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1221  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I made 100BTC with Satoshi's dice. Is this normal? on: July 20, 2012, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: UnitClick
Is this normal?

Well, it's 1.9% less normal than to lose 100 BTC. You should probably stop now. Smiley

If not: Be sure to post when you lose.

It's not good to have gamblers speak only when they're on a winning streak.
1222  Other / Off-topic / Re: PayPal gripe megathread - Calling all haters - post your worst in here! on: July 20, 2012, 08:24:01 PM
Novelty account. Wink
1223  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Announce] "Pay What You Want" at CoinDL - downloads marketplace, Bitcoin-only on: July 20, 2012, 07:10:26 PM
After todays visit, I bought the Alco album. Nice!  Smiley The album downloaded as "alco.zip"

Suggestion: Change the name of the the downloaded object to something like "CoinDL-author-product.zip"

For example: "CoinDL-Justin_B_Porter-Keys_of_Life.zip"

I figure it's sort of easy to delete a file named "alco.zip" or "wallpaper.zip" by accident.
1224  Economy / Trading Discussion / Flash Crash on Mt.Gox today? on: July 20, 2012, 05:22:58 PM
There was a brief crash today from 8.58 down to 8.22 then immediately back to 8.52 within single digit seconds.

Result: Clark moody promptly died, btccharts stopped ticking, Mt. Gox went unresponsive for the duration, and bitcointalk went down for a minute or less.

Someone bought several thousand bitcoins at (up to) 0.36 USD below market on Mt.Gox. Can someone explain this anomaly?
1225  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Announce] "Pay What You Want" at CoinDL - downloads marketplace, Bitcoin-only on: July 20, 2012, 02:29:28 PM
Because... why? Smiley

There's just no incentive for weex to release this information.

I suspect we're talking < 1000 BTC, certainly less than 10000 BTC since launch anyway.

Given some time and healthy growth, it could make sense to puff one's feathers
and show off with "One million BTC powered downloads served" or something.

But for a low volume business with small transactions: Nope.
1226  Other / Off-topic / 450-Year-Old Debt. Trillions Owed. on: July 20, 2012, 10:48:33 AM
The sleepy hamlet of Mittenwalde in eastern Germany could become one of the richest towns in the world if Berlin were to repay it an outstanding debt that dates back to 1562.

Quote
A certificate of debt, found in a regional archive, attests that Mittenwalde lent Berlin 400 guilders on May 28 1562, to be repaid with six percent interest per year.

According to Radio Berlin Brandenburg (RBB), the debt would amount to 11,200 guilders today, which is roughly equivalent to 112 million euros ($136.79 million).

Adjusting for compound interest and inflation, the total debt now lies in the trillions, by RBB's estimates.

Town historian Vera Schmidt found the centuries-old debt slip in the archive, where it had been filed in 1963.
Though the seal is missing from the document, Schmidt told Reuters that she was certain the slip was still valid.
...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48236142

A different kind of debt crisis. Smiley

Tangentially relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin#Bequest

Thoughts, discussion?

1227  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crash!!!! on: July 19, 2012, 11:52:46 PM
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg10zigHourlyztgSza1gEMAzm1g10za2gEMAzm2g21zv

"Goombo's Indicator" just went red. 10/21 period hourly EMA crossover from "hold" to "sell".
1228  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wendon Group, et al. on: July 19, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
You can continue this if it entertains you, but it will all be a matter of public record upon court action against the Consultancy.

Details please?

Have you filed a complaint? Are you in the process of doing so? To which jurisdiction? What is the cause of action?
1229  Economy / Marketplace / Re: What's not catered for in bitcoin land ? on: July 19, 2012, 11:05:09 PM
Immediate thought: Facebook app for sending BTC to friends.

A quick search shows it's been tried already, sort of, but hasn't exactly taken off:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69071.0
http://pierreterre.com/blog/how-bitcoin-may-undo-applefacebook-30-sales-tax
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin-App.com

1230  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-07-19 tom'shardware - Bitcoin è moneta virtuale per combattere la crisi on: July 19, 2012, 10:51:46 PM
Now there's an awesome title. Smiley
1231  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin 500 richest addresses, updated often. on: July 19, 2012, 01:36:04 PM

the monster address has shrunk noticeably


That would be the BTCST treasury, in my guess. Down by 20%, oh my. ^^
1232  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This is us... on: July 19, 2012, 01:30:05 PM
Indeed: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/wtcfa/deloitte_the_future_of_exchanging_value/
1233  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-07-17 deloitte.com - The future of exchanging value Uncovering new ways of on: July 19, 2012, 01:24:17 PM
Awesome! Quoting the conclusion:

Quote from: Deloitte
While the potential for new technologies and currencies to disrupt the existing payments ecosystem is high, the role of sovereign currencies and established payment solutions is secure in the short to medium term. Any shift in consumer behaviour will be gradual due to the need for consumers to develop a level of trust in these alternative payment methods; trust in the payment solution, trust in the stewardship of the organisation that operates the solution, and trust in the regulatory environment that the solution operates under. The vast majority of people are, and will continue to be, paid in a sovereign currency. Established payment networks (i.e. technologies and business relationships) also provide a significant barrier to newer players. As with most disruption, the shift will start in the niches before gradually working its way to the centre. While solutions are currently targeted at niches toward the bottom end of the market, they will quickly move up market as they mature. Consumer trust in these alternative payment mechanisms continues to grow despite a number of very public incidents that might test their confidence, such as the recent insolvency of the REDGroup and subsequent devaluation of all the outstanding gift cards issued by its collection of retailers.

Increased adoption of alternative platforms and currencies will drive us to take a more nuanced view of payments and how we exchange value. Organisations need to adopt a design- and customer-centred approach; one founded on how the consumer’s ‘job they want done’ is changing as their behaviour evolves, putting aside the old technology and infrastructure-centric approaches to payments that we have used in the past.

As payments blend with virtual communities (and the new contexts and currencies this implies), and the distinction between real and virtual spaces is eroded, it is important to ensure that a payments strategy aligns with how people interact and transact in these new environments, and how they bridge between the old and new worlds. A longitudinal approach is required, centred on the need to simplify the customer’s entire buying journey by ensuring that the right payment solution is available at the right place and time to service the customers’ transaction. The next generation of solutions will enable consumers to transact when they want, how they want, with whom they want and in the currency that is most convenient. Payments need to take effect immediately, allowing consumers to exchange value with a merchant or a friend and then continue with their day. The solutions need to be ubiquitous, with payment providers able to support consumers transacting in the context the consumer finds most convenient, whether it might be at the cash register, in the aisle, standing with friends infront of a restaurant after a meal, on the internet, or in a virtual social environment. Providers must also support transactions in the consumer’s full portfolio of currencies, and not just sovereign currencies.

In the background is the risk, for all stakeholders, of new regulatory regimes driven by governments’ need to provide a safe environment for consumers and merchants, and to assure tax revenue. As these new payment platforms become ubiquitous, the risk increases of a failure affecting a significant proportion of the consumer population, as does the possibility of transactions moving offshore. How will governments’ react if one of these non-banking institutions fails? Some of these organisations might be the largest in their sector, such as Google with Google Wallet, but will they be considered financial institutions? Governments will be concerned with solvency and the security of firms that offer non-traditional payment services. Central Banks which are responsible for the smooth running of the payments infrastructure, such as the Reserve Bank of Australia, will move to integrate these new payments providers into existing payments frameworks. Accordingly, these firms may be required to apply for banking licences as they are, in effect, taking deposits. Other non-banking institutions might also be brought under the regulatory umbrella to ensure that the complementary currencies they offer, the gift cards and social media credits, remain solvent and to prevent them from becoming platforms for money laundering and fraud.


Regulators also need to consider the transnational nature of the emerging (virtual) complementary currencies. Where previously a complementary currency could be outlawed (as many local currencies were in Germany during the Great Depression), or regulation passed to bring the complementary currency inline with sovereign currency (which happened to Bartercard), these new complementary currencies are managed by foreign, transnational organisations. In the case of Bitcoin there is no central authority. Transactions, and the tax revenue associated with them, can move offshore, even when the product or service is manufactured and provided locally. The transnational nature of these currencies will make regulation challenging, while also making the currencies virtually impossible to eliminate.

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Our relationship with merchants has moved away from the cash register and we now stand at the edge of a dramatic shift in where, when and how we exchange value.
Organisations that cannot work with regulators to engender trust in their solution’s operation or follow the consumer-merchant relationship and provide payment solutions that are not instantaneous and ubiquitous, risk being left behind.

Posted to Reddit.  Smiley
1234  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should a bitcoinica clone be put online ? on: July 18, 2012, 04:53:24 PM
We need shorting back.

Aye. Could care less for trading on margin and interest on deposits and open positions.

How come mt-gox does not allow short selling? Financial regulations?



1235  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Real Time Charting, Order Book, and Time & Sales on: July 18, 2012, 04:41:47 PM
I assume they are some sort of averages, but over what parameters?

The 10/21 EMAs are now plotted on bitcoin.clarkmoody.com, by the way.
1236  Economy / Securities / Re: How much BTC have you lost out on because you listened to Vandroiy? on: July 18, 2012, 04:18:23 PM
How much will you bescurvied boatswain lose if you don't listen to Vandroiy?

Ponzi is a hell of a drug. That's sorta why it works.

The exhilarating ride to glory! Bounty beyond imagination! The thrill! The rush!

Can this ship sail for another year? Every midshipman and sailor shall be a millionaire!

Yet in this thralling dream, you somehow know, the final port is that of ruin and despair.
1237  Economy / Speculation / Re: #bitcoin IRC log: A pirate leads a flock of sheep over a cliff. on: July 17, 2012, 07:52:21 PM
pirateat40 has taken a stand 9$ is the top, and hes got to convince everyone to fallow him back down bellow 7

Are you sure?  People thought the sun orbited the earth at one point, until they improved their mental model.

As pirate said on irc, it was the very short term price increase ("bubble") forming with the run up to btcusd=9.5 that triggered his correction.

The real question you should ask is, who was the pumper driving the price up, causing the panic buying?

(wasn't me.)

Same guy. Size of the initial pump and later dump orders that were executed at market value match. Bid wall size matches. Walls taken down, moved around, etc.

It was just one guy. He made literally no effort to hide that.
1238  Economy / Speculation / Re: #bitcoin IRC log: A pirate leads a flock of sheep over a cliff. on: July 17, 2012, 07:33:02 PM
Here's a graph of the action with some of the pirateat40 comments from the IRC log correlated approximately.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ngzj47.png

If what pirate was saying is true, he's feeding a stronger bull.
exactly, IMO pirateat40 is stuck in an impossible situation

idk I'm most likely wrong, but what he did yesterday shows us his game plan and we see that its not a good plan


+1

The market is already to big for him to control it.

Were you asleep yesterday?
1239  Economy / Speculation / Re: #bitcoin IRC log: A pirate leads a flock of sheep over a cliff. on: July 17, 2012, 07:02:39 PM
Here's a graph of the action with some of the pirateat40 comments from the IRC log correlated approximately.

The timestamps from pastebin are UTC +1 btw. Not sure if you accounted for that.
1240  Economy / Speculation / Re: Pirate Manipulation behind the recent price spike? on: July 17, 2012, 06:53:13 PM
Unless we have cold hard evidence(TM) from mtgox, pirate is just making shit up.

You're Entitled to Arguments, But Not (That Particular) Proof.

He could be making shit up, but that's not what he said on #btcst today.

I suppose he could also be lying to his lenders, but that would be obviously stupid, in the long run.
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