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1261  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the absolute fastest way of turning cash into BTCs? on: April 23, 2011, 04:16:12 PM
I was thinking get a greendot moneypak at like a Wal-Mart or something https://www.moneypak.com/

Then find someone on the forums and do a transaction with clearcoin. Any other fast ways?

MoneyPaks are good, easy, and fairly fraud resistant. I've probably bought $1500 worth of them so far. Their only downside is that in order to deposit more than $200 or something into Paypal, the receiver must give them a bunch of information. There are a few traders on #Bitcoin-OTC who have jumped through those hoops and accept MoneyPaks though.
1262  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic of Deflationary Spiral on: April 23, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
... but shreiking about 'fractional reserve banking' being a scam is like accusing a clock hanging on a wall of making time out of nothing.

Fractional reserve is not a scam but an arbitrary regulation. The government says how much the banks must have in reserve.
In a free market different banks would have different reserves. Even different types of accounts within the same bank would have diffrent fractions of reserve. The customer and the bank would agree in how the customer will be rewarded for not having full reserve for his account.

Most importantly, in a free market, banks cannot stretch their reserves too thin, otherwise they are putting themselves at risk of a run. Contrary to popular belief, bank runs are a good thing, they keep banks honest.

A must read: What Has Government Done to Our Money?
1263  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Earn 131BTC or 12-13BTC for getting shops/organisations to accept Bitcoin! on: April 23, 2011, 01:59:55 PM
How would one pay with Bitcoin, I don't see anything on your site that indicates the option.

Incidentally, I think some forum users are working on a Bitcoin plugin for WHMCS.
1264  Economy / Economics / Re: The Ultimatum Game on: April 23, 2011, 01:41:39 PM
Is it rational to reward anti-social behavior?
1265  Economy / Economics / Re: The Ultimatum Game on: April 23, 2011, 04:17:50 AM
Looks like I shouldn't have been so hard on chimps:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/318/5847/107.abstract

They are actually smart enough to play the game right.

Likewise, you're not actually smart enough to understand that, for some people, revenge/spite has a nonzero utility.

Some of us are just in it for the lulz.

Dude, I agree with almost everything I've seen you write on this forum, but you have a really harsh way of displaying your opinions.  Not everyone who disagrees with you is dumb.  Tomcollins has proven he is intelligent and capable of putting forth some good arguments.  Just sayin

I think the only reason that b2c made that dig was because tom implied that those who didn't play the game his way were not smart. (see bold above)
1266  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic of Deflationary Spiral on: April 23, 2011, 12:35:37 AM
But time preference is founded upon a functioning economy. If you have a deflationary spiral, then you won't have a functioning economy, so time preference is invalid.

I disagree. Time preference is a fundamental aspect of human psychology, which happens to manifest itself in our economic dealings. Would you rather have $1000 now, or $1000 later?
1267  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Would this be useful? on: April 22, 2011, 11:44:00 PM
Yeah, the wallet sucks right now. Do you need public keys, private, or both? I think Keefe was going to add a JSON-RPC method to get the public key of an address.
1268  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Don't buy bitcoins" on: April 22, 2011, 11:42:13 PM


I haven't watched the video yet, but is that an upside-down Voluntaryist logo I see?

1269  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic of Deflationary Spiral on: April 22, 2011, 11:40:11 PM
Basically, humans tend to prefer things now rather than later. This preference causes people to buy the things they want, even though they could buy them cheaper in the future (due to price deflation). An example of this is in the field of information technology. Computers are always getting faster and cheaper, yet people still purchase them now.

Time preference also accounts for interest rates (I prefer money now rather than later and am willing to pay for that privilege) and many other economic phenomena.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference#Austrian_School_views
1270  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Would this be useful? on: April 22, 2011, 10:53:12 PM
Cool, thanks for the clarification.
1271  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: feedback on preliminary draft of legal paper on: April 22, 2011, 10:51:46 PM
Regarding the use of the word "fiat"...

People are using the same word to mean two different things.

The first definition, and the one I mean when I use the word, is "money that has value only because of government regulation or law".

The second, and the one that I disagree with, is "money that has value only because people value it".

The second meaning makes no sense to me, as gold does not have intrinsic value, it's only useful as money because I know that I can trade something I have for gold, then trade gold for something I want.
1272  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Would this be useful? on: April 22, 2011, 10:30:36 PM
My understanding is that Bitcoin uses ECDSA, which is only able to sign, not encrypt. Is it as easy as using those keys in an EC algorithm to encrypt messages?
1273  Economy / Economics / Economic of Deflationary Spiral on: April 22, 2011, 10:24:27 PM
1) bitcoin is deflationary so bitcoin's will exchange for more and more dollars as time goes on.
2) This means that bitcoins are worthless

Bitcoins are not deflationary. There are ~7200 Bitcoins found/created every day.

The dollar inflates at a much faster rate. Even if demand for Bitcoins was constant, the mismatch of inflation rates would cause Bitcoins to be worth more dollars over time.

Is gold worthless? Gold has and will exchange for more and more dollars as time goes on.
1274  Economy / Economics / Economic of Deflationary Spiral on: April 22, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
I'll just leave this here...

The Virtue of Hoarding

The line drawn by Keynesian between saving and hoarding is arbitrary. What to me is saving, to you is hoarding. Who is the best just of the use of my money? You or me?

Additionally, saving or hoarding money does, as you say, remove it from the economy. However, when that happens, the purchasing power of all the other money increases. That means that when I hoard, everyone else can purchase more things.

edit... One more thing. Here's a short (but good) introduction to Austrian business cycle theory. If you understand and accept that, it should be obvious that saving (aka hoarding) is a good thing.

http://oneminute.rationalmind.net/business_cycles/
1275  Economy / Economics / Re: Where do you keep your bitcoins? on: April 22, 2011, 09:56:07 PM
Maybe I'm missing something but you can save your BTC in _ the vacuum of space.

1) Install a client on a spare machine. Generate one bitcoin address and save the wallet.dat file. Put that wallet.dat somewhere safe (for example on a USB stick in a bank). You should of course have multiple safe copy.

2) Send any money you want to save to the address. That's it.


The day you will need that money, you will of course have to find back one of the copy of the wallet.dat file and run it through a client. All your savings should miraculously appear!

That's correct. You only have to access your savings wallet to spend coins, not deposit. Though, you're not storing anything in the vacuum of space, just the block chain (essentially, other people's computers).
1276  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: April 22, 2011, 08:30:32 PM
so no resistance at 1.5?

I'm pretty sure technical analysis is more complicated than looking for spikes on a chart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Support_and_resistance
1277  Economy / Economics / Re: Alright, I got 50 Bitcents here. on: April 22, 2011, 07:00:35 PM
What if we created a simple web site to match up participants? That would fix the anonymity problem, as well as automating data collection. It could accept donations, and perhaps act as a faucet alternative in addition to collecting valuable data...

While reading the other thread, I was thinking that what people think they would do, and what they would actually do are often two different things.
1278  Economy / Economics / Re: The Ultimatum Game on: April 22, 2011, 12:13:50 AM
Another interesting thing to think about is I am almost positive you could game the results by playing the same game but worded differently.

Are you saying that you would react exactly the same in the two different scenarios?

That you feel there would be a difference in the reactions of others makes me believe that you would react differently as well, but you consider yourself to be more rational (for some - your - definition of rational) than others.
1279  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [POLL 1/3] Bitcoin: URI refactor? Low-level vs high-level on: April 21, 2011, 07:38:47 PM
xf2_org == jgarzik?

Completely disagree.  It is easy for a program to read a human readable number (there is already a function in util.cpp).  But its a URL, many, many people will be writing them in Forum sigs, websites, etc. 

Why does this need to be human readable?

Click this link in my sig to donate!

Code:
<a href=http://bitcoin:1J86yuX5qTZwAzx7EC5ik7bYYDEtyrCenM?label=BitterTea&message=test_do_not_use&amount=5,005>Click this link in my sig to donate!</a>

Now, how would you interpret 5,005? Is that five thousand and five bitcoins, or five and one two hundreths of a bitcoin? It depends on the locality of the user who created the link.
1280  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [POLL 1/3] Bitcoin: URI refactor? Low-level vs high-level on: April 21, 2011, 07:07:52 PM
I'm with Jgarzik on this one. Make it human readable. Not computer readable, not tonal geek readable, human readable

When did Jgarzik say this? It seems to me that he just does not like Luke pushing tonal.

You're not understanding that the URI being human readable has little purpose, but it definitely has to be computer readable. How else do you propose that Bitcoin (or whatever software) parse it?
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