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1241  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you tired of waiting for the jump? Pls Hodl on: June 18, 2023, 03:28:56 AM
I know some will never sell, when it hits a high price, but for profits purposes there's no gain in withdrawing an investment now that the price is below or slightly above the amount you bought in the market. Unless you depend on the funds for survival or for other important dispute, keep holding on.
If you don't sell when the price is high then what you expect? Generally people will wait for a high price increase to sell it and buy back when the price falls. At least that's what most people do and I don't know what you apply to get profits and if the price is below the purchase price then automatically people will not sell because they know they will make them lose.

For the problem of survival funds we must also set aside and it is impossible for all the funds we have to buy Bitcoin, because when the market is severely corrected it will cause losses when you sell Bitcoin for the necessities of life. Hold is still the right choice for now?

Isn't the wait worth it?
Very commensurate compared to waiting for other investments that do not necessarily promise certainty. Bitcoin has an advantage in maintaining values and there is also a four -year -old cycle for belief in holding long -term as we have seen before.
1242  Economy / Economics / Re: Is poverty a lack of money? on: June 17, 2023, 12:05:29 PM
I see poverty as the inability to provide what you need. So when people assume that poverty is when you don't have money I don't agree. Now what if you have all you need and you don't require money to buy anything, are you poor? Some people live in communities where everyone lives agrarian life. They have all they need because everything they need to survive is available. Food is on the farm, water available and everybody is happy. Although it was hard during the Covid-19 lockdown many people lived without money. I have also seen many people leaving cities and moving to rural areas to live a natural life.
This must be put aside because not everyone lives in rural areas and also cannot see the problem as a whole, how living below the poverty line will be very different when we live in urban areas. There is almost no way to get basic necessities for free in urban areas and you have to spend money to buy everything. It's different if we live in a rural area because there's a lot of land that we can use to grow crops for our daily basic needs, even though it doesn't look luxurious but at least it's far from enough to meet our needs.

So describing poverty in different places will never be the same, so that the classification of poverty living in urban and rural areas will be very different. But in the end poverty can be seen how they make ends meet, buy clothes and have a decent place to live and if these three things are not fulfilled properly, then poverty is very close to those who are unable to adjust.
1243  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: My trading constitution. on: June 17, 2023, 11:11:00 AM
- you can't build confidence without a profitable system.
How do you try to build a profitable system and do you know that trading doesn't always turn out to be profitable? Trading is not always considered suitable for some people because there are many things that need to be learned.

Trading gives you money, in order to to protect your money risk management is paramount.
Management is needed in trading and skill is one that will bring us to the stage of making profits and risk management is an important force that can limit one's psychology to what will happen in trading. You have mentioned the system many times in the discussion and I also want to know what system do you mean?

Trading does not always make money when we do not have basic knowledge and even people who have experience in trading are also unable to avoid losing money at certain times.
1244  Economy / Economics / Re: The cost of living is trying to kill the living on: June 17, 2023, 10:10:17 AM
Mate, this isn't just a problem in your country; it's also a problem in mine. Prices are just going up every day, making it impossible to buy something today and expect to pay the same price tomorrow. I've come to the realization that as we get older in this world, the problems only get worse. You can't compare young to adulthood at this point, when the economy is always in bad shape with high prices for goods, but that shouldn't matter much. Keep up the good work. God will undoubtedly provide for us.
Things change all the time and economic growth forces many people to look for loopholes to cover the increasingly high cost of living. The economic crisis, salary imbalance and rising basic prices are a big problem for some people today, what can be done when such a life continues to worsen conditions and those in authority do not try to solve the problem. One cannot rely on other people or institutions to solve problems and there is no point in continuing to blame them.

Do something to find a solution to this problem and try to live by a much more frugal standard and not spend money on things you don't need. If it's not ourselves trying to find a solution then hoping someone else will solve the problem is pointless and time doesn't wait for us to find a solution because it will keep going.
1245  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Without money, the knowledge is a waste on: June 17, 2023, 09:26:13 AM
Yes!
you got the topic very correct and I do mean it because after my last thread, I was actually wondering  the essences of having all the knowledge  about bitcoin and cryptocurrency at large and still don't have the money to buy, I just feel its a waste of effort and such a person  with all his knowledge  will definitely miss out of the opportunities in bitcoin and I'm  on the opinion  that people still need to always have some form of money at all time to buy bitcoin especially  at every instance a dip arises and I want to know the essence of wanting to crowd ones brain Brain with so much about bitcoin  when such a person doesn't have any more to buy rather than seeking ways to buy?
If it is associated directly with the purchase of money is another important thing, but try to ask the opposite to people who have a lot of money and are not involved in Bitcoin investment, they will answer do not have special knowledge about Bitcoin so that Bitcoin is not an investment that is worth considering for them. The nature of knowledge cannot be seen only from the point of view as you describe because there are many other ways that people can do to get bitcoin. One of the easiest is by following the BTC campaign as we did and this is also another way to get bitcoin by not buying it.

That's only a small part of the way someone can get Bitcoin, so don't think that knowledge is limited to one object because there are several other ways that people can go and without knowledge it's hard to achieve all of them. The closest example is that we are all on forums and there is a way to earn bitcoins, right?
1246  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [info] Bagi yang memiliki dana di Binance, segera pindahkan dalam waktu dekat. on: June 17, 2023, 08:23:54 AM
Menurut berita, SEC menggugat binance dengan 13 gugatan yang diantaranya adalah binance melakukan penawaran dan penjualan sekuritas yang belum terdaftar dan binance juga masih gagal untuk mendapatkan ijin sebagai broker atau bursa di US. Jadi mungkin selama ini binance US belum mengantongi ijin yang lengkap untuk beroperasi di US
Kayaknya sih gitu gan, namun lebih jauh kita tidak pernah tau ada masalah apa binance dengan SEC, meskipun beberapa media atau SEC sendiri telah membuat pernyataan bahwa binance belum mendapatkan izin. Kayaknya sih pajaknya terlalu besar atau apa lah yang membuat Binance US belum terdaftar di sana, karena kalau di lihat dari perkembangan bursa dan jumlah pengguna seharusnya untuk izin bukanlah sebuah kesulitan besar bagi mereka.

Kabar terbaru juga datang dari Nigeria. Binance ternyata juga sebagai pertukaran crypto terbesar di Nigeria. Lagi-lagi digugat masalah ijin operasi yan belum di kantongi sehingga otoritas securitas Nigeria menganggap binance beroperasi secara ilegal
Selain di Nigeria di tempat kita Indonesia Binance juga belum mendapatkan izin dari pemerintah dan bahkan binance merupakan salah satu bursa terbesar dengan pengguna terbanyak saat ini dan seharusnya untuk persoalan izin bukan sebuah kendala besar untuk mereka urus. Tetapi anehnya justru mereka diberikan panggung pada acara G20 di bali dan seolah-olah mereka tidak melanggar apapun.

Sumber: https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/tech/20230614133056-37-445833/binance-diblokir-ri-malah-kasih-ceo-nya-karpet-merah
1247  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [LOG] List Rank Up Member Indonesia (Member - Legendary) on: June 16, 2023, 03:49:28 PM
Selamat bagi semua orang yang telah berhasil renk up ke peringkat berikutnya, ini merupakan pencapaian yang sangat laur biasa untuk kita semua dan semakin hari semakin banyak orang yang telah berhasil mencapai renk berikutnya. Dukungan dari teman-teman lokal sangat berarti dalam memberikan motivasi sehingga secara perlahan kita semua sampai pada renk yang kita inginkan. Terimakasih banyak kepada semuanya yang telah memberikan ucapan kepada saya dan berharap untuk kedepannya bisa lebih konsisten menuju renk berikutnya.

Selamat juga kepada om @CageeMabok, om @bangjoe dan om @erep yang berhasil promosi ke renk Hero Member dan mudah-mudahan teman-tema lainnya bisa mengikuti. Dukungan dan motivasi sesama pengguna lokal sangatlah membantu terutama bagi saya sendiri dalam mencapai peringkat baru, tanpa kalian semua mungkin sulit untuk mencapai itu sendiri dan kedermawanan MS lokal juga sangat membantu untuk kita semua.
1248  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: If you need some menthor come to me on: June 16, 2023, 02:11:44 PM
Come to me If you are fully interested about crypto money and finances Im looking for people who want to learn deeply all of this don't just come to me and ask one or two things come to me If you are fully dedicated and you are eager to know everything about this and off course to join with my team.
How can people trust you with all the possibilities that will happen in investing, not being so sure and right to fully rely on people's knowledge if we don't try to learn to understand it ourselves. This is like a marketing offer that sells products to customers and on the other hand your product has not been tested for durability or strengths. But to be honest your intentions are good but everyone should have basic knowledge before trying to learn from others.

Everyone has different knowledge and there will be many models of people that you will teach with their own limited knowledge, it's not as easy as you talk about and moreover talking crypto is so volatile that it makes people not so easy to accept other people's advice if it hasn't proven successful in investing.
1249  Economy / Exchanges / Re: What's next? on: June 16, 2023, 05:10:59 AM
Hi guys
What do you think about the situation around Binance?
The effect will certainly be affected due to panic in the market, so there will be a decrease in the price for the cryptocurrency as a whole, but I think this is only happening in the short term and will not cause panic in the long term. The solution is to stay calm and hold your bitcoins?

Binance has already left the Canadian market and is close to leaving the US market
Both are facing lawsuits and claims
No one knows for sure whether binance will stop or not, but for now binance global can still operate and what I know is that only Binance US is experiencing problems. Even if the assumption is that later binance has to stop and can no longer operate, bitcoin will still be around us and has nothing to do with exchanges that come or go.
1250  Economy / Economics / Re: What is your personal debt reduction method aside the debt snowball method? on: June 16, 2023, 02:52:56 AM
Recently, I had some debts to pay and prioritized them based on urgency, regardless of their size. I had to pay them by or before the deadline. I didn't mind whether they were big debts or small debts. What mattered was meeting up with the deadline. This approach worked for me, although I'm not sure if it falls under the debt snowball method.
Debt basically has to be paid off in any way, it shows how our attitude is in being responsible for the debt decisions we take. So far I have never owed large amounts of debt so I don't know what to explain about the repayment method, but there is one thing that needs to be considered every time we owe, where we must have a job before deciding to owe, so that when the monthly deposit is due we don't feel burdened with the debt.

For those who have gotten out of debt more quickly, did you use the debt snowball method or another personal debt payment strategy that worked for you over the years?
Or we can apply a standard percentage that is much larger than the fees we have to pay each month. For example, if we have to pay $200 every month, try to pay around $300 to $400 every time we are due each month, so that the duration of the debt can be shortened to pay off. This method can be used if we have a permanent job and even though it is large this is a way that can be done to speed up our debt being paid off.
1251  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crypto experienced bloodshed on: June 15, 2023, 09:20:48 AM
The fall of the market is caused by traders who feel significant selling pressure due to Robinhood's decision to remove there, matic, and sol. It is assumed that Robinhood stores around $ 1.3 billion in Altcoin and $ 583 million in the form of existence, matic, and soles.
Make proper planning whenever you plan to enter the market to buy, bitcoin strength also weakens in the current conditions and imagine when you try to leverage other altcoins. A wave of panic ensues and we never know when it will end, so it's still in the planning stages and I think it will be a waste of time when we try to speculate with altcoins.

If you refer fully to altcoins and just don't try to minimize the risk, it means we don't learn from market conditions that happened before. Situations that will be profitable cannot be separated from careful preparation, therefore all must make the right considerations and decisions must be chosen according to previous thoroughness.

What do you think of your friends to take advantage of situations like this, is it now the right time to buy a few coins?
If asked whether this is the right time to buy then the answer is yes for bitcoin, while for altcoins it is up to each individual to make an assessment, they try to speculate or not it is their individual decision to determine. This should be an illustration that bitcoin which has strength is also affected by corrections, let alone talking with other altcoins.
1252  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Earning online more preferable than offline? on: June 15, 2023, 08:21:36 AM
Earning money online is far superior to working at a physical establishment during the day. Although offline is highly appreciated and difficult. Trading is a great approach to find your true self. It will put everything to the test, including your greed, emotions, patience, discipline, how you handle failure, control, common sense, and resolve.
It should also be remembered that trading is not always profitable, even if you are an experienced person in trading. Trading has a different nature from the work done outside and when your financial capabilities are not so strong, then trading will not provide great benefits either. Trading definitely brings the ability to minimize risk and not everyone is able to survive the conditions that will occur.

Greed, emotion, discipline, patience are other important things that need to be considered when trading and not many people can survive this condition if they do not have an understanding of risk management.

I strongly advise anyone who is going through a terrible time in their life to learn to trade since it provides them a clear sense of purpose other than waiting for jobs. So, which is better, online or offline?
Personally, I prefer to choose an offline job rather than trading, the fluctuating nature cannot be reached by everyone, so there are limits to why people say trading is not always suitable. But when you have an offline job, trading can be done slowly to learn the basics needed, so that we don't depend on profits from trading alone, but have other jobs as support when we are not lucky when trading.
1253  Economy / Economics / Re: I thought there was an egg shortage. on: June 15, 2023, 07:41:10 AM
The normal price is £1.40. It just shows how food prices and distribution is being manipulated to rip us off. That is if we aren't aware and exploiting the situation for our own benefit. The eggs were on sale at a m ajor Asda supermarket in Hampshire, England.
Prices can be manipulated by anyone and supply may be the reason why egg prices fluctuate so quickly than usual. I've seen an educational video about products that are sold separately at different prices, basically the same price issued by the drinking company. If you have ever traveled abroad and compared it to the class of mineral water sold by airlines it is much different from the prices sold in other places.

This shows that prices can be manipulated by anyone according to their wishes and the place will be a reason why people never complain why prices can be different like usual places. The problem of eggs in my country is still quite stable and there is still abundant stock available at prices that are still standard.
1254  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's your favorite crypto;Bitcoin on: June 13, 2023, 02:14:48 PM
Bitcoin is immune to seizure
Bitcoin is decentralized
Bitcoin is fast and easy to use
Bitcoin provides anonymity
Bitcoin is unique in that it has value in the long term but comes with risks if not properly understood how to use it, although many people speak of the advantages of its broad description. There are many risks that need to be understood and it is not as easy as talking numbers when making an investment, the adoption is so widespread today because people are starting to realize that bitcoin is the right way to store value because even if there is a recession or inflation bitcoin is not directly affected and always finds a way to maintain value.

What you need to understand is that bitcoins are not safe if they are stored on an exchange because they are vulnerable to confiscation and causation that occurs due to hacking or other things, bitcoins are safe if someone can store them properly in a safe place and that is why storing bitcoins on an exchange is not a smart move in most cases it has happened before.
1255  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: My first post on: June 13, 2023, 12:49:29 PM
Hi Bitcoin talkers I am glad to join this forum
I will now proceed to reading the forum rules and regulations so I can benefit and also be of benefit to this forum
That's what you should do and reading will enrich the knowledge you have, the discussion base will look interesting when someone understands what is being talked about and it will also bring you to the real learning stage. Any benefit will be gained when you bring insight into the discussion and there is something to be concluded, if you do well no one will ignore and there will always be someone who helps each other.

I also noticed that if the page is refreshed during registration the image captcha doesn't change
Is this a security problem or it is normal on this forum,?
Maybe the problem lies with your network and some people have previously provided answers to that problem. Welcome to join and keep reading so that you are consistent in the forum.
1256  Economy / Speculation / Re: Take advantage of the price fall. on: June 13, 2023, 12:02:29 PM
Is been a hard knocked to everyone trading bitcoin this seasons especially investment, my friend was sore disappointed for the recent falling of price because he bought $1000 bitcoin but the truth is that we cannot foresees the future in today, this is not the first time the price is Reding down, we should take advantage of this time at least you can use a small to purchase high value bitcoin.
There is no forecast term in bitcoin and all we can do is predict and there is no accuracy in the predictions made because it talks about price volatility. This season is also the same as the previous season, only the price difference is because bitcoin has cycles in its journey where there are times when it is corrected and sometimes it is also pumped. That's what bitcoin journey and investment experience will bring your friends to understand bitcoin in the market.

Remain calm and have nothing to worry about as there will be times when bitcoin is gradually pumping back towards recovery. The recent ESC case suing Binance US again took the crypto market sideways due to the fallout from this issue, so holding all existing bitcoins is the solution.

I wish we've profound bitcoin price analyst here, many people really wants to know the cause of continues price deflected, if you've ideas please your comments will be very important here. We newbies this days fall victims a lot because of ignorance of cryptosystem. Let's talk as a family.
No matter how deep the analysis is there is no guarantee of accuracy and don't just rely on other people's analysis and make your own studies of price predictions based on previous history. You can see how the aftermath of the exchanges having problems with the SEC and the crypto market is turning sideways again and there will be other events that will continue to occur at any moment beyond predictions.
1257  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Apakah Indonesia harus mengikuti saran Bank Dunia on: June 12, 2023, 08:31:49 PM
Jujur ane sering nemenin nyonyah ke pasar. Jadi 30ribu itu cukup banget kalo buat belanja kebutuhan dapur sehari, lebih malah. Beli kangkung 3rb, beli bumbu (bawang putih, merah, lombok) 5rb. Beli tempe 2,5rb. Dah tuh cukup buat makan (sayur + lauk tempe goreng). Kalo ga suka sayur kangkung bisa beli yang lain, semua sayur paling di harga 5rb udah dapet banyak. kalo pengin agak enak beli ayam 3 potong biasanya 15rbn (paha + sayap + ampela ati). Oya ini harga di jawa ya, khususnya jateng.

Jadi sebenarnya standar kemiskinan hari ini sudah pass kok. Apalagi jika melihat di pedesaan kaya ditempat ane dimana asal punya beras udah bisa masak, perlu sayur tinggal ke kebun petik pepaya muda/ daun singkong muda. Gratis itu biarpun petik punya tetangga pasti dibolehin.
Itu kelewatan murah sih gan kalau di tempat saya beli ikan aja di atas 20.000 dan sekali-kali dapat dibawah itu kalau banyak ikan di pasar, belum lagi bicara beli ayam yang harganya di atas 50.000 karena di tempat kami cara beli ayam gak bisa perpotongan seperti di tempat agan. Belum lagi bicara beli bawang, cabe merah, cabe kecil dan sayur-sayuran lainnya dan ditempat saya harga satu sak beras 180.000. Mending banget ditempat agan tinggal dan jika memang seperti itu 30.000 udah lebih dari cukup ya? Kalau tinggal di daerah pedesaan enak lagi bisa nanam sayur dan lain-lain sendiri diladang maupun dikebun.

Berarti berbeda daerah berbeda pula mengenai cukup atau tidaknya jumlah uang untuk belanja alat dapur sehari-hari, karena dari dua daerah saja berbeda-beda antara agan dengan saya apalagi daerah lain yang mungkin bisa lebih murah atau lebih mahal. Tetapi tetap seperti orang bilang sih, berapapun yang di kasih tetap gak cukup karena sifatnya manusia yang tidak pernah puas dan pingin beli ini dan itu.

Sudah kok gan, di tempatku yang 2017 masih UMK 1,5jt sekarang udah 2jt. saya kira sudah pada naik kok. tapi bertahap ga signifikan.
Berarti sayanya yang tidak up-to-date dan berharap di tahun selanjutnya bisa bertambah lagi ya biar semua orang bisa lebih sejahtera dan bahagia, di tempat kami UMK diatas 3 jutaan itu berarti lebih besar dari tempat tinggal agan ya.
1258  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: One or more trading strategies, which one do you prefer? on: June 12, 2023, 08:01:09 PM
Trading and investing are both risky, but long-term investing allows you to be more relaxed in any market condition.But certainly, both are capable of generating returns.
When people cannot carry out analysis and do not know how to trade, then it is better to choose long-term investing is much better than taking trading risks in the absence of knowledge. Trading is more of a sharp analysis where we must be able to read price movements in short conditions, therefore not everyone can trade without knowledge and experience.

Adjusting trading strategies to market conditions, of course, is not a bad idea. You should adapt your trading strategy as much as possible because it will only increase your chances of making a profit. The trading plan doesn't always have to be the same, I mean if you previously took 5% profit from the previous trade, then maybe one day you have to be satisfied with 2% profit.
That's where trading is considered tricky and some people who don't know how to do it will have a hard time reading price movements. For example, like the example you gave, when the 5% profit they get is not necessarily a further profit they will get 2%, because it could be that in the future they will experience a loss. That's why most people say that day trading is much more difficult and not everyone is cut out for it.
1259  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can anyone Predict What's going on crypto market? on: June 12, 2023, 07:13:40 PM
Like the current condition, when the market is back in the green and the market analysis is quite good, but in the end the market is back to bearish because of some news about the legal dispute of the company Binance US with Wall Street's main regulator, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

The crypto market suddenly crashed and made Bitcoin and altcoins experience a deep decline.
This problem is very influential because Binance is the largest and most popular exchange today so it can affect the crypto market.
a lot of panics among US citizens occurred by selling crypto assets simultaneously.
Although the base is located in the jurisdiction of the United States of America, this impact is quite large for crypto because we see how the market conditions are going at the moment and it is true as you said because this exchange is big and the choice of many people, so there is panic in the market and try to withdraw or sell assets simultaneously, it ultimately resulted in market chaos that left everything unstable until today. Based on the current conditions, it will be difficult to predict the price of bitcoin because it talks about the volatility caused by the condition of the exchange experiencing problems.

Therefore trying to take advantage of conditions like this is a good step, at least we can take the approach of buying much larger than the usual price. Negative situations that occur like this are not always seen as a bad thing and anyone who can take advantage of market conditions like this then I'm sure when the market returns to normal we can take maximum profit.
1260  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Giving out to promote Bitcoin on: June 12, 2023, 06:41:51 PM
It's not possible for teachers to teach extra things outside of the official curriculum as long as the management doesn't allow them or gives them a heads up because that is not how a school or an institute work, teachers are not that much independent to implement or teach things from their own side only because they find them beneficial for the students. So if something like that is to be done, it can only be done by the heads of the institute.

A time will come when things like these will be included in the curriculums of schools and higher educational institutions because the world will understand that children will need to start learning the basics of these things from their initial education period so that they don't face problems later on.
I remember that in the past at school we had activities outside the curriculum that we often participated in and were more about learning about nature and organizational activities. Teachers can take opportunities outside of curriculum study hours to teach their students about bitcoin, but I'm not sure this can be properly organized considering that some countries still consider bitcoin a new thing, let alone have to introduce it to school students.

Once bitcoin learning comes into the curriculum it is something else and maybe the teacher doesn't need to look at study hours outside of the curriculum because it is their job to teach it. But in my opinion, this will be difficult to realize and may require a long process to achieve all of this, bearing in mind that the school curriculum cannot change instantly without approval from the authorities.

It does not need the head of the institute to teach Bitcoin, all it need is the approval from the head and once approved, the plan to teach bitcoin will commence.
This is more an initiative in my opinion and for anyone who wants to teach bitcoin without the approval of any party, unless they are trying to teach bitcoin to their students during study hours. But if there is approval from the principal even better and teachers can see free time to teach students about bitcoin.
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