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1241  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽UEFA Conference League Discussion Thread -- 2022/23 | Round of 16 on: April 13, 2023, 08:49:37 PM
I think if West Ham take tonight with at least 2 goal margin, they will be the firm favourite to win this cup, no matter the results elsewhere. As said before, I think Basel are solid, Nice too, even if they're a shadow of themselves 2 seasons ago, Fiorentina... It's almost fitting they're all here tonight, midtable mediocrity in leagues, and it doesn't match up to Hammers closer to relegation than to halfway point, but I'm taking into account the EPL is a pretty tough league.

Hammers, Nice, Fiorentina acca?
Regardless of the results in national leagues, I have the feeling that Fiorentina is the best team between them. They are doing pretty good in Conference League and maybe the most stable one in the list.
West Ham got a 1 - 1 draw vs Gent. Maybe playing home in the second leg could help them pass this round but I doubt they could go further with the actual performance.
Poznan 1 - 4 Fiorentina currently, not the best team to judge Fiorentina perfectly but we can say they passed to semifinals.

Fiorentina are playing very well in this competition, of all the teams still in the competition I think the only one that could give Fiorentina a hard time is Nice. he is winning 1-4 away and will most likely be present in the semis, unless he does harakiri in the second leg
1242  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: WARNING the rock trading. on: April 13, 2023, 08:18:26 PM
Beh in Italia se non fai le cose a "aumma aumma" (citazione sicula) non tiri avanti la baracca!
E infatti loro sono andati avanti per un decennio così, purtroppo alla fine i piccoli problemi se non tappati per tempo diventano enormi problemi.
La fiducia purtroppo in questo settore non potrebbe mai esistere quando devi delegare i tuoi fondi a sconosciuti, il discorso vale anche se usiamo etoro tanto per fare un esempio!
Oggi ci sono e domani chissà


bitcoin nasce per fixare questo problema
se poi siamo stronzi da non usarlo, la colpa e' solo nostra e della nostra stronzaggine e/o avidita
quello che e'.. insomma avete capito cosa intendo, lo diciamo in tutte le salse

come si suol dire il pesce puzza dalla testa, se i capi già avevano attuato questa strategia un motivo ci sarà, o sono degli avidi impostori oppure erano talmente non preparati per gestire questi problemi e tutto gli è sfuggito di mano, io altre spiegazioni non me le so dare. inoltre la BDO doveva accorgersi che qualcosa non quadrava nei bilanci, infatti stranamente il bilancio dello scorso esercizio non era ancora stato convalidato e discusso in assemblea e approvarlo.
1243  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: FTX - Sam Bankman-Fried è stato arrestato on: April 13, 2023, 07:08:43 PM
È lo stesso giochetto che ha usato più volte Elon Musk con doge, bastava far uscire una piccola notizia anche fake per fare buoni gain, poiché cerano e ci sono tuttora tanti speculatori che cavalcano la notizia, ma i nuovi che entrano e magari non sanno neanche delle vicende passate si prende una bella scottatura! Purtroppo sono le leggi del mercato, magari gli altri exchange dovevano bloccare le operazioni con ftt finché non sarebbe terminata quantomeno le indagini su ftx
Mi metto nei panni degli exchange: perché mai dovrei rinunciare a guadagnare un botto di commissioni fatte sulla pelle degli speculatori? La vedo come una semplice catena alimentare alla fine. Ognuno è libero di buttare spendere i propri soldi come meglio crede. Eventualmente il blocco del trading di FTT sarebbe dovuto arrivare da un tribunale o qualcosa del genere, non dagli exchange.

Giusto non ci avevo pensato, ma esiste un però! Negli altri scam confermati di altri token si è subito eseguito il delisting del token, perché per FTT non è stato così?


Quella faccia di m...a
si ho visto che si diverte a fare il pirla cambiando loghi e cose varie
si diverte la merdina, si vede un miglio di distanza .. che maledetto

se consideri gente proprio di qualita

Non mi è mai piaciuto come persona ne tanto meno come business man, ovviamente ha fatto cose straordinarie per il mondo aerospaziale ma nel mondo crypto è il male perché è un manipolatore

1244  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to convince a sceptical person to buy Bitcoin ? on: April 13, 2023, 04:09:56 PM
I agree perfectly with your speech, but unfortunately the skeptics will remain skeptical and will hardly be convinced by those who already know bitcoin well, which is why I say that bitcoin now no longer needs to convince anyone, just look into the past and what bitcoin has managed to do, the people are linked to the financial laws required by the states, but everyone forgets that we live in a "free" world and if you're smart you study and inform yourself well about any existing financial form! and bitcoin for me deserves a study by everyone, I don't have to be the one to convince anyone
It can be emotional to explain Bitcoin to skeptics.
They will not believe and will remain skeptical of Bitcoin even though there is already a lot of evidence about Bitcoin's reliability.
They may argue that Bitcoin has many risks, but in reality, everything will have risks not just Bitcoin.

Currently, bitcoin is generally known and many mass media are reporting on Bitcoin.
To find out about Bitcoin alone can easily get it.

There is no need to convince people who don't want to be convinced and still don't open their minds to revolutionary payment technologies like Bitcoin.
We just need to do it ourselves, if we get a lot of benefits those skeptics who underestimate at first will continue to ask why we can and are not affected by the risk.

Just invest properly, and prove that people who are too skeptical about Bitcoin will regret it in the end.

surely for those who believe in bitcoin it will be exciting to explain what bitcoin is, but then when you realize that you are talking to a rubber wall how do you feel? my speech is not to make controversy, but now those who want to find out about bitcoin have various tools available to be able to do it independently, just read this forum to be able to learn everything you need.

I agree with your last sentence "just invest correctly and show that people are too skeptical about bitcoin" and I believe that in the last 3 years many have changed their mind about bitcoin, in reality it would be enough for many people to see what is happening to banks currently completely change your mind about bitcoin
1245  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: FTX - Sam Bankman-Fried è stato arrestato on: April 13, 2023, 03:57:29 PM
https://thecryptogateway.it/ftx-exchange-riapre/

Ho appena letto questa notizia alquanto incredibile! Come possono pensare solo lontanamente di riaprire le attività? Con quella etichetta con scritto Scam grossa come un macigno?  Huh Shocked

Io sono sempre più incredulo!
È da tempo che leggo che cercano un modo di riaprirlo, mi chiedo solo chi possa essere così stupido da fidarsi ancora di loro ma vedendo come la gente dimentica rapidamente le cose non mi sorprenderebbe per nulla...

Interessante questo estratto dell'articolo comunque:
Nel mentre il token FTT ha risentito positivamente della notizia, con un aumento repentino del 112% proprio nel momento in cui gli avvocati hanno annunciato il potenziale riavvio di FTX.

Non so perché ma ho il sospetto che qualcuno ha fatto dei bei soldi con questa notizia, e magari qualcuno sapeva già della cosa... Basta far uscire questa notizia ogni tot mesi e qualcuno andrà avanti a fare soldi, poi che l'exchange riapra o no conta poco.

È lo stesso giochetto che ha usato più volte Elon Musk con doge, bastava far uscire una piccola notizia anche fake per fare buoni gain, poiché cerano e ci sono tuttora tanti speculatori che cavalcano la notizia, ma i nuovi che entrano e magari non sanno neanche delle vicende passate si prende una bella scottatura! Purtroppo sono le leggi del mercato, magari gli altri exchange dovevano bloccare le operazioni con ftt finché non sarebbe terminata quantomeno le indagini su ftx
1246  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: WARNING the rock trading. on: April 13, 2023, 03:48:35 PM
Beh in Italia se non fai le cose a "aumma aumma" (citazione sicula) non tiri avanti la baracca!
E infatti loro sono andati avanti per un decennio così, purtroppo alla fine i piccoli problemi se non tappati per tempo diventano enormi problemi.
La fiducia purtroppo in questo settore non potrebbe mai esistere quando devi delegare i tuoi fondi a sconosciuti, il discorso vale anche se usiamo etoro tanto per fare un esempio!
Oggi ci sono e domani chissà
1247  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: FTX - Sam Bankman-Fried è stato arrestato on: April 13, 2023, 03:37:30 PM
https://thecryptogateway.it/ftx-exchange-riapre/

Ho appena letto questa notizia alquanto incredibile! Come possono pensare solo lontanamente di riaprire le attività? Con quella etichetta con scritto Scam grossa come un macigno?  Huh Shocked

Io sono sempre più incredulo!
1248  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: April 13, 2023, 11:15:42 AM
The two champions league matches last night were quite exciting, even though we already know who will win in Real Madrid's match against Chelsea. Throughout the game Real Madrid dominated and it was clear how Chelsea was overwhelmed by attacks from Real Madrid. The first half goals were scored by Benzema who took advantage of an assist from Vini and the second half goals were scored by Asensio who came on as a Supersub. Perhaps the thing that was quite detrimental was the red card received by Chilwell, he had to commit a foul on Rodyrgo who ran free when receiving a pass from a Real Madrid player in the match.

Milan's other game against Napoli also had to end in a loss, after Anguissa received a second yellow card that made him go off in the 74th minute. Milan's goal scored in the first half by Bennacer made the only goal in this match and sealed the win for Milan in San siro. It is clear that after the defeat of these two Napoli in both the domestic league and UCL, Napoli is so dependent on Osimhen and it is very difficult to score goals.

you are right, Napoli is totally dependent on their strongest striker osimhen, I think however Milan is better equipped for the Champions league than Napoli, even if both teams are not used to playing in the final stages of the most prestigious cup I believe that even in the return we will see a fierce Milan and will aim to go through and wait for Inter in the semifinals to make the Euro derby.
1249  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to convince a sceptical person to buy Bitcoin ? on: April 13, 2023, 11:07:47 AM
~snip~
we are in 2023 and I believe that there is no longer a need to explain to skeptics what bitcoin is, instead I would worry about those who in every way want to show what bitcoin is not, the constant accusations of scams for which bitcoin is used and bad since they show what is not bitcoin

I think the issue now is different.

In early days, say 2009-2012, the issue was that few people knew about Bitcoin, and everything was new.

But now, even though there are movies, books, and Bitcoin is basically mainstream, the issue now is that there is a ton of misinformation, and copycats, and altcoins that just want your money, and they try to confuse people.

It's a different scenario, but people still need guidance, and they will probably always need it.

I agree perfectly with your speech, but unfortunately the skeptics will remain skeptical and will hardly be convinced by those who already know bitcoin well, which is why I say that bitcoin now no longer needs to convince anyone, just look into the past and what bitcoin has managed to do, the people are linked to the financial laws required by the states, but everyone forgets that we live in a "free" world and if you're smart you study and inform yourself well about any existing financial form! and bitcoin for me deserves a study by everyone, I don't have to be the one to convince anyone
1250  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to convince a sceptical person to buy Bitcoin ? on: April 13, 2023, 07:48:50 AM
...... What else would you add?

we are in 2023 and I believe that there is no longer a need to explain to skeptics what bitcoin is, instead I would worry about those who in every way want to show what bitcoin is not, the constant accusations of scams for which bitcoin is used and bad since they show what is not bitcoin
1251  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: WARNING the rock trading. on: April 12, 2023, 06:57:02 PM
Scusate,
io sono uno che ha messo un po' di soldi in TRT. Adesso cosa si fa? C'è qualche speranza di recuperare qualcosa? Come bisogna muoversi? C'è qualcun altro nella mia situazione?
Grazie

https://t.me/therocktradinghelp

In questo gruppo si sono organizzati per una azione legale collettiva, entra e chiedi come aderire
1252  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: April 12, 2023, 03:31:15 PM
last night I don't think any Inter fan would have expected a result like this! after the various bad matches in Serie A no one would have bet a penny on Inter's victory last night! and it was a nice surprise because the second leg will be played at san siro with 80,000 Inter supporters pushing the team to victory, we'll know the verdict on 19 April!
Inter fans did not expect that good result in Portugal but their players made it. Fairly said, Inter Milan did not play too much better than Benfica and their second goal was very lucky. However, that goal is important for Inter Milan to go to semi final because if they only win with 1 goal difference, Benfica will have good confidence that they can win 1 - 0 at Giuseppe Meazza and bring Inter Milan to extra halfs or penalty shoot-out. Fortunatley, with two goal difference after the first leg, chance for Benfica to revert it in the second leg is very small, if not say it is impossible mission.

Manchester City are a really solid team, it is difficult to see or imagine any team that can defeat them seeing how hard working and committed the players are to every game they play. After scoring the first goal, they did not cool things down but went ahead to see how many more goals they will be able to score, and they scored more while still maintaining a clean sheet, Manchester made full use of the home advantage, maybe Bayern can do the same in the second leg. With what I saw in the game, I am wondering why they really replaced their old coach with Tuchel.
Manchester City played well and won big but they even can win bigger and finalize quarter final after the first leg. Some excellent saves from Yann Sommer helped Bayern Munich to avoid a bigger loss and somewhat helped Bayern Munich to have small chance in a second leg. Imagine if Manchester City win 4 - 0 or 5 - 0, we don't have anything to discuss about a second leg in Munich.

I saw the game, the first half was very balanced and Inter were also a bit lucky, but in the second half things changed and Inter played better and in fact managed to score 2 goals and put The second leg is sure, but Benfica will do everything in their power to turn the game around and Inter must be good at trying to score at least one goal to make life difficult for Benfica
1253  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] whirlwind.money | Redefining Mixing | Signature Campaign ~Up to $150/week on: April 12, 2023, 02:52:17 PM
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1254  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [Meta] Andamento sezione italiana on: April 12, 2023, 12:18:28 PM
Come avevo detto qualche giorno fa, nel mese di marzo avevo fatto circa una 70ina di post in board italiana, infatti sulla chart di rikafip compare 74, medaglia di legno per me! Perche fillippone Babo e Paolo demidov sono una macchina da post

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231446.msg62071348#msg62071348

Ecco, però facendo così mi fate stare male!
Perché @Rikafip questo mese ha fatto un superlavoro ed ha pubblicato immediatamente… io invece sono ancora a dover pubblicare tutto e ho appena iniziato a raccogliere i dati!

Si scherza ovviamente..

Ognuno ha i suoi tempi! C'è chi è veloce e c'è chi è meno veloce! L'importanza sta nel raggiungere l'obbiettivo
1255  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [Meta] Andamento sezione italiana on: April 12, 2023, 12:09:11 PM
Come avevo detto qualche giorno fa, nel mese di marzo avevo fatto circa una 70ina di post in board italiana, infatti sulla chart di rikafip compare 74, medaglia di legno per me! Perche fillippone Babo e Paolo demidov sono una macchina da post

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231446.msg62071348#msg62071348
1256  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: April 12, 2023, 08:08:37 AM
Solo che in Italia entrare in possesso di btc è facile ma e difficile ritornare in € senza vasellina! Quindi la soluzione migliore quale potrebbe essere?

Ma dipende dalle somme, mi pare sia stata creata una no tax area fino a 2k EUR, poi, andando oltre, si possono valutare tante alternative, anche non in Italia

Lasciamo stare il fattore dichiarare/non dichiarare il dilemma è nato perché negli anni addietro si sono verificati blocchi dei conti da parte delle banche, conseguenti ban infondati, oggi se uno vorrebbe tornare in valuta Fiat per esempio per la modica cifra di 200k€ dichiarati o non, la banca ti farebbe questioni perché arriva un bonifico estero?

Altro esempio

Mettiamo caso che nel 2010 ho comprato 1000 btc oggi li vorrei dichiarare, dovrei pagare all'Ade il 26% ovviamente in Fiat e tale cifra non ce l'ho se prima non rientro in €, la banca blocca il tutto?

Un utente come deve veramente comportarsi in taluni casi?
1257  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: April 12, 2023, 05:46:35 AM
Sarà un no sense per te ma per altri magari ha un senso ritornare in valuta Fiat, proprio perché non tutti sono entrati su btc nel 2009 o 2010 e quindi investito poco o relativamente poco. E magari vorrebbero tirare via il profitto! Solo che in Italia entrare in possesso di btc è facile ma e difficile ritornare in € senza vasellina! Quindi la soluzione migliore quale potrebbe essere?
1258  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: April 12, 2023, 05:21:53 AM
I think Inter Milan deserves to win against Benfica. Inter Milan can play more effectively, they know how to score although they don't play very offensively. If we look at the stats, Benfica dominated the match but they failed to score. In this match, we must appreciate Inter defense, they already performed very well. Inter midfielders also play quite well, they can't win the ball possessions but they can make enough chances for shoot attempts. Anyway, it is a good result for Inter, they got goals from the away match. I think they will win again when they play at home in the 2nd leg.






A bit surprised to see how difficult benfica is to attack intermilan. I meant to look at the statistic. Intermilan was losing its dominance against benfica but it was able scoring 2-0. The quality between intermilan and benfica is different. benfica was playing so badly in the last night against intermilan.
It seems like the bad trend still continues until the second leg where benfica will be playing away against intermilan. I think that this gonna be a disaster for benfica since it was losing big aggregates and playing away will make its team get so much pressure.

Benfica feels very unfamilar with the defensive strategy that is used by intermilan. That was benfica some difficulties. Benfica got some golden chances but the problems is the lack of control of the ball making the shots became inaccurate.

Simeone inzaghi is very satisfied with the result achieved by intermilan. Intermilan has been bringing the positive trends into the sansiro. The chance for intermilan to win in the second leg is very high after seeing how good intermilan was playing against benfica.
Simeone may not use an offensive strategy against benfica in san siro. he may still try to use same strategy again.
Most of us underestimated Milan,thinking that Benefica will defeat Milan due to their good performance in their domestic league and in the champions league. It went the other way round yesterday as Milan used a strategy that supersede Benefica football pattern,which made it difficult for Benefica to understand Milan game strategy. It is a good win for Milan and I know that the second leg that will be played in San siro will be in the favour of Milan or it will be a draw game,if Benefica don't play to outshine Milan. Let's see if the comeback of Benefica will be able to put them through into the semifinals.

last night I don't think any Inter fan would have expected a result like this! after the various bad matches in Serie A no one would have bet a penny on Inter's victory last night! and it was a nice surprise because the second leg will be played at san siro with 80,000 Inter supporters pushing the team to victory, we'll know the verdict on 19 April! I believe that there can be 2 Italian teams in the semifinal. tonight I will watch Milan-Napoli, another good match
1259  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: WARNING the rock trading. on: April 12, 2023, 05:13:52 AM
Ma io alla fine non ho capito perché sono stati citati questi due soggetti, qual'è il nesso con the rock trading? Perdonatemi 😅
1260  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: The Rock Trading Scam www.therocktrading.com Exchange Review fraud truffa on: April 12, 2023, 05:09:12 AM
Has this story began to make any serious headlines in the Italian media? After all, the mere mention of €15-20 million missing from a local company should be making some sort of noise in the media by now.

there is almost nothing around the web about the defeats of the rock trading, unfortunately it is one of the Italian mysteries, but I have to correct myself, it was not 900 eth but € 900,000 equivalent to 300 eth, the only article I found was not from that period but it is recent,
https://firenze.repubblica.it/cronaca/2023/02/28/news/criptovalute_piattaforma_trt_soldi_bloccati_investitori_allarme_fascicolo_procura_firenze-389833306/ unfortunately it is paid and you cannot read everything in full

there have been a few newspapers that have disclosed the news, but mostly they have been sites and provincial newspapers, I must say that even some excellent newspapers have talked about it such as "ilsole24ore" or even "il Corriere della Sera". but despite this he hasn't made all this media noise
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