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12581  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The American president's addiction to king-like power must end on: November 07, 2014, 10:05:55 PM
I'm not quite sure what you are saying.  FACT.  Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history.

You can't deny that.  I think what you are saying is "It doesn't matter."  Well, that wouldn't quite qualify someone with your attitude to review backgrounds and qualifications of 20 people for a job in the private sector, or make either reasonable or best decisions on such a matter.

I'm saying you're ridiculous. FACT.

See, just because you slap "FACT" on something doesn't make it a fact.

For example, you stated an opinion: "Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history."

Justify this "fact" with sources and evidence, or just stop it.

I have no idea whatever the rest of your response was about, it was wholly unrelated to everything else in this thread.

From the WSJ in 2008:

Barack Obama makes his first campaign visit today to his alma mater, Columbia University. Just don't ask the prolific self-diarist to talk about his undergraduate days in Morningside Heights.

The Columbia years are a hole in the sprawling Obama hagiography. In his two published memoirs, the 47-year-old Democratic nominee barely mentions his experience there. He refuses to answer questions about Columbia and New York -- which, in this media age, serves only to raise more of them. Why not release his Columbia transcript? Why has his senior essay gone missing?

Now in our view, the college years shouldn't normally be used to judge a politician's fitness for office. We're not sure the transcripts of Al Gore, John Kerry and George W. Bush -- which showed them to be C students -- illuminated much for voters. The McCain campaign won't release his records, but we know he graduated at the bottom of his Naval Academy class.

But Mr. Obama is a case apart. His personal story, as told by him, made possible his rise from obscurity four years ago to possibly the White House. He doesn't have a long track record in government. We mainly have him in his own words. As any autobiographer, Mr. Obama played up certain chapters in his life -- perhaps even exaggerating his drug use in adolescence to drive home his theme of youthful alienation -- and ignored others. What's more, as acknowledged in "Dreams From My Father," Mr. Obama reconstructed conversations and gave some people pseudonyms or created "composite" characters.

Voters and the media are now exercising due diligence before Election Day, and they are meeting resistance from Mr. Obama in checking his past. Earlier this year, the AP tracked down Mr. Obama's New York-era roommate, "Sadik," in Seattle after the campaign refused to reveal his name. Sohale Siddiqi, his real name, confirmed Mr. Obama's account that he turned serious in New York and "stopped getting high." "We were both very lost," Mr. Siddiqi said. "We were both alienated, although he might not put it that way. He arrived disheveled and without a place to stay." For some reason the Obama camp wanted this to stay out of public view.

Such caginess is grist for speculation. Some think his transcript, if released, would reveal Mr. Obama as a mediocre student who benefited from racial preference. Yet he later graduated from Harvard Law School magna cum laude, so he knows how to get good grades. Others speculate about ties to the Black Students Organization, though students active then don't seem to remember him. And on the far reaches of the Web can be found conspiracies about former Carter national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who became the candidate's "guru and controller" while at Columbia in the early 1980s. Mr. Brzezinski laughs, and tells us he doesn't "remember meeting him."

What can be said with some certainty is that Mr. Obama lived off campus while at Columbia in 1981-83 and made few friends. Fox News contacted some 400 of his classmates and found no one who remembered him. He had transferred from Occidental College in California after his sophomore year because, he told the Boston Globe in 1990, "I was concerned with urban issues and I wanted to be around more black folks in big cities." He got a degree in political science without honors. "For about two years there, I was just painfully alone and really not focused on anything, except maybe thinking a lot," he told his biographer David Mendell.

Put that way, his time at Columbia sounds unremarkable. Maybe that's what most pains a young memoirist and an ambitious politician who strains to make his life anything but unremarkable.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB122108881386721289

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The WSJ is not known for conspiracy theories. Maybe he was a very average student. Maybe not. What kind of financial aid did he get? Thousands of other questions. How come all those little details were VERY helpful and HISTORIC for every single president, but not him. All we know from him are what he told us from TWO autobiographies, from whom he won Two Grammy Awards!

Fact: those documents are not available to the public a.k.a. they are sealed...




A data point of one does not support your assertion that "Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history." Don't forget, you preceded that opinion with "FACT." Fact is something objectively verifiable. You made a subjective statement.

Let's ask the matter a different way.

What if any US president, other than Obama,  has sealed under court and presidental order, ANY of their personal history?

ANY.

........
12582  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CODY WILSON PLANS TO DESTROY THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION on: November 07, 2014, 06:45:29 PM
Self-promotion stunt from Cody?

Doubt he'll get a single vote. Voting is done by members. To become a member, you need to pay annual fee ranging $1,000 - $100,000. Don't think anyone who paid will be voting to disband TBF.
Huh?  I thought it was like $25 or something.
12583  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CODY WILSON PLANS TO DESTROY THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION on: November 07, 2014, 06:42:48 PM
....the mission of the Bitcoin Foundation is to “standardize, protect and promote the use of Bitcoin cryptographic money for the benefit of users worldwide.” In other words, taking Bitcoin mainstream. That requires working with the regulators rather than against them and making the necessary concessions to their compliance requirements. Therefore, the mission of the Bitcoin Foundation is evidently at odds with that of crypto-anarchists like Wilson.

This is only your interpretation of the "mission."

I do not see "taking bitcoin mainstream" as meaning "working with regulators rather than against them and making the necessary concessions to their compliance requirements."

In fact I see that interpretation as fucking nuts.

So Are You Fucking Kidding Us?
12584  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Benefits increase purifies the worker pool, improving the motivation ballence. on: November 07, 2014, 06:36:07 PM
1. The rules of benefits (employment conditional gareenteed income) are adjusted slightly, to make unemployment a more attractive choice.

2a. Most employees stay employees.

2b. Some of the least intrinsically motivated, the most harmful, leave and no longer work.

I don't mind allowing these people not to work, they at least won't be doing much harm, and even with whatever you consider to be the trashiest of daytime TV they cannot avoid some new learning, boredom may well even force them to improve areas of there lives and learning they would otherwise neglect which is positive in itself, they may well even start contributing positively while not officially in a job such as online or in societies.

3. The remaining employees are better able to take up the slack, being a more motivated group, likely more open to new ideas, at a huge boost to performance, of the "manual farmer to combine harvester" sort, and resulting in these sorts of innovations loosing much resistance. This benifits everyone, even those having to "pay for the slackers".

4. Wait an appropriate time and return to 1.

Thus there is a target employment level, one that's much lower than the harmful 100% that assumes everyone is an identical collective being with identical levels of motivation.

I'd suggest perhaps 50% but think that the innovation arising from this would likely make an unemployment level this low hard to achieve, an adjustment the other way could always be made when falling below this level.

I know many are irritated that they must work while others don't, but those complaining are the very people who probably shouldn't work, or at least take a break for a while.

Slackers Unite!

All slackers heed the call!

All slackers work industriously to get slacking rights!

Wait....
12585  Other / Politics & Society / Re: IRS claims it has LOST two years' worth of emails from former official Lerner on: November 07, 2014, 05:51:14 PM



IRS Admits to Court it Hasn’t Searched for Missing Lerner Emails



Judicial Watch announced today that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) admitted to the court that it failed to search any of the IRS standard computer systems for the “missing” emails of Lois Lerner and other IRS officials. The admission appears in an IRS legal brief opposing the Judicial Watch request that a federal court judge allow discovery into how “lost and/or destroyed” IRS records relating to the targeting of conservative groups may be retrieved. The IRS is fighting Judicial Watch’s efforts to force testimony and document production about the IRS’ loss of records in Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) litigation about the IRS targeting of Tea Party and other opponents of President Obama(Judicial Watch v. IRS (No. 1:13-cv-1559)).  The lawsuit is before U.S. District Court Judge Emmett G. Sullivan. [...]

Judicial Watch lawyers reviewed the IRS court filings and concluded that the agency “did not undertake any significant efforts to obtain the emails.”

IRS attorneys conceded that they had failed to search the agency’s servers for missing emails because they decided that “the servers would not result in the recovery of any information.” They admitted they had failed to search the agency’s disaster recovery tapes because they had “no reason to believe that the tapes are a potential source of recovering” the missing emails.  And they conceded that they had not searched the government-wide back-up system because they had “no reason to believe such a system … even exists.”

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/irs-admits-court-hasnt-searched-missing-lerner-emails/


There is not going to be any kind of accountability as long as the Obama administration is in charge. It will essentially prevent any kind of charges from being filed as it was likely behind the wrongdoing
Key officials of the IRS who were involved in this wrongdoing, or who have been implicit in it by continuing the obfuscation and coverup, can be impeached by 60 votes in the Senate.

It's not implausible to suggest that some Democrats would side with this.  An attempt to impeach Obama would result in a party line split, but would this matter do so?

If yes, then the Democrats would en mass line up and protect the IRS's right to political intimidation?

I don't think so.

With all the crap I have seen from this government, and to be fair from past US governments from both parties too, I have learned to keep an open mind on what they are willing to do...


I think, though that instead of endorsing a "spirit of hopelessness" as to the realistic ability to enact significant change and a return to the rule of law, various IRS and AJ officials should be targeted for impeachment.

I am not suggesting any targeting of people who cannot be shown or proven to engage in unlawful behavior, though.  Offhand I don't know if IRS officials remaining have evidence against them that rises to this level.

Holder and Lerner have fled.  Many others would (and should) and perhaps this would set an atmosphere in which these administrative agencies would do better than just grovel at the feet of the wanna be king.
12586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Republicans take the Senate on: November 07, 2014, 05:45:12 PM
As Spendulus indicated with his list, the historical evidence does not support the idea that wars are more likely to start under Republicans than Democrats. Bob Dole got in some hot water in the 1970s when Bob Dole pointed this fact out in one of Bob Dole's debates.

Nevertheless, most people do seem to believe that Republicans are the pro-war party and the Democrats aren't. It's strange, but I guess there are lots of things lots of people believe in spite of evidence to the contrary.

Yeah, the phrase used to be "Hawk"....and there were and are lots of Democratic hawks.  But you don't see the term being used anymore.

Add the Cuban missile crisis under Kennedy(D) to the list, which brought us to the brink of nuclear war....
12587  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Republicans take the Senate on: November 07, 2014, 03:43:52 PM
America is currently led by Obama, Obama came from Democrats, Democrats still control the Senate at this time in the White House, all policies in the White House of course dominated by the Democrats, as we all know that Democrats prefer diplomacy than republican who likes deploying troops to fight, I hope republican democrat can emulate in making its foreign policy ...  Shocked

lol...actually, you know nothing about US politics and have been well fooled by your media.

To find warmongers, look at Muslims in Africa, Putin, the Ukraine and Crimea, or the ISIS/Al Queda groups in the middle east. 

They are all warring along quite happily.

12588  Other / Politics & Society / Re: IRS claims it has LOST two years' worth of emails from former official Lerner on: November 07, 2014, 01:32:12 PM



IRS Admits to Court it Hasn’t Searched for Missing Lerner Emails



Judicial Watch announced today that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) admitted to the court that it failed to search any of the IRS standard computer systems for the “missing” emails of Lois Lerner and other IRS officials. The admission appears in an IRS legal brief opposing the Judicial Watch request that a federal court judge allow discovery into how “lost and/or destroyed” IRS records relating to the targeting of conservative groups may be retrieved. The IRS is fighting Judicial Watch’s efforts to force testimony and document production about the IRS’ loss of records in Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) litigation about the IRS targeting of Tea Party and other opponents of President Obama(Judicial Watch v. IRS (No. 1:13-cv-1559)).  The lawsuit is before U.S. District Court Judge Emmett G. Sullivan. [...]

Judicial Watch lawyers reviewed the IRS court filings and concluded that the agency “did not undertake any significant efforts to obtain the emails.”

IRS attorneys conceded that they had failed to search the agency’s servers for missing emails because they decided that “the servers would not result in the recovery of any information.” They admitted they had failed to search the agency’s disaster recovery tapes because they had “no reason to believe that the tapes are a potential source of recovering” the missing emails.  And they conceded that they had not searched the government-wide back-up system because they had “no reason to believe such a system … even exists.”

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/irs-admits-court-hasnt-searched-missing-lerner-emails/


There is not going to be any kind of accountability as long as the Obama administration is in charge. It will essentially prevent any kind of charges from being filed as it was likely behind the wrongdoing
Key officials of the IRS who were involved in this wrongdoing, or who have been implicit in it by continuing the obfuscation and coverup, can be impeached by 60 votes in the Senate.

It's not implausible to suggest that some Democrats would side with this.  An attempt to impeach Obama would result in a party line split, but would this matter do so?

If yes, then the Democrats would en mass line up and protect the IRS's right to political intimidation?

I don't think so.
12589  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The American president's addiction to king-like power must end on: November 07, 2014, 03:47:50 AM
YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?

The Media sent people to check w bush's college scores out, to compare them with kerry's... then silence. He had a higher score than kerry's. That is why they kept quiet.

The weirdest thing is it is impossible to do the same thing now as all of 0bama's school papers from colombia and harvard are sealed. What was he thinking? Was he an exceptional student? The first US black president and none of the media wanted to know. At least for his presidential library? It is as if no one cares.

The dude was doing cocaine while in new york back in the days, according to his own biography. Cocaine back then was not a cheap drug like crack. From whom was he getting all that money from? Colombia and harvard are not cheap.

Time to put my tinfoil hat back on. I will still wonder though.

I know that he had a lot of student loans so the tuition was probably paid for with debt.

I would suspect that there are allegations against him during his time at columbia. It could be either an assault or him cheating but it is almost certainly much worse then just bad grades
Yeah, that's more or less my thinking - embarrassing stuff, things that would have eliminated him from the running for the presidency - but nothing earth shattering.  The kind of stuff someone could get past by just admitting he was stupid and made bad decisions - but The One wouldn't ever do anything like that.

Hell, he acts in many ways like someone on cocaine in the now.
12590  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The American president's addiction to king-like power must end on: November 06, 2014, 10:56:18 PM
I'm not quite sure what you are saying.  FACT.  Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history.

You can't deny that.  I think what you are saying is "It doesn't matter."  Well, that wouldn't quite qualify someone with your attitude to review backgrounds and qualifications of 20 people for a job in the private sector, or make either reasonable or best decisions on such a matter.

I'm saying you're ridiculous. FACT.

See, just because you slap "FACT" on something doesn't make it a fact.

For example, you stated an opinion: "Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history."

Justify this "fact" with sources and evidence, or just stop it.

I have no idea whatever the rest of your response was about, it was wholly unrelated to everything else in this thread.
Why not respond to the bolded section of my reply?

I did. I bolded my answer to it since you missed it.

Now how about you get back on topic and justify all the opinions you're spouting off as fact.
Because you premised a conspiracy argument, which is not what I made.  Then you tried to ridicule the conspiracy argument.  That's stawman work.  I responded by simply indicating that the sort of facts that one would review in a hire/not hire decision are certainly within the group of secreted documents.

I get the impression you just don't like that.

Have to agree....it's not terribly likeable....
12591  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Republicans take the Senate on: November 06, 2014, 10:48:53 PM
The Democrat party voted for the Iraq war all the same as the Republicans did, and the rank-and-file dems had access to the same intelligence files as Bush did.

Let's get real, shall we?

1.  Party affiliation of POTUS during WW1.  D.
2.  Party affiliation of POTUS during WW2.  D.
3.  Party affiliation of POTUS during the Korean war.  D.
4.  Party affiliation of POTUS during the Vietnam war. D.

I guess "get real" means trying to think things out from facts, or better still, from first premises, and not just spouting a party line spin.


No, clearly "get real" means misconstrue as meaningful historical coincidence, and ignore all historical context so you can attempt to prove a shallow point.
Huh?  The basis of the argument was Repubs not Dems are Warniks, right?

Fraid I am not seeing evidence to support that.
12592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The American president's addiction to king-like power must end on: November 06, 2014, 03:42:22 PM
I'm not quite sure what you are saying.  FACT.  Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history.

You can't deny that.  I think what you are saying is "It doesn't matter."  Well, that wouldn't quite qualify someone with your attitude to review backgrounds and qualifications of 20 people for a job in the private sector, or make either reasonable or best decisions on such a matter.

I'm saying you're ridiculous. FACT.

See, just because you slap "FACT" on something doesn't make it a fact.

For example, you stated an opinion: "Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history."

Justify this "fact" with sources and evidence, or just stop it.

I have no idea whatever the rest of your response was about, it was wholly unrelated to everything else in this thread.
Why not respond to the bolded section of my reply?
12593  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Republicans take the Senate on: November 06, 2014, 03:35:52 PM
The Democrat party voted for the Iraq war all the same as the Republicans did, and the rank-and-file dems had access to the same intelligence files as Bush did.

Let's get real, shall we?

1.  Party affiliation of POTUS during WW1.  D.
2.  Party affiliation of POTUS during WW2.  D.
3.  Party affiliation of POTUS during the Korean war.  D.
4.  Party affiliation of POTUS during the Vietnam war. D.

I guess "get real" means trying to think things out from facts, or better still, from first premises, and not just spouting a party line spin.
12594  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The American president's addiction to king-like power must end on: November 06, 2014, 03:30:19 PM
YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?

The Media sent people to check w bush's college scores out, to compare them with kerry's... then silence. He had a higher score than kerry's. That is why they kept quiet.

The weirdest thing is it is impossible to do the same thing now as all of 0bama's school papers from colombia and harvard are sealed. What was he thinking? Was he an exceptional student? The first US black president and none of the media wanted to know. At least for his presidential library? It is as if no one cares.

The dude was doing cocaine while in new york back in the days, according to his own biography. Cocaine back then was not a cheap drug like crack. From whom was he getting all that money from? Colombia and harvard are not cheap.

Time to put my tinfoil hat back on. I will still wonder though.




Right.  Deriding and ridiculing the asking of these questions can only be done by assuming a premise of some wacko conspiratorial theory.  That having actually not been made, that's a strawman argument.

The questions will not stop being asked.
12595  Other / Politics & Society / Re: IRS claims it has LOST two years' worth of emails from former official Lerner on: November 06, 2014, 03:27:35 PM
That's their way of letting us know no one can do anything about it sadly.
We'll see where this heads if, as pollsters say, the Republicans take the Senate next month.  As for what anyone can do about it, it's very simple.

Do something to help them take the Senate.
This.

The reason no one is doing anything serious about this is because the executive branch is run by obama and the senate is controlled by reid. He is essentially able to stop any bills that obama does not like and is able to ram through any nomination that Obama appoints.

Well, that's over.

Now we see what happens.
12596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Today was a good day... on: November 06, 2014, 03:26:11 PM
You know why the country is so messed up? Because both republicans and democrats know you don't have a choice.

No wonder the two party system can't be broken. You're too busy celebrating your small "victories" rather than demanding better options.

I took two parts of your quote a little out of context, but I just wanted to put them side by side for emphasis.

I believe he/she meant to say No wonder the two party system CAN be broken as a counter argument...



Given that Obama has been trying to destroy the separation of powers, given that he has hundreds of times taken action that is constitutionally the domain of Congress, given the Stasi like intimidation atmosphere he has fostered with his abuse of the IRS as a political tool, I think he was doing nothing but aiming to destroy the two party system.

Babble about "both parties are the same, both parties are just as corrupt" completely ignored that the people (from all parties) have just stood up and said...

"No, Mr. Obama, you are not a king."

But the next two years will be extremely dangerous.
12597  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Patrick Murck plays softball with AMA on Reddit not fully addressing KnC issue! on: November 06, 2014, 04:05:37 AM
Only industry members vote for new board members.   Your 250 buys you no vote at all.
I think you get a pretty little card for $250 - or something like that.  Nothing else. 

Nope, members both nominate and vote;-

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/governance-election/
Both are wrong.  Industry members vote for industry board members, individual members vote for individual-representing board members.

Actually the "individual-representing board members" seem to be industry reps masquerading, but that's a separate issue.
12598  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Foundation to repair relationship with community on: November 06, 2014, 03:33:42 AM
this is a joke. how does people even buy all this soft communication crap?

Quote
Developing a sustainable business model so that bitcoin's development isn't at the mercy of bitcoin price swings. This should also help align the Foundation's future with the value it is providing to the community.

business model? lmao.
From forward forecasting from their published financials, at current and projected BTC prices they are out of funds in less than two years.  Massive membership increases would be required to prevent this OR donations in the tune of millions of dollars.

So this is an attempt to broaden the base for survival of the paid employee base, eg the current business model.  Most non profits spend a considerable amount of time and effort fund raising, no particular reason to expect this one to be any different.
12599  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: November 06, 2014, 03:24:07 AM
Hey! It's a proven fact that people who hate other people enough to murder them, especially through suicide bombings, usually hate themselves more. The real question is, why do Muslims hate Islam?

Smiley
That's relatively easy to answer, unfortunately.

A religion/culture/tribal that fosters and breeds hate in it's people will of course find that mostly focused on close in targets.

12600  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The American president's addiction to king-like power must end on: November 06, 2014, 12:30:18 AM
YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?

Are you referring to where he was born? Because that's such a toothless conspiracy theory.

Where the money for college came from.

Why nobody - nobody - at Columbia remembers him.

What his actual grades were.

Details about his trip to Pakistan during college.

Specific details about his passport.

Why no old girlfriends exist.

You want more?

There is no toothless conspiracy theory here, there is an actual conspiracy to keep personal background secret, of a scale unprecedented in any of the American presidents.

There's no teeth in this. All of this is so old, the only people still holding on to it are sad old neo-cons in hopes that the liberal devil is the boogey man they really, really wish super hard for him to be.

'How come no one can find if he ever had a girlfriend, hmmMMMMMM?!

Yeah, that's a real credible concern we should be trying to get to the bottom of straight away!   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

No, I don't want more. I've already seen the quality you've provided so far, and I've had quite enough.
I'm not quite sure what you are saying.  FACT.  Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history.

You can't deny that.  I think what you are saying is "It doesn't matter."  Well, that wouldn't quite qualify someone with your attitude to review backgrounds and qualifications of 20 people for a job in the private sector, or make either reasonable or best decisions on such a matter.
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