNR's Foreign Ministry Alexander Kofman proposed to conduct a summit of unrecognised states in Donetsk. Representatives from Basques, Flanders, Venice, Texas, Scotland, Catalonia and Northern Ireland already expressed interest. Up to 30 such "unrecognised" states can be expected to attend this summit. One of the tasks for this summit will be creation of the League of the Newest States. http://www.vz.ru/world/2015/2/4/727846.htmlhttp://ria.ru/world/20150127/1044606766.htmlThere may come a time when the "unrecognised" states are so many, that they will simply stop recognising the "recognised" states.  |
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The Canadian government will be sending financial aid plus radar satellite images to Ukraine to support their fight against Russian-backed separatists, according to Defence Minister Jason Kenney.
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Canada has already sent around $66 million in night-vision goggles, cold weather gear and other non-lethal aid to Ukraine since the conflict broke out.
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Kenney(Defence Minister ) said Canada is "pretty skeptical" of the ceasefire's success given Russian President Vladimir Putin's "unbroken record of violating the two previous ceasefire agreements and interfering in the most outrageous ways in Ukraine." More here : http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-to-send-money-radar-satellite-images-to-ukraine-1.2957385What do you think about this news? Should canada continue to help Ukraina and what will Russia do to stop this support? Talk about saying that white is black. It amazes me (though does not surprise) how if a politician repeats that the sky is green, the general public will gradually start to believe him. Russia is not a part in the Ukrainian domestic conflict, so there is nothing for Putin to violate. The previous Minsk agreements were observed by the Novorossian Armed Forces (NAF), where they pulled their heavy machinery from the conflict zone, a fact used to the full by the Ukrainian army to regroup and pull in fresh supplies. Besides, it was Ukrainians that continued to kill civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk using artillery, despite the supposed "ceasefire". Russia (unlike US and Canada) sent in non-combat, humanitarian aid - 13 OCSE-inspected convoys worth several hundred thousand tonnes of food, medicines and replacement parts for the infrastructure, destroyed by the Ukrainian artillery. So who was violating what? Good, somebody should pay their debt. It's not even that. Ukrainian coup government is know to pocket the money by re-selling Western military supplies - both to NAF and to abroad: https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/breaking-kiev-junta-sells-us-weapons-to-syria/So if Canada does not have anything better to use taxpayer's money on, sure they should go on "helping". As for the question of what would Russia do. It depends on the scale of the Western intervention. In NATO continues to send the same kind of weapons as they did before, Russia will continue doing what it did before: nothing. If NATO misinterprets Russian non-confrontation for weakness and sends ground troops or more powerful weapons (nukes), then Russia will have to respond with military force, and the conflict will be over within a week (reference: Georgian invasion of South Ossetia in 2008 and Russian peacekeeping response) |
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I call them Kiev-Nazis, because that's who came to power in Kiev through a violent coup d'etat. It's a case of calling a spade for a spade.
Ethnic cleansing... How else would you like me to call killing off of the population of Donbass that is based on the language and nationality attribution? The case that a term is loaded does not deprive it of its describing accuracy. But if you prefer: "premeditated killing of Russian population of Dobass".
13 humanitarian aid convoys are well-documented. The rest of the supposed "Russian actions" are pure speculation, devoid of any evidence. Should such evidence exist even remotely, it would be on the front pages of all the Western papers...
I call for Western propaganda only the baseless, factless accusations coming from Western MSM, who parrot the lies, coming from Kiev and don't bother sending their own reporters to Donbass to see what is going on there for themselves. There are Western reporters who don't toe the line, but they are not given air time in MSM. Wonder why...
Believe me (or don't - it's your choice), I lived in the Soviet Union and was on the receiving end of propaganda. I know how it looks and smells like, and just like many other clear-thinking Soviet people, learnt how to look past it, to filter it out. It's sad to see the same tricks being adopted by the free West.
Now, why don't you come up with your own counter-arguments and facts, refuting my points, instead of just saying that it's "propaganda, move along".
EDIT: If you really want a bit of propaganda, let me try writing the following example:
"Obama, Kerry and Stoltenberg are die-hard commies, supporting the tyranny of the Soviet Union legacy. How else can you explain them fighting tooth and claw for the territorial legacy of the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917 (the first "colour" revolution - red), where Lenin took out chunks of Russia - Malorossia and Novorossia - and turned them into Ukraine, while Stalin took other bits of Russia - South Ossetia and Abhasia - and gave them to his own Georgia. Both acts in violation of all feasible laws."
Well, how about it? Only the first part of the above turned out to sound like propaganda, while I slipped back into truth in the second part. Sorry. Writing real propaganda is hard.
You haven't stated many things that will pass as facts. Facts are objective. "Kiev-nazis" is not objective. "Ethnic cleansing" is not objective, it's a propaganda phrase both sides use in every almost every conflict to rally outrage. Your posts are heavily subjective (asserting as facts things that aren't), and pointing that out is enough to discredit them. If you cared to read my replies, you'd have noticed the following objective references: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukrainehttp://fortruss.blogspot.com.es/2015/02/ukraine-we-target-civilians-separatists.htmlAlso, I proposed to use instead of "ethnic cleansing", a more specific and objective " systematic killing of population of the Eastern Ukraine, which is predominantly ethnic Russian". And one of the more know statements to that end. The translation of the quote goes: "Most of the population of the south east must be simply killed. They are not needed.": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_eZfieMGDohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiVXkfgjPcsI already asked you to show me which of my statements were not grounded in facts. You failed to do so, so we are going in circles... |
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a Czech joke http://g.cz/adoptuj-si-sveho-noraAdopt your Norwegian child. During school holidays are many Norwegian teenagers coming to Prague to get drunk, it means that their biological parents do something wrong. So we propose: a) to hunt them down b) get them to a Czech family for re-education, they can see their parents twice a year, the only allowed language will be Czech c) everybody(CPS, parents, the Norwegian government) must understand that it is in the interest of the children, they must be protected from biological parents, they must be given to families with positive attitude to alcohol and learn that it is better to drink a small amount every day than to drink the same amount of alcohol once a week. That joke should really get implemented by Czech CPS. And it would probably be beneficial for the Norwegian teens. Anyone who's seen them wild on Minorca can attest to it.  Naine, thank you for the view of the political side from the Czech perspective. I really appreciate it.
CPS had problem that:
a) she works (she has a part time job)
b) the child is in a wrong school (not a Dutch school, but neither parent is a Dutch, so they were discriminated against in school)
c) I love this one - the mother has too many books.
It's like that reason given by Norwegian CPS, when mother was deemed to be too smart: http://www.mhskanland.net/page10/page122/page122.html(46) Because of her good intellectual functioning and verbal skills we are of the opinion that the mother has been judged to function better than she really does.
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When I watched the meeting unfold yesterday and read about the results, I felt cautiously pessimistic. http://rt.com/news/231571-putin-minsk-ukraine-deal/The reason for it is three-fold: 1. Almost exactly 1 year ago US gave green light for a violent coup d'etat one day after another agreement was signed 2. September Minsk agreements were observed only by one side - the freedom fighters, so there is no reason to think that this time it will be different. 3. Continued sanctions against Russia for brokering peace in Ukraine. Check out the following statement by Kerry: http://rt.com/news/231827-us-sanctions-russia-minsk/It's as if he is saying: Yeah, sure, they think we'll allow them to have peace. US will do anything to keep the pretext for sanctions against Russia - the current war against ethnic Russians by Ukrainian Nazis - in place for as long as possible. As if to confirm this, Merkel, when asked if the newly-agreed upon sanctions against Russia will be put into effect on the 16th, one day after the supposed ceasefire - simply said: Yes. And Poroshenko barely left Minsk, when a powerful explosion rocked Donetsk this night, an explosion that was felt as far as Gorlovka. Yarosh, the head of Kiev-nazis took responsibility for this act of terror, saying that they fired Tochka-U ballistic missile at Donetsk. Lugansk was heavily shelled from artillery today, resulting in more civilian deaths. Around 15 battalions stated that they will no longer report to Poroshenko, but to Right Sector. An Poroshenko hinted that Minsk agreements are not really compulsory. The violence just further escalates, with US and NATO voicing louder and louder sending weapons to Ukraine - not a good start for a "ceasefire". So the last warning by Zaharchenko may well be enacted: Head of the Donetsk People’s Republic Aleksandr Zakharchenko, who signed the Minsk document, said it required additional consultation and warned that “if these terms are broken, there will be no new meetings or memoranda.” |
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Drone Footage: Tesla Tower in Russian winter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tcTwW2_WrUNormally hidden from prying eyes, Ruptly was allowed take exclusive drone footage of the stunning 'Tesla Tower' in the Moscow region. The vast research site is home to general enormous voltage impulse generators that potentially have the capacity to equal Russia's entire electricity output
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Totally brain-dead western mob and their totally useless nazi clients have totally driven Chinese business from Ukraine.  Yeah, it´s very likely that the Russians played those morons like a fiddle and did actually much to facilitate that coup d´etat in Kiev. Certainly they had and still have huge influence and lots of agents in Ukraine after centuries of control of the territory in Russian and Soviet times. Think that ding dong Obama and the British gling glong what´s his face and their courts of clowns ever had a chance in a game against the Russians ? Right. Nah, during the 90's Russia was not sovereign, with every Yeltsin's move controlled from across the pond - not much room for maneuver there. During 2000's it was coming back to its senses and was largely busy with domestic affairs. So after the fall of USSR, Russia was withdrawn from the affairs to its West, the resulting infestation of the Eastern-European states by US tentacles bear witness to it.
Better yet, that bulge at the top looks very pointless. See how much better and more realistic this looks:  He-he. I actually think the bulge in the Western bit can be dropped off, with the rest of Malorossian borders restored in their pre Red colour revolution of 1917 boundaries.
Funny, how Poroshenko had to leave the talks in Minsk for a while to consult with his handlers. Also today, the internationally-wanted criminal Saakashvili has been appointed the head of the councillors to Poroshenko. |
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one of the most laziest nationalities in euro zone... same southerners syndrom, money without work.
Have you ever been to Greece? I have, and I've seen plenty of people working their asses off. Calling all Greeks lazy is short sighted and untrue. The problems of Greece are corruption, socialism, a culture of tax evasion, lack of a decent industry sector, the Euro, and currently austerity. So yes, Greece has plenty of problems, but I wouldn't list overall laziness. Calling Greeks for "lazy" is the official Northern European MSM doctrine to justify why the industries in Greece (and other PIGS countries - just look up, who coined up this term) went belly up and why their agriculture was uprooted (hint: it happened shortly after joining EU, and IMF was involved in the plunder). Just watch these episodes: "Alex": A story about Greece's international image crisis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehsxIjeRaME"Alex" episode 2: The Lazy Greek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad0n-eX_cYIYou say the Greeks are courting a Russian bailout? My guess is the Bear is in no position to bail out anybody. When times get tough go to war - it's a simple solution to unemployment especially in the defense economy sector.
Maybe someday after petroleum is all pumped and burned, the EU will become a de facto satellite of Russia or freeze. Not going to see a trans-Atlantic natural gas pipeline anytime soon.
Russia is actually in quite a good position to bail out friendly states. It has good financial reserve, and small, relative to its GDP, foreign debt. The main question here: should it? None of the previous cases of Russian/Soviet generosity in economic support were appreciated or beneficial for Russia. |
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most people in this forum think that politics is choosing between democrats and republicans. They also think that if they have heard something from CNN or DW it must be the truth! So there is no point in discussions really...
But here have a hint. The problem is systemic. Even if everything doesnt collapse with just Greece it will eventually collapse. Rather soon i might say.
So much more the reason to hold discussions. There is a small number of Russians here holding the fort for Russia, countering MSM "truths", so why not Greeks, who know what is going on in the country do the same for Greece. I have a question. How is the Turkish Stream viewed/discussed in Greece? In Russia, it is said to bring further revenue for Greece, once the pipeline to the Turkish/Greek border is complete at the end of 2016, a revenue that would have previously gone to Bulgaria. Is this factored in in the Greek politics? |
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A prominent article in the Norwegian newspaper VG (one of the largest) yesterday: Tsjekkias president sammenligner norsk barnevern med nazi-program (The president of the Czech Republic compares Norwegian child protection with Nazi program) VG, 9 February 2015 So VG has at long last woken up a little bit. Jan Simonsen has given them information long ago, but as usual the journalists have ignored, with a yawn probably, information about tragic and dramatic child protection cases. (The Norwegian press corps is chock-a-block full of political correctness, and political correctness says that info and protests against the CPS should be ignored.) And that VG article went even to mention that there were protests from Russia, India and Poland, tough not going into details of the other cases. It's definitely a step in the right direction. However, such articles are few and far in between. The previous article is from 2011, when a Polish embassy worker called Norwegian CPS for Hitlerjugend: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/polsk-avis-ambassade-ansatt-kalte-norsk-barnevern-for-hitlerjugend/a/10088287/Another CPS speciality in an article from 2012: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/norske-barnevernsbarn-sendt-paa-straffeturer-med-marinejegere/a/10061715/Children under CPS "care" were disciplined by rather brutal military means, using physical and psychological torture. At least 21 such cases are documented from 1990s and these people were seeking compensation through courts.
A thought about CPS in the Southern Europe. I don't see many (any) complaints about it. Having lived in Spain and travelled around Italy, I can say that family structure and bonds there is very close to those of Russians and Eastern Europeans. A Spanish family as a whole would fight tooth and nail if a child is even slightly inconvenienced, independent of how distant a relative that child is. I wonder if it's only my impression or if it is actually better to move South to avoid CPS harassment that surfaces in Scandinavia, Finland, GB, Holland, Germany, Switzerland..? |
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I feel sorry for the Russians. They really are going backwards, back to the cold war propaganda days. And under Putin they are going to lose the economic gains they made connecting with the west. Goodbye prosperity, hello darkness. If I may paraphrase - the people who told you that two plus two is ten are now telling you that math is a western lie.
And they still claimed economic sanction has not impacted russia .... all is ok LoL http://rusnovosti.ru/posts/363503And Job lost 10% revenue ... http://tvrain.ru/articles/siluanov_predlozhil_sokratit_rashody_bjudzheta_esche_na_600_mlrd_rublej-381763/But as Poutine opened the pandora box ... soon he will invade baltic sea ... because fish speak russian ...... They are pathetic and there is no others words ... they are like german during the WW2 ... we have a big dick ... and we will fuck the world ... But they forget perhaps one things .... Europe Population: 743 224 359 citizen .... Russia : 146 000 000 citizen .... And they expect to fear Europe  Go back to sleep doggy ! And keep your little green men LoL Europe: 743 224 359 citizens... China: 1 366 499 000 citizens... Lol Where do you see China put trouble in EU ... Only russia propaganda and claims ... Russia want peace yes LoL .... Methinks, you were trying to intimidate me with fingers figures... I guess you were talking about sanctions (read, economic isolation), not military strength, right? If so, Europe is not, as it were, the only pebble on the beach. Add to China India with their 1.27 billion people of population and you get the right idea, don't you?  No, deisik, you misunderstood him. From this and previous of his posts he is trying to imply the following: Those subhuman Russians (and Tatars and Chechens and Dagestani and Udmurts and all the other nationalities living in RF) who in total count 146 million occupy so much land, while the superhuman Europeans, counting 743 million occupy only a tiny fraction of it. Not fair! Something violent must be done about it - sanctions and war! Let's call black for white and call a violent EU-backed coup d'etat in Ukraine and EU sanctions against Russia for "Russia put trouble in EU". Interestingly, a moustached Austrian took the hearts of the Germans with the similar rhetoric of Lebensraum around 1930s, and last year a certain first black American president was echoing him with the talks of exceptionalism.... |
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Naine, I don't know about your background, but I would like to make a few observations so as to keep the historical aspects correct. I don't want this to grow too much off-topic, so here are a few short bullt-points a. Yes, Russians and Czechs are different, mostly in that Czechs have been under Germanic influence for a prolonged period. The reason for the family structure lies indeed in agriculture, abut also in the availability of land and in the system of serfdom in Russia that didn't allow peasants to move out up until 1800s. Don't take the results of social studies from the 90s Russia too literally. Russia was experiencing a violent post-Soviet social disintegration at that time and that reflected in the values. Also, if the studies were conducted in Moscow and St.Petersburg, then they would be skewed as these "city-states" are more "Western", than the rest of the country. This leads to b. Everyone somehow forgets that the most damaged nation after 70 years of communism was Russia. What you write at the beginning of point (b) very much applies to Russia too. Czechia made a comparatively peaceful transition, and even during the Soviet rule, Czechia had an inflow of capital and industrialisation from Soviet Union during the post-war reconstruction. I remember visiting Pague for the first time in 1986, when it at all became possible to travel abroad. I was blown away by how well-off Czechs were, at the riches of the "abroad". And I came from Moscow... d. The prohibition of the Ukrainian language by Peter is a myth (and 1729 is the time of Peter II), fostered during the end of 1800s, beginning of 1900s. Some censorship did find place around 1860s, but it was by far not that restrictive. http://vk.com/topic-1001828_22087206?offset=20By the way, there was no Ukraine back then - you had a Novorossia, Malorossia and Galicia regions. The first two spoke largely Russian or a very close dialect of it - Surzhik. The Galician dialect was more interspersed with German and Polish words, but still there was less difference with Russian than, say, between Trøndersk dialect and Oslo dialect of Norwegian. Ukrainian anthem was written by Polish pani, thus the similarity. More info on this in the following article, but it's well outside the scope of this topic https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/free-earth-shift-report-2-the-falsified-history-of-ukraine-and-its-lessons/ |
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I was just going to post about it: Ukrainian lawmakers want to make it a criminal offence, punishable with up to 3 years of prison for denying existence of "Russian military aggression"... |
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PROJECT CAMELOT: SIMON PARKES http://youtu.be/b4WQty5e7Cclisten from 52nd minute. .. it would actually be beneficial to watch the whole lot perhaps. From the summary of that video, I feel that it is moving into far conspiracy territory, something that is often created on purpose to discredit those who question the official line. I think the reasons and motives should be looked for closer to earth.
Dutch government published tens of heavily edited documents pertaining to the crash. RTL News protested against such move from the government and threaten to go to court. http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/02/10/n_6911705.shtml |
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Hmmm... surprise offensive by the Azov Nazis towards Novoazovsk. Already they have seized a number of smaller villages along the Azov sea (such as Shirokino and Pavlopol).
And it has already been reported they took heavy losses. Here is a pic of several captured Azov members. https://twitter.com/Truth_Seeker_11/status/565179886932094976The commenters there say that the "after" photo is from Debaltsevo. Now... Kramatorsk was shelled. This is the reason for the delay of the planned Minsk talks: http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/02/10/n_6912253.shtml?fffThe interesting thing. Now that the Debaltsevo pocket is closed and the cards for Minsk talks are in the hands of DNR, Kiev desperately needs a false flag, and hey presto, here it comes! Kramatorsk was shelled from the direction of Gorlovka, controlled by NRA. And 58 people are wounded as the result. And, unlike when Donetsk is shelled everyday and no one bats and eyelid, this shelling suddenly became high-profile news. http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/02/10/n_6912201.shtmlWhat I know from before, is that there are many mobile hit-and-run provocation Ukro-army groups, operating on the territory of DNR. DNR expects Ukrainian forces to start an offensive (last pitch) against Donetsk from the direction of Orlovka: http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/02/10/n_6912361.shtmlUkraine asked Russia to restructure Ukraine's debt. Russia declined. http://tass.ru/ekonomika/1758277 |
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this topic looks like fight Nemo vs Souldream  Nope. I am not fighting him. I decided not to turn up for a war with him. I am just doing a humble work of educating the masses about history of the region and translating eventual Russian texts to make the information flow less one-sided.
I don't remember if I posted the link to the following analysis, but it's very much worth reading: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2015/02/talks-in-moscow-two-part-analysis.htmlOne of the most interesting things about the Moscow talks is that they mainly happened without the presence of aides and officials i.e. Putin, Hollande and Merkel were by themselves save for interpreters and stenographers. Putin and Merkel are known to be masters of detail and given his background as an enarque I presume Hollande also is. However the German and French officials will be very unhappy about this. The Russians less so because since the meeting is taking place in the Kremlin they are listening in to the discussions via hidden microphones.
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I am coming increasingly round to the view of Alastair Newman that Merkel and Hollande came with no plan to Moscow but with the purpose of having what diplomats call "a full and frank discussion" in private with Putin looking at all the issues in the one place in Europe - the Kremlin - where they can be confident the Americans are not spying on them. That must be why they sent their officials away.
It is also clear that Merkel's and Hollande's visit to Kiev before their flight to Moscow was just for show.
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4. I remain deeply pessimistic about this whole process. The best opportunity to settle this conflict diplomatically was last spring. I cannot help but feel that as Peter Lavelle said on the Crosstalk in which I appeared yesterday, the train has now left the station.
A peaceful solution to the Ukrainian conflict ultimately depends on European resolve to face down the hardliners in Washington and Kiev. It is going to be much harder to do this now than it was last year.
Moreover, despite the bad news on the economy and on the front line in Debaltsevo, the hardliners in Kiev are bound to have been emboldened by all the talk in Washington about sending them arms, which is going to make the effort to bring them round even harder than it already is.
The besetting problem of this whole crisis is that the Europeans have never shown either the resolve or the realism to face the hardliners down though it is certainly within their power to do so. In Merkel's case one has to wonder whether her heart is in it anyway. My view remains that this situation will only be resolved by war, and that the negotiations in Moscow will prove just another footnote to that. |
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The EU is pretty much polarized right now. The camp, lead by UK and Poland, along with Lithuania, Latvia.etc want to give arms to the Kiev junta. The other camp, led by France, Italy and Germany is against that idea.
Baltics are acting suicidally... Either Latvia or Lithuania have already sent a weapons shipment to Kiev-nazis. Latvia punished itself economically by implementing sanctions against Russian singers last year - now 3 festivals have been pulled from Jurmala, which will result in about $100 million loss for Latvia. |
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