even street hustlers playing the 3shell/card trick do similar tactics. they have a 'friend' jump in who pretends to be a stranger, picks the right option to get a win, gets paid the reward and walks off leaving the suckers to think thy have a chance of winning too

its a way to fake looking honest, having more popularity by having more people playing at any time to tempt naive people in by paying out at a win. when reality the pay out/only wins are the hustlers friends

'wash trading' is a thing that happens even in fiat markets

the way it works is imagine 3 people want to buy at exactly $8001.12
(a)0.1 (b)0.2(c)0.3 total 0.6
on a market the order line just shows as 0.6 but within this orderline the washtrader(c) always puts their trade first

not only does it mean they can match their sell trade to their buy trade by being first. but also they have more control of setting prices and taking advantage of market changes by being first inline in every deal

i guarantee you if your an outsider putting in an offer, your offer at any price will not be the first inline to 'take'
its how many fiat and crypto exchanges work.no exchange will let its customers benefit first from good market movements.

and its use of this tactic that lets user (c) who is always first inline be able to buy and sell multiple time even when there is no price movement, even when there are other customers waiting for their orders to fill, to be trading before everyone and thus increase the volume before actual users get their orders filled. thus inflating the volume.

exchanges also done ghost orders in the past. which is inverting the 'wash trading' tactic
imagine (a)0.1 (b)0.2(c)0.3 total 0.6 and although the price was $8001.12, they put their order at $8000
with (c) last. thus if the price went down to $8k the orders eat up (a) (b) first.
this means that (c) can put in a big number of say 100 coins and create a 'wall' using ghost funds(made up/fake) so that if the price got near their order they still have time to cancel their order while (a)(b) is getting filled.

this was done most notably by mtgox many years ago to create walls to sway users that its impossible for the price to break below the large wall.  thus people start trading in the opposite direction thinking the wall is good support/resistance barrier

trying to fight the adverts of which chain is bitcoin is a war no one can win.
because as soon as you think you have, someone else forks and makes bitcoin xyz or bitcoinpaper or bitcoinmeme and it starts all over again

instead the most sensible and smart war to battle is to let people know that bitcoin analogy is like dollar
there are many dollars(canadian, zimbabwee, australian) but the main one is cores(US dollar)

just shouting bitcoinxxx aint bitcoin is exactly like saying australians dont use dollars(no win argument thats flawed)

these bitcoin forks are from a technical point bitcoin forks
because they all have satoshis genesis in them
bitcoins # for block1 is 00000000839a8e6886ab5951d76f411475428afc90947ee320161bbf18eb6048
so from a technical point litecoin is not a bitcoin fork
litecoins # for block1 is 80ca095ed10b02e53d769eb6eaf92cd04e9e0759e5be4a8477b42911ba49c78f

so in no way can a true altcoin be a bitcoin. meaning litecoin would be a 'pound' or a 'yen' but not a dollar
take bitcoinPlus this is a good xample of a coin that has no satoshi genesis
block#1: 000004abe215ffa766d43c64be31d187c353186163bb11e860ad3ea2c70d8cb9 (year: 2015)
so both ecomonical level and technical level is not a 'bitcoin' even though the brand says it
however the bitcoin forks that include the satoshi genesis would be a harder argument to fight

so just to make the argument simple to fight
once you make it common knowledge that there is more than one 'dollar' currency in the world people stop thinking they are getting a great deal buying canadian and thinking its american. but instead know to expect there are canadian, australian, american and find the one right for them when they want to buy the american dollar
thus less headaches and less battle and getting straight to the point of helping people become more observant

however if you keep saying 'there is only one bitcoin' people will get easily fooled thinking all the forks and brand copies are the same thing

the only time a price rise would be supported/sustained is if the cost of mining supports it
if people cannot mine cheap, they simply buy it instead.
those mining refuse to sell at a loss. meaning both buyers and sellers are giving the market a better value where they wont want to sell for less

the cost of mining is still not near $10k but at the most efficienct costs of ~$7.5k meaning about $8k as a minimum sell for profit
so ofcourse the price had every chance of returning to ~$8k
nothing, absolutely nothing indicated the near $10k was sustainable.
the $10k was just speculative, emotional hype froth(mini bubble layer)

hal never claimed to be satoshi.. no ifs or maybes.. 100% no claim
hal did help satoshi.. no ifs or maybes.. 100% proof of help

just another day
3 days ago price went down. now it goes up.

Mr miagi teach daniel son. "market is like painting fence.. up down up down up down up down"

CW is not satoshi
hal is not satoshi

CW didnt even come onto the scene until 2015 but was scamming related to btc since ~2011(creating the no collateral tulip trust)
CW had no connection to hal.. i think your mixing people up
CW friend was not hals friend but daves friend
heres dave                            heres hal

2 different people
CW didnt dox himself until after daves death.. again unrelated to hal completely

hal was hal using his own username and writing his own code in his own style and was talking to satoshi and helping satoshi debug the code

also:
hal was definetly interested in money. all the cypherpunks were.
hal especially because he wanted to leave his family set for life with a healthy nest egg(as most dying people do when thinking about family). at the time he didnt know if bitcoiin would be that nest egg but he was also interested in making sound money that could change the world and give people(and family) a means of monetary freedom away from government support.

come on. its just common knowledge when someone gets bad news the main thing that motivates people is thinking about their family and others. its called leaving a nest egg or a legacy, inheritance.
only the most immoral/callus people would go on a spending spree using up all their life savings and leaving the family to be supported by government welfare/support.

seems this topic creator knows nothing of the basics
but back to my point

CW is not satoshi
hal is not satoshi
satoshi is satoshi
hal was just hal who helped satoshi
CW is just scammer who helped himself create fraud against australian government and private investors

this topic should be named scam warning spoofing ledger emails
that said.
an actual security vulnerability is the fact when you plug in a ledger and you use a webbrowser interface, the interface may not be from ledger but a phishing site with a pretend 'problem with ledger, please re-type in your seed to reset'. whereby your seed then goes to scammers

so be careful if ever asked to type in your seed

1. do not, never have a hot wallet on your website.
just use mysql databases to store things like a deposit address for your customers. and another database to have a pending withdrawals list. which a separate server/system away from your site manages the actual wallet stuff
(imagine it like fairground rides. the rides never touch the money. they just play with tickets. the tickets are bought/redeemed separately)

2. there are many open source games already around so do something simple and honest first to gain some fame, popularity, loyalty and ofcourse some funds. and then use those funds and loyalty to expand to the main project you really want to have
if you dont have the upfront funds or the expertise. dont run before you can walk so start small

3. as point one mentions. you dont need to worry so much about paying out at every win if you just give them a internal 'balance' that just goes up and down depending on win or lose deposit/withdrawal. they can get funds back when they press for a withdrawal request.
trying to manage dozens/thousands of tx's for every play especially with block time concerns as it means for someone to instaplay by just paying into a address of choice and if it wins funds go back to the address funding it. is messy.
'satoshi dice' was an example of this and it was very messy, and done purely as a means of pushing the network to see what it could handle
aswell as the 20min gap between when the person presses send, you get 1 confirm,(win occurs) you send back, the customer gets 1 confirm.. people wont actually get to 'instaplay' by one tx at a time as its too slow for that. so its better to have a deposit and internal balance and then withdraw when had enough

you yourself or asking others to go around scavenging for scrap electronics costs alot of time.
knocking on doors hoping someones home. then if they are having to introduce yourself, explain why your knocking and asking if they have any unused electronics.. even if they did most people wont hand them over because of many reasons.

the best option is to use the towns garbage recycling system. ask them if you can manage the metals part. get them to make electronic disposal part of their collection offering to the town.  that way your using their staff for the foot work and your employees can concentrate on the smelting.

that said. copper is still not that profitable. if you work it out the time to unscrew a device and pull out the copper vs the weight cost makes it expensive to run.. there are more things in the world that earn more per kg.

heck. people think oil is expensive but a 42gallon drum for $55 is cheap compared to milk.
1gallon oil = $1.31
1gallon milk $5.44

sometimes even if you think copper is 4x aluminium in price per weight. the availability, the scavenging costs make copper more than 4x to acquire thus on resell not as profitable as aluminium

many have tried scavenging gold from phones but the amount in the phone minus the time to get at it makes it more expensive to 'mine' than say offering a baked bean tin recycling service to a town.

so in short
just think about the costs of running and operating.
in the UK no one wastes time on electronic devices. and it only kinda breaks even on copper plumbing pipes(more copper+less time to scavenge) yet the baked bean can recycling is bigger business where 99% of what comes in gets recycled.

last point. what will you do with the scrap plastic after ripping out the copper metal from electronics. most plastics end up needing special licences/permits to melt down or dispose of, which adds to the costs. (hense copper plumbing pipes is the main/only sustainable scavenging item)

this topic aint new but worth a mention
other tricks are that these qr readers may actually have a list of 200k-11m addresses preloaded of vanity gen addresses of every first 3-4 characters of an address. but where the scammer has all the privkeys of.

because some people only check the first few characters the destination of a tx appears to match where you hope it should go, so people are easily duped if in a rush

best advice after scanning an address. check the destination. its best to check the whole address matchs, but if in a rush check the final few characters. not the first few. this is because its harder to vanity gen the final few characters than it is to gen the first few

also some wallet apps themselves has issues. where the user viewing display shows what you want, but the code signing a tx is signing for a different destination

in short be careful with all apps, whether just a reader or a wallet or even an unrelated app that can be a trojan

agree. also
cheddar cheese is actually cheddar cheese from cheddar. not some replicant only branded cheddar like yanks and euros sell

things like potatos.. in england we dont actually get majority of our spuds from ireland they come from egypt. so news of a 'potato famine' is just a joke.

if it becomes too expensive to buy things from europe, great we will make our own again. or get them elsewhere, thus restart industry=more jobs
woo hoo volkswagons too expensive, great we will open our own ford/nissan factories(avoiding euro cars) and also bring back old brands like morris minors. austin. heck even expand the ariel atom to be more popular
we will then put up the price of Jaguar Cars, MINI Cooper, Aston Martin, Rolls-Royce, Land Rover, Bentley Motors Limited
when europe wants to buy them. they can afford it

funny part is britain is not an american state, not an indian state, not an asian state nor a african state or a south american state, yet we continue to de trade with those regions. so no matter what the euro deal is or isnt we will continue.

UK's finance markets and tax/customs office can even soften the blow of euro customs tarrif very easily. by just making europe pay extra for a pound.
EG if £1 product is e1.20(no tarriff) but then euro want to implement a 10% tarriff. britain can just start making europe only get
£1 for thier new $1.32

theres many many thing that can be done. many people dont realise EU actually relis on us more because of our commonwealth ties. yp the EU will end up heving to make new negociations with separate countries because some of the deals before were done via the cmmonwealth treaty being extended to euro to certain conditional trades

but dont forget they make $440k-$1.4m a day on their internal market trade fees. so they wont wont to vex all their customers over just 1-3months of internal market fees.

if thy did the 'bank run' of people escaping would cost them more than the loss.

binance charge $4 to so that people can take their money out of their service
i remember soo many people using paypals 20cent fee as a reason to tell others to switch to btc
i remember soo many people using western unions fee as a reason to tell others to switch to btc

heck id be pee'd off if an atm charged me anything for a withdrawal

i can kinda understand the principal. it kinda deters people withdrawing, thus keeps them trading a bit longer
but i know some businesses in the cryptosphere are getting a lil greedy

ok imagine bitcoins $price was $8400 and bread price was L4200 loaves

in a recession a loaf of bread can rise , such as $2->$4->$8
in short btc could go to $16800, $33600m $67200 but it would still only get you 4200 loaves of bread all the way along

inshort.. its 'if btc gets to $200k, i getting a new lambo'
          then 'if btc gets to $200k, i getting a new ford'
          then 'if btc gets to $200k, i getting a second hand ford'

my strategy of day trading is simple
1. dont put all your eggs into on basket
2. dont hodl for *xx% profits. instead use small amounts and take small 1-2% profits repetedly, which add up to be large profits over time

EG
say i had 100btc and wanted to get it to 103btc. i would not put 100btc into an exchange and hope for a 6% rise to sell and then hope it goes back 103% to buy to gain the 103btc.

instead. id take 3btc. and just make 1% profits regularly. most days show more than one oppertunity to do such. thus add it up 1% of 3btc = 0.03btc
0.03btc x 365= 10.95
thus aiming for 1% a day if successful gets you near 11btc more. or if only successful a third of the time still gets you your 3btc extra

next point
aswell as not putting all 100coin in. dont also put the whole 3btc as a single order. this is because if you misjudge one order. you could b waiting for days/weeks to cycle it into profit. by this i mean break it down into 3 allotments of 1btc. that way if you sell it at say $8000 and hop to buy in at 7920(1%).. it may not go down to that, however if you sold 1btc at 8k and put it to buy at 7920 .. if it dont go down. its ok, leave it there.
the price is obviously going up in that instance. so u sell for say 8.2k and aim to buy at 8118. if that does not go down. then you sell at 8.4k aiming to buy a 8.316

not only dos this tactic average ur value of 3btc at 8200 instead of the single order of btc at 8000. but also prevnts a single chance of bing right or wrong and instead gives you 3 chances

which compared to just throwing all 100btc at 8000 and hope to buy in at 7760 which is far worse hope than other buy back prices suggested in this example. its also alot of risk.
but using just 3 btc mitigates risk to just 3%.. then splitting the 3btc into 3 changes mitigates the risk even further.

the key thing is this.. dont be greedy.
dont start to think
if i can take 3btc and turn it into triple in a year why shouldnt i take 100 and triple it
if i can take 3btc and turn it into triple in a year using the 1% cycle method why shouldnt i take 100 and do 5% cycle and 15x it

becaus as i said
1% swings happen alot, giving you many oppertunities.. but not everyone is instant success or guarantee
5% swings dont happen as often, and have longer gaps between their occurrances. meaning less oppertunities
many people can do 6x 1% cycles mor often than 1x5% cycle.
putting it all into one order means you got no back up funds to take other oppertunities while u wait for the first order to cycle
and of course if that first order never cycles. justleave it there. and just cycle the other two repeatedly. and eventually the profits from the 2 will payoff the loss of the first. all while only risking 3%

i personally play with 10 allocations of a low risk amount. i have never and will never use my whole hoard.

separetly. if your not into day trading others have advised, using personal, professional skills to earn money from doing jobs, crating a business, offering services. which is much safer as all your risking is your sweat labour. not your assets

1. btc 2018 is not the same rules as bitcoin 2016.. neither is bitcoin cash. hens 2 different directions from the 2016 version. hense why gmax called it a bilateral split. again for emphasis. gmax named it such. not me. again lets get it right. the word bilateral split begun by gmax's utility of the word. it is not a word i invented or started using. the reason i laugh so much is that you want to deny it occuring yet it was the devs that caused it, named it, mandated it.. not me. i simply informed people of the devs actions. if you have an issue of the use of bilateral splits then take that up with those you follow.


2. anyone can say 'troll coz troll' but thats just empty rebuttle of throwing around names without backing it up. luke backed out of his signed agreement to help the community implement segwit+2mb base in 2015-6. and then went on to say he had no big involvement in core to be able to do anything.. and then went on hypocritically disproving that excuse by doing the mandated fork deadline to get what he prefered 1mbsegwit.
which as we all know he achieved. so the blockchain data itself shows that me highlighting the events is not a troll. hense he cannot actually rebut the history. so he just says 'troll because troll' which is empty of substance. he and gmax just hate being called out for their activities and treat publicising thier agenda as an attack so its the 'attack' they consider the trolling not the content/details, as it hits them personally. although the community still should know whats going on. by the way block data shows more truth than luke/gregs selective wording does

3. see there you go again.. 'go to your bitcoin' very naive, immature and lacking of understanding

4. you said followers too you deny there are leaders but who do followers follow. who leads the followers. .. its simple english
for there to be on there has to be the other

5. do you really want to put your head in the sand that CW's first public appearance was at a conference with nick szabo... come on. they even made a video of it. but hey be ignorant. it seems to be your gameplay
as for luke., gmax... if you think no one should hold the devs accountable, no one should be critical/criticize them. then im guessing your next act is to make a bitcoin bible announcing dves gods?.. people SHOULD be critical of devs and hold them to account. anyone with trust/hope, praise are just people who have no understanding of whats really important

enjoy writing your bitcoin bible of your gods and how you want your flock to follow them.
meanwhile many independant people will continue to try to ensure bitcoin doesnt continue on the centralist path your gods wish to lead

its more about how your introducd to it

too many people are introduced to it via 'network marketing' and 'get rich quick' chats.. thus they are normally just interested in the put fiat in get more fiat out side and not caring about larning about bitcoins real utility

others are introduced via the secure ur wealth against bank, police, court freezes. epecially due to the banking crises around the world. these are people interested in the price but also the tech

others are like liberty/self sustainability, self management. not wanting to put faith into banks/governments. these typ of people are not so much interested in the price but the tech. after all 1BTC could be worth $1billion.. but that $1billion could be worth just a second hand car (note: Zimbabwe dollar)

bitcoins problem is not the price. in my life time gold has gone $2k->$400->$2k
in the last few years i seen £<>$  go from 1.60-1.20
in short. NOTHING is stable
even a price of bread moves in prices.

but bitcoins problem is tx/day... and no before people even dare advertising alt networks using btc pegging/lockups to play around on other networks, those are not the btc network.

bitcoins tx/day means its not fit for daily utility of millions of people.(bitcoin has never exceeded 600k a day in any day over the last 10 years)

the price speculative stuff.. thats just market play
take cars, its inflationary, no one sells a 2nd hand car at its value, they always sell it below value
take bitcoin, its deflationary, no one buys a bitcoin at its value, they always buy it above value

same with gold. the 'spot price' is not the same as the value

so yes the PRICE is speculative. but if you know what the VALUE is then you can see where the PRICE sits above it to know how speculative your being.
EG the $20k ATH was 3x of pure speculation hype. hense it corrected down so much.
those buying now are much closer to value than the ATH, so now is a better time to buy

that said i just read it as bitcoin is not ready as something 7billion people should all jump in on. but nothing wrong with whoever wants to take the chance can. to me its just standard risk observation stuff. not a ban but not a free-for-all jump onboard promotion

be careful with that thought process
the 18m coins in circulation(supply) is not the same as the 1.2m coins in exchange(supply)

in very value simplicity. if no more coins were mind today. exchange demand can increase 15x without even touching the full circulation supply tip

..
also the actual numbers of bitcoin is 2,100,000,000,000,000sats
btc(100m sats) is just an arbitory human eye visable depiction of the actual units available meaning
2.1quadrillion people can own 1 unit equally
21trillion people can own 100sat(1bit) equally
7billion people can own 3000bits(300,000sats) equally

most people life savings are just ~$25k(average) meaning 12sats can be $1
. but to get to my point.
devs are already trying to trick economic supply/demand by allowing 1000x more units of measure
they want to add 'millisats' into it
basically 1btc=100,000,000,000ms
by having more units of measure more people can have a 'share'/unit. or more people can accumilate more units of measure. thus cause a change to the supply/demand dynamic

so dont expect much rational/smart people to be affected by supply/demand in 120 years when fresh coins dry up. you will just see speculation/hype bubble pump the speculative spot price way above the underlying value next year for a temporary spike in a new ATH and settle down again when drama is over.
in short the halving is not in of itslf a value increase indicator but a speculative temporary drama event. which offers a small oppertunity for miners to profit and expand their farms where by the farms then sustain a higher value support wall