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12321  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Using a biological analogy ...

Over the past few years, organs have begun shutting down and irreversible damage has occurred. Falling blood pressure (dropping velocity) means loss of consciousness is imminent.

... indication of impending mortality.

When a sociological organism begins to lose consciousness, it panics just like a biological one. With M2 velocity collapsing, the sociorg is no longer able to take actions that could right itself - like playing Tetris at a level too fast to move blocks into position. If M1 takes a nosedive, it's all over - that's where day-to-day activities fail to happen on a cohesive level.

Very interesting analogy which I think fits into the general thesis of The Great Credit Contraction where capital burrows down the liquidity pyramid into safer more liquid assets.

But even with the massive damage being done by the State humanity is still on an upward trajectory with advancements happening in science, math, computers, etc. and all of that is capital accumulation.



One thing that is so exciting about Bitcoin is its censorship resistant properties. The main problem from the State's interference in money and currency is its massive interference in the pricing mechanism. With a censorship resistant currency the economy will be able price much more efficiently by being able to route around the State imposed damage from monetary and financial regulation.

This will allow economic calculation to happen on a scale never before seen in human history and is extremely bullish for the generation and creation of wealth on a ginormous scale.

who's Trace Mayer?  Grin

seriously though, a couple of comments.  first, the bad debt needs to be cleared to allow us to evolve to the next level using all this great technology being developed.  for that to happen, we are going to have more than a few years of rough times ahead as the dredge gets cleaned out (bad businesses and corruption).  only then yes, society can move forward otherwise the weight of irredeemable debt payments will continue to suffocate us.  Greece and Europe are great examples of how its impossible to solve a debt problem with more debt.

Bitcoin is going to help in this regard by causing widespread deflation aka price discovery.  look around you; everything is overpriced.  this has occurred b/c of 40 yrs of widespread debt expansion that has provided the vast majority of the money supply.  this debt is in the process of actively defaulting decreasing the money supply and causing a scramble for the remaining currency to pay this debt off.  thus the USD should rise as it has already lost all its value since 1913 helping to create this mess.  those who don't understand the primacy of debt expansion are doomed to make a huge investment mistake assuming that inflation is inevitable.  its that same linear thinking i've talked about that will get you.
12322  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 10:37:31 PM
10 year bull market, and now a 4 year bear market...

sounds like cypherdoc is spot on.

If by 'spot on' you mean opposite of reality, then yes Smiley

Paper could follow that path, but physical metal won't.

misreality, you just said about a month ago that that divergence wasn't likely to play out like you thought.  flipping around again?
12323  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 10:36:11 PM

i'm making huge bank on this short.
12324  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 09:16:12 PM




12325  Economy / Speculation / Re: Financial Risk Analytics-Subscription Service on: December 05, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
warning
12326  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 09:08:33 PM
Think of a runner on a treadmill. The runner is inflation, the treadmill is deflation. Until the runner's body gives out from dehydration or exhaustion, things continue as normal - at least in appearance.
No reason why inflation can't last forever.  It's easier (less short-term negative consequences) to grow the monetary base than to shrink it.  Without monetary base reduction, deflation cannot go on forever.

Until real assets are completely exhausted and actual shortages cause widespread disruption (including starvation & death), monetary inflation can mask deflation.

shortages + money printing = inflation (when money velocity and lending is constant, which usually isn't the case after a boom period).

agreed.  so tell me, where is MV going?



Compare to M1:



There is no truly reliable metric I know of for euro/petrodollars, which would be similar to M3. We have no good way of knowing what the velocity is on derivatives.

Now take note of excess reserves at depository institutions:



Velocity is falling largely because the flow has been redirected - funds are now pooling at financial institutions. Domestic US monetary demand still exists, but is being starved due to reserve-building (similar situation in Europe). It is a ratchet effect wherein the institutional buffer is reinflated, then velocity rises. If even a small percentage of institutional reserves flow into the real economy, velocity can be accelerated to a breaking point.

Using a biological analogy, M1 could be compared to base physiological function - alligator brain activity controlling the organs, respiration, heart rate, etc. M2 might then be sensory interpretation and fine motor control. Derivatives and other instruments would be analogous to higher conscious thought and activity.

What I think we've seen is an organism that has sustained grievous injury and reacted - the 1970s through 1980s were the period during which a trauma occurred due to war and oil supply shock, and the initial response manifested. It may be viewed as a physical assault followed by a fight-or-flight reaction boosting awareness and overall body activity in preparation.

In the 1990s, the organism's response from the previous decade was no longer able to keep pace with the loss of blood from its injury. During the early 2000s, aggression increased as systemic functionality remained. Over the past few years, organs have begun shutting down and irreversible damage has occurred. Falling blood pressure (dropping velocity) means loss of consciousness is imminent.

Excess reserves display the blood supply present in the core relative to the periphery - by shunting blood to the core, the limbs are sacrificed to (hopefully) ensure survival of the entity. This is synonymous with a body in a state of shock - an extremely dangerous situation, and an indication of impending mortality.

When a sociological organism begins to lose consciousness, it panics just like a biological one. With M2 velocity collapsing, the sociorg is no longer able to take actions that could right itself - like playing Tetris at a level too fast to move blocks into position. If M1 takes a nosedive, it's all over - that's where day-to-day activities fail to happen on a cohesive level.

Oddly enough, M3 could still be skyrocketing, as activity there won't fail until M1 falls apart and supply runs out at the higher levels. The body dies, but the mind remains for a short time.

What might transpire over the course of a few minutes for a human body is taking place over a few decades for the sociorg.

but its been going down since 1996.  Japan has been dropping for 30+ years.  "forever" is quite a long time investment horizon.

While there are major similarities, Japan does not have the world's reserve currency and therefore does not run the same risks. The dollar does not have the flexibility to grind along because it has been the fiat foundation of the global economy. There are dynamics that would shatter the dollar if the Fed blatantly tried to pull a Japan.

the only lending that the banks are going to do are those loans that they can immediately flip to FNM/Freddie/FHA as i've referenced above.  absent that, they are hoarding money prepraring for the STHF.  they will swoop in when prices hit bottom for all risk assets including gold/silver in about 4-6 years.
12327  Economy / Speculation / Re: Housing Market Inventory At Extreme Lows [Dec 2012] on: December 05, 2012, 08:52:12 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/business/in-an-fha-checkup-a-startling-number.html?emc=eta1&_r=1&
12328  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 08:44:29 PM
ah, finally some good news:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/elizabeth-warren-banking-committee_n_2236898.html
12329  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 08:16:03 PM
here's a couple of nice piggybacking articles to illustrate just how good it is to be a bankster; if you can get the work:

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/12/04/bank-profits-fannie-freddie/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+fortunefinance+%28Fortune+Finance%3A+Hedge+Funds%2C+Markets%2C+Mergers+%26+Acquisitions%2C+Private+Equity%2C+Venture+Capital%

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/freddie-mac-to-step-up-mortgage-repurchase-demands-2012-12-04

you have to ask yourselves what business does Fannie and Freddie (didn't they go BK?) still have accepting mortgages on behalf of the American ppl to prop up the bonuses of these guys?
12330  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 07:33:42 PM

shortages + money printing = inflation (when money velocity and lending is constant, which usually isn't the case after a boom period).

agreed.  so tell me, where is MV going?



I know it is going down, which is typical for a recession.  And this can last for a very long period, just look at Japan.  Only, it won't last forever.

but its been going down since 1996.  Japan has been dropping for 30+ years.  "forever" is quite a long time investment horizon.
12331  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 07:31:04 PM
plumbing new lows:



I'm not all back in yet, buying oppurtunity, it dips much more and I'll buy back in to where I was.

you keep saying that.  give us a target.
12332  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 06:54:40 PM
i'm convinced that almost everyone here has never bought a piece of real estate and until you do, you'll never quite understand the primacy of debt:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122886.msg1341199#msg1341199
12333  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 06:51:34 PM
Think of a runner on a treadmill. The runner is inflation, the treadmill is deflation. Until the runner's body gives out from dehydration or exhaustion, things continue as normal - at least in appearance.
No reason why inflation can't last forever.  It's easier (less short-term negative consequences) to grow the monetary base than to shrink it.  Without monetary base reduction, deflation cannot go on forever.

Until real assets are completely exhausted and actual shortages cause widespread disruption (including starvation & death), monetary inflation can mask deflation.

shortages + money printing = inflation (when money velocity and lending is constant, which usually isn't the case after a boom period).

agreed.  so tell me, where is MV going?

12334  Economy / Speculation / Re: Financial Risk Analytics-Subscription Service on: December 05, 2012, 06:48:01 PM
Irrefutable
12335  Economy / Speculation / Re: Financial Risk Analytics-Subscription Service on: December 05, 2012, 06:34:22 PM
Nordstroms
12336  Economy / Speculation / Re: Financial Risk Analytics-Subscription Service on: December 05, 2012, 06:24:47 PM
Desperation
12337  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 05:37:51 PM
this is a good article.  altho nothing earth shaking, sometimes ppl says things in a slightly different way that illuminates an incremental understanding of what Bitcoin is all about:

"Bitcoin offers what no other currency can. Access to everyone, everywhere."

 i would slightly change it to this: "Bitcoin offers what no other currency can. Access to everyone, everywhere, anytime."


http://www.reddit.com/tb/14b1dk
12338  Economy / Speculation / Re: Financial Risk Analytics-Subscription Service on: December 05, 2012, 05:31:18 PM
On Track
12339  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 05, 2012, 04:28:40 PM
plumbing new lows:

12340  Economy / Speculation / Re: Financial Risk Analytics-Subscription Service on: December 05, 2012, 04:08:21 AM
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