You are a real piece of work. For months we have been warning buyers of the potential red flags and to get your money back before the paypal expiration while you continued to cheerlead and troll every single post that are trying to sound an alarm. Now everything you have ever said had turned out to be false and you turn around to point the fingers at us? I will say again you are a fucking moron or a TH shill just trying to muddy the water and buying them time. I suggest anyone looking for legal action do it on your own instead of going with this oxygen thief, it will do nothing but sink you. ---------------------- Majority of the orders are <$10k, you are better off going to small claim on your own (or hire a cheap lawyer if scared of talking in court) 1) Google the small claim process it is pretty straight forward ( http://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/small_claims/) 2) Save and print screenshots of your TH order, TH website pages with stated dates, TH posts here, all order emails. Do it before they start disappearing from the website, any BBB filings done by others. If you trust your fellow board members workout in private to get affidavit from one another it will strengthen both of your cases to show pattern of defrauding the consumer. CA has very strict consumer protection laws. 3) If you paid with wire it will be a relatively simple process by bringing the proof of the transfer but if you paid with btc, you need the transfer log of the btc amount that matches the TH order, as well as the btc/usd exchange rate screen print from mtgox (since the price went up it will only help you) - to explain and show it to the judge clearly btc is real money, because he/she wont have a clue what you are talking about in regards to bitcoin. So you have to give a quick lesson first then prove you gave the btc to the defendant. And also give a clear amount in USD you are seeking in return 4) Last or maybe first, find out who this amir guy is, is he a real person, living the usa? Suing a ghost will not do anything even if you win. It's a slim chance especially if you paid with btc, but can at least give it a try. And need to do it asap, every day waiting makes the case weaker. That's TH entire strategy now just drag it out. Yes, you guys have been more than helpful at causing panic and stress in anyone that has pre-ordered. The people who paid by Credit Card and PayPal can get their money back Now just as they could get it back then, all you guys did was cause people to stress over a non-issue. For those interested I already have over $100,000 worth of PMs that want a refund from TH and are going to be included in this lawsuit if it turns out. If you feel small claims will better suit you go ahead but you will have to physically go there or hire a lawyer anyway to represent you there. If you paid with BTC, you can still get a refund in $ as the product you purchased is price in USD therefore it has a value to be refunded. Don't let these internet lawyers convince you that you don't have recourse. Secondly, everything that newguy05 posts is Bullshit to the highest degree. Amir is an actual person (Many people have met him, more than I even thought based on the PMs I'm receiving) and we have physical locations and phone numbers associated with him. No matter what these trolls try to conjure up in their head, one thing is true. They are not here to help you, they are here to post links that won't ever get your money back unless you paid with PayPal or CC and you honestly didn't need their help to get those refunds if you paid that way anyways. They are not interested in helping recover your money by doing any sort of meaningful legwork, their only reason for being on this forum is to cause you stress by speculating on what Terrahash is doing/going to do/ or scamming you. The only reason they post is to put down anyone that is trying to help the customers of Terrahash. Take a good look at these trolls, put them on ignore, and be mournful that there are scum like this in the community. You have caused more harm to this ordeal than everyone else combined, dont pretend to turn 180 and play the community savior now. I have never pretended or said anything that is not true nor have any motive but trying to provide some basic info to people who lost a lot of money, unlike you who has dribbled nothing but false info and lies to string everyone along then turn around 180 trying to do the opposite. My points were stated clearly in my post you quoted which you continue to twist and fail to understand just like everything else, which is: 1) Make sure you confirm the person you are taking to court, i never said if "amir" is real or not, i dont know. But it's a key point to make sure you have the person's full legal name correct.. 2) If people are seeking legal action, do it on their own in small claim or team up with other reputable plaintiffs and hire an attorney together, not trust a piece of shit like you who will do nothing but waste everyone's time and money. 3) file soon, every day waiting goes against your case. Bargraphics, going with your continued bullshit - you said you have $100k worth of pm, that's good. Today is 2013/09/21, i will wait for your good news to recover those "$100k". |
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3) If you paid with wire it will be a relatively simple process by bringing the proof of the transfer but if you paid with btc, you need the transfer log of the btc amount that matches the TH order, as well as the btc/usd exchange rate screen print from mtgox (since the price went up it will only help you) - to explain and show it to the judge clearly btc is real money, because he/she wont have a clue what you are talking about in regards to bitcoin. So you have to give a quick lesson first then prove you gave the btc to the defendant. And also give a clear amount in USD you are seeking in return
Just as a point of interest with regards to informing a judge that BTC is real money. I recall seeing some information that recently a US federal judge made a ruling in a case that BTC was legal tender or a currency I don't remember which at this point. I am not going to look for it but if you need the info it is in these forums somewhere. I know not all courts are required to recognize each other but it could help the judge to understand BTC by showing some legal precedence. that will be very helpful if true, bring the case detail of that ruling with you, will save a lot of explanation, you can just show it to the judge. it will be a very useful document to have. |
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I am trying to figure out how to pass on bitcoins via trust or will or some other service/instrument.
The problems are multiple
[1] How do you trust some one to do this, they can simply abscond, and it would be hard to track/stop/recover
[2] If the child/beneficiary is not technically good, and can't grasp private keys, and the pitfalls with bitcoin use, and wallets, encryption/duplication and back up of data sets etc
[3] Air gaping etc
I'm sorta thinking that you need a service, that gets one key file for say true a crypt container and another separate organization gets another key file and both then sends them to the beneficiary and neither organization knows who you gave the other key file to.
then the person can unlock the encrypted file, which you left them on multiple media and cloud etc, and you have to leave detailed instructions and say some GLD coins or cheap coin in a wallet/with private keys as well and tell them to play with that first, back up etc etc
open to ideas
It sorta really important say you get hit by a bus , and don't have this set up, that's its all for nothing.
buy a bunch casascius coins and put it in a bank storage box, then put it in the will instructing the attorney to give the storage box key to the beneficiaries |
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I already have a lawyer lined up in California for anyone that is interested in joining in.
Just PM me and I'll do what I can.
I'd prefer not to release any of Amirs personal information here as there's no need for that, the justice system is here for a reason.
Contrary to what Atomic, btcie, newguy05, or any of the other trolls want you to believe there are some people in this thread that are actually on the side of the customers. People that have been in contact with Terrahash, have actually went a visited them, one even took pictures to bring back to the community.
A lot of you guys are ungrateful fucks and I truly mean that. I want no part in helping you recover any money you lost and hope that one day you will grow-up and act like an adult who has to take responsibility for their actions even on the "Anonymous Internet".
People don't care if you are wrong or right in if Terrahash is a scam or not, they truly don't. All they care is that they are communicated to properly by Terrahash or have a way of receiving their money back.
So I repeat myself, anyone that isn't one of those "ungrateful fucks" (You know who you are) and wants to do more than circle jerk on an internet forum, PM me. I'm more than happy to gather all of the information necessary to force communication from Terrahash or legally force a refund for you guys.
You are a real piece of work. For months we have been warning buyers of the potential red flags and to get your money back before the paypal expiration while you continued to cheerlead and troll every single post that are trying to sound an alarm. Now everything you have ever said had turned out to be false and you turn around to point the fingers at us? I will say again you are a fucking moron or a TH shill just trying to muddy the water and buying them time. I suggest anyone looking for legal action do it on your own instead of going with this oxygen thief, it will do nothing but sink you. ---------------------- Majority of the orders are <$10k, you are better off going to small claim on your own (or hire a cheap lawyer if scared of talking in court) 1) Google the small claim process it is pretty straight forward ( http://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/small_claims/) 2) Save and print screenshots of your TH order, TH website pages with stated dates, TH posts here, all order emails. Do it before they start disappearing from the website, any BBB filings done by others. If you trust your fellow board members workout in private to get affidavit from one another it will strengthen both of your cases to show pattern of defrauding the consumer. CA has very strict consumer protection laws. 3) If you paid with wire it will be a relatively simple process by bringing the proof of the transfer but if you paid with btc, you need the transfer log of the btc amount that matches the TH order, as well as the btc/usd exchange rate screen print from mtgox (since the price went up it will only help you) - to explain and show it to the judge clearly btc is real money, because he/she wont have a clue what you are talking about in regards to bitcoin. So you have to give a quick lesson first then prove you gave the btc to the defendant. And also give a clear amount in USD you are seeking in return 4) Last or maybe first, find out who this amir guy is, is he a real person, living the usa? Suing a ghost will not do anything even if you win. It's a slim chance especially if you paid with btc, but can at least give it a try. And need to do it asap, every day waiting makes the case weaker. That's TH entire strategy now just drag it out. |
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although I don't expect they will be keeping it for long.
why not? |
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truth is, although Im worried about my investment, Im worried about the founders of TH as well. you can all be as cold about money as you want, but there is probably equal chance that this lack of communication could have been caused by personal tragedy
Most likely the same personal economic tragedy that is affecting most of the people in this thread... you guys are all a bunch of fucking idiots if you believe that, TH pulled at least half a mil $ out of bitcoin/wire payments alone. What have they actually used the money for? a couple steel boxes, handful of half working boards, oh and a few boxes of resistors/wires that cost pennies. They never invested this money in anything, it doesnt take a genius to figure this out, and if you are really that dense just look at the chips that got sent in - if they were really ready just missing the avalon shipment, those chips should be turned around in days instead of silence. How else would they expect to make 40k chips worth of orders. they scammed your money and is not giving it back, all the bullshit about hosting and refund after 3 month etc.. is exactly that...bs. Like watching a train wreck, i just cant turn away. Are people really this fucking stupid, if you are out of 4 figures i would be filing for legal action weeks ago. |
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I've always disagreed that Terrahash is a scam, I still disagree that they are. A poorly run business and a scam are two different things.
The end result is the same. Customers get screwed. Somewhat, In a scam you are likely to never get your money back. With a poorly run business, you will eventually get a product or get all/some of your money back which is what we're trying to accomplish right now. Which will generate negative outcome. Yeah, pretty much the same thing as a scam  Lol. :/ You assume the product you will get is the same one you purchased and not the next generation. That being said, no one guaranteed you a ROI, that's how this game works. They guaranteed a product not ROI, if they delivered the product and it did not ROI that's perfectly fine, but they took the money and delivered nothing. Bargraphics, why are you still here? why are you still talking? i thought you yourself stated if TH miss the chip delivery countdown clock you will be silent. They missed. So please stfu. |
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Each board will have a performance of 40 to 80 GH/s (best demonstrated 64 Ghash/s).
is this a fucking joke? what is the guaranteed performance? is it 40GH or 80GH? Imagine if the world is like this, i am selling a $30k car it could be a kia or a mercedes, i am selling a $1000 plane ticket, it may take you to china or africa. wtf, most clueless asic sell ad of the year. |
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Any news from hchc? It's 2 weeks already. He should have received his k16 by now.
TH has a few more hours to ship the boards. Timer removed. End time: 2013-09-13+24:00:00EDT Nope no response from my multiple IMs last couple days. Last they told me they are "assembling" my boards to be ship out end of this week. Dunno what board, might as well be a bunch of cardboard  So it's official. TH has FAILED. The clock is actually being generous. My chips has been in their possession for more than 15 days. And I'm willing to compensate for their incompetence by accepting K16 instead of K64 (by buying extra hubs and cables). They claim a lot of things and succeed in none. But what can we do? We are being held hostage at this point. They don't even have the gut to speak up. The only saving grace for them is to overnight my order over the weekend but that is wishful thinking. Have a good weekend guys. the only positive out of this disaster is bargraph can finally be silent per his own statement. unfortunately it wont help you hchc, should just sold the chips looking back  sorry bud |
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We do believe in what we are doing and we will continue with the usual energy and dedication.
Again, advice for those who are holding is to wait until 30/10/2013 to take any final decision, those interested in acquiring
shares should just take advantage of the current cheap prices.
yes to give you time to dump all your shares. the only measure of truth is how much btc you are paying to the shareholders, the 2 TH was clearly stated as mining and dividend expected, but now even that is not happening. i am more pissed about wasting time reading this thread than losing a few btc since it moves so freaking fast with all the lemmings posting nonstop. anyways another fuck you. |
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TheSwede75,
You already stated 2TH has been hashing, all I want to know is WHEN will the dividend from those 2 TH getting distributed?
As stated tweaking of miners did cause a delay of hashing coming online at a steady pace. I am not trying to excuse this and of course mining not running stable as of now is a minor setback. The team is however very confident that this will be resolved within the next two weeks and as the larger production batches of chips 100k+ chips arrive production of miners and hash rate will be brought online as per the schedule posted. Within 20 day, 20th+ Month of Oct 50TH Month of Nov 100TH+ End of year 500TH Obviously, as a share holder myself I cannot wait until the team is ready to post a public address for hash rate.
I just dumped my entire share, thread unwatched, a nice fuck you for wasting my time and 3 BTC.
/waveLMFAO 3BTC, thank god please the rest of you 3BTC big boy investors sell everything, so big boys can buy shares and take control. only a moron will invest more than lunch money portions in any of those securities, i bought 4000 shares @0.0033, sold now, total loss was ~3 btc. i dont know what is so funny about that /shrug go ahead and take control |
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TheSwede75,
You already stated 2TH has been hashing, all I want to know is WHEN will the dividend from those 2 TH getting distributed?
As stated tweaking of miners did cause a delay of hashing coming online at a steady pace. I am not trying to excuse this and of course mining not running stable as of now is a minor setback. The team is however very confident that this will be resolved within the next two weeks and as the larger production batches of chips 100k+ chips arrive production of miners and hash rate will be brought online as per the schedule posted. Within 20 day, 20th+ Month of Oct 50TH Month of Nov 100TH+ End of year 500TH Obviously, as a share holder myself I cannot wait until the team is ready to post a public address for hash rate.
I just dumped my entire share, thread unwatched, a nice fuck you for wasting my time and 3 BTC.
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TheSwede75,
You already stated 2TH has been hashing, all I want to know is WHEN will the dividend from those 2 TH getting distributed?
Dividend from SHAREHOLDER funds will be paid as first dividend on September 17th. thank you |
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TheSwede75,
You already stated 2TH has been hashing, all I want to know is WHEN will the dividend from those 2 TH getting distributed?
They said tuesday. Although just cause they pay a dividend does not mean they actually got it from mining. who cares, as long as dividend gets paid for a while. all those "securities" and asic sellers are scams at different levels. |
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TheSwede75,
You already stated 2TH has been hashing, all I want to know is WHEN will the dividend from those 2 TH getting distributed?
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buzzdave, given the recent difficulty increases, is there any plan to decrease the oct deliverable prices?
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those guys are just grasping for straws right now, offloading as much risk as possible to the suc..err buyers, given the difficulty gap.
ladies & gents we are now finally in the endgame, expect to see many asic hardware manufacturer to start losing money by next year and fold shop. unless you have a very thoroughly understanding of what is going on and what is happening in the next few months, your best bet is just to buy bitcoins directly instead of asic hardware if want to be in the game. Personally i am just holding cash and waiting.
By fold up shop you mean mine like hell, right? :-) I mean the r&d, manufacturing, and shipping cost basis of those hardware will no longer support a profit with the difficulty increase and instead cost more than income. Look at the asic blades, their cost basis is probably 1-2 btc, it was selling for 50 btc, now it's around 4 btc. In a few months this will no longer be profitable to manufacture. Now look at a new manufacturer such as cointerra who has not made any profit yet from the first few asic waves like am already done, they are just hitting the market at those stressed prices to begin with and the situation will only get worse, for them it's not only the hardware cost but also the r&d cost. Yes the chips will be cheaper to make as they pack more gh, but the endgame is still bleak with THs of difficulty all coming online from various late comers trying to make the final wave. Bitfury barely made it in to squeeze out a good profit, anything new coming out dec+ will have a very difficult time unless btc/usd increases drastically which looks doubtful. The writing is on the walls. EDIT: for anyone confused i am talking about asic manufacturers only in above post, for small retail miners the game is already up. |
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those guys are just grasping for straws right now, offloading as much risk as possible to the suc..err buyers, given the difficulty gap.
ladies & gents we are now finally in the endgame, expect to see many asic hardware manufacturer to start losing money by next year and fold shop. unless you have a very thoroughly understanding of what is going on and what is happening in the next few months, your best bet is just to buy bitcoins directly instead of asic hardware if want to be in the game. Personally i am just holding cash and waiting.
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i havent really been following this thread just too much spam, but can someone just summarize what's the issue in concise fashion? below is what i understand what labcoin is doing:
1) 2 TH mining
2) first dividend (from the 2 TH profit) next week (tuesday?)
3) 4 TH by 9/16
4) dividend every 2 weeks based on 4 TH etc..
i thought the news updates were pretty straight forward on btct.co, and they are hitting the dates. What are the issues? 1) all a lie? 2) dividend too low? 3) or??
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when is first dividend payment coming
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