What do you mean?

How much do I wanna pay to get them fixed and launched right?

Or how much do I wanna pay to get a coin launched right with all the features, you know, like a real programmer?

This is pointless.  Utterly pointless. 


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Your hindsight vision is impeccable.  Useless, but easily 20/20.  Maybe you isn't catch the part about me wanting to pay more.  Whatever it took.

I didn't go cheap.  The problem is that there's a misconception that people here are programmers and they're not and a ranking system can solve that cause I'm sure som here are really programmers button rare hiding nut it would be easy to solve that with a simply ranking system.

You people must love being inundated with Crapzcoins otherwise why wouldn't you be all over this idea which adds clarity and gives credit to real programmers?

No that only adds another layer of complexity and nonsense.  What wrong with programmers putting a star or rating next to their name.  Is that complicated?  Yeah, that's way too easy for anyone coming in here to figure out - let's send everyone to GitHub and maybe in a few months they'll figure it out.  

You know, cause a ranking system, like this useless I got 5 coins under my name serves no purpose but its there but to have something similar which actually serves a purpose and would pay some people what they deserve while people looking to launch coins would actually find the right talent and maybe not launch more ShitCoins, well, who needs that level of clarity and communication, we're not business majors here, we're fringe hacker wannabes so why mess with common sense.

Yeah, great idea dude, I hope you're full of these, don't be shy, let them all out of your ass ASAP, it must hurt keeping that much shit in there.

Oh seriously, he screwed up cause I paid him $20?  I paid him more, he was the most expensive and then I offered him nearly double that when I saw it was a touch get job than I first thought but he declined.

So now you're talking out of your ass like you know what I actually paid him.  I paid more than he asked and then offered almost double that on top of that without him asking for it but he declined to take more money.

So now you're just acting like a mindless women who fails to think before speaking.

So can we get a list of programmers going.


Maybe a name and a number, on a scale of 1-10.  A 10 meaning you can program anything - a true hacker.

A 5 meaning you can change code and add a bit of new stuff.

Please, this community shouldn't have to gamble with this and as a result instead of putting out a surest coin it turns out into a debacle and a total shit coin.

My coin could have been a pretty good coin, even the programmer realized it but due to lack of knowledge or experience and unable to find a second programmer I got screwed.  That should have to happen c

We need a protocol in place where the right programmer can be found for the right job.  

And look, if you have 9 stars, it also means you'll get paid more money automatically by anyone wanting to hire you.  It works both ways.

Software companies charge $100 per hour.

A grad student can program anything and they'll work for $20 per hour in the student lab cause they actually make less working as student aides.

Mine were set as a lottery.  And I never heard of super locks before so as far as I knew wit was a great idea.

And obviously this wasn't a regular super block idea otherwise he wouldn't have had such problems with it.


Mine are Goden Blocks, excuse me, Vlad Golden Blocks and if all my features would have been put to work and done right it would have been a great coin.  Half my fault for not knowing who's who and who can do what.  I thought I found the best programmer here.

There needs to be a system in place to let people know the level of programming a person can do.  Like stars next their name.

I'm not outing anyone since this guy did his best and he refused to take more money when i offered cause I felt  it was a more complex coin, so that says a lot about his integrity but to show you that I tried my best to make a better, decent coin and I simply couldn't find anyone.   Here was his response and there was another one where he was testing it for a couple hours and said it was running great so why would I then test it again when I don't know jack about programming and no other programmer was answering my PM's while all of a sudden a bunch of douche copy cats started dumping super block coins on the market after reading my threads for the past week, so I was In an urgent mood.

Also note, I was clear from the beginning I wanted no premine but he wasn't able to do a gradual slow payout which my polls showed people were ok with.
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Next, I haven't even ever considered how to make a coin (ala DVC) that keeps back a bit for a single (or public) wallet. I believe there was a scrypt coin that was going to do exactly this, but I don't recall if it ever worked or got off the ground. Using the PoW coins Its MUCH easier to do this via premine or set blocks worth xx% of coins right up front, but I hear you with the whole "no premining" thing.

Last, I don't want any rewards, as I've already done the rounds on multiple coin releases and I am not interested in being a part of another one (no offense to you or your coin at all, its just not my thing, I'm somewhat anti-social like that) Also, I don't want to promise anything more than I can deliver. I'm sure you understand, this is a hobby for me and while I am certainly not a novice, I don't profess to be a c++ master.

Your ideas are very ambitious and will certainly make for a great coin should they come to fruition. Alas, they are out of the scope of my creation services and price point for the time being as you've specified. I'm certain someone out there can get what you want done, but note that *most of the other "devs" are simply readers of my alt-coin guide who can compile and google. Be careful sending any $ to them unless they can deliver some kind of reassurance that your NEW ideas can be done.

REALLY FINALLY: The specs you sent me in your first message are fully do-able. The superblock idea and holdback ideas are also do-able if you use a premine strategy. The whole thing together however is out of the scope/price range of my ability. If you want to do something like I've mentioned, let me know, otherwise I wish you the best finding another developer!!

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Again, no names there, i don't want to embarrass anyone, I never once mentioned this programmers name and you'll never guess it cause i bounced Around to a number of guys before i finally chose one.  just to show you how hard it was to find a programmer to do the features I wanted.  I tried my best.  It was just IMPOSSIBLE.  Real programmers should have a programmer STAR by their names so guys in the future who may have a great coin in mind can easily find qualified programmers.

Remember this is one of the best guys on here.  Everyone I talked to said basically:  he can do things I can't do, he's your guy, if anyone can do it he can so that's why I went with him.  I take half the blame but you people need a system on place to show the level of ability reach programmer has.    This guy is good but what I needed for my features was a real full blown programmer.0, and frankly I have no idea where to find such a man.  

The was intro to computers where they teach you this is a keyboard and this is a mouse.  What a waste of menu so I skipped that even though it was an easy A.


I said eff this and jumped way ahead and took a computer science programming class level 160 I believe but it was for computer science majors. It was a C++ class but what do you recall many years later.  And I got a B+ which is ok, aced all the tests but lost 10 points in every assignment cause they were always late cause I didn't buy any of the 3 required books.  I didn't buy textbooks since my freshman year so sometimes that caused problems.  These 10 lost points on some 5 major assignments dropped me to a B+.

If you have a talent or skill you should be paid for it and if tis a really good talent you hold be paid well.  I would have paid more if the coin would have included all my "too ambitious" features.  And i would have gladly done it.

That's your advice?  Very cowardly, senseless advice.  A lot of newer guys looking to make a coin and maybe have some great features can have the same thing happen - this is a learning experience and its on my skin so I don't mind.  I'm not you. I don't run and cower away when I screw up.  I do what I can to fix it and if it can't be fixed then I start over but to start over I need to know who's who Cause I was obviously naivé to think everyone was a real programmer.

When I heard "your coin is too ambitious" I shouldn't have gone any further but when asking around that was the best I could find.  Maybe there are no real programmers here just self learned guys who can change a few lines of code.  That's not possible in my mind but then again I'm pretty gullible.

Alright, get this:  I followed the protocol that you "pros" created.  Pay a dev and launch it.  Nobody ever said proof read it and I actually tried but couldn't find anyone and when a dev said, I'm running it and it looks good, that's a test run so why would I doubt him?

For crying outloud, its 98% copy and paste, I wanted a few few features but it was "too ambitious, so I settled for the golden blocks. I thought in was dealing with a pro, why would I proof read it?


So here's my question, who here is a rea full blown programmer?  All jokes aside, I've rather enjoyed, in a weird self punishing fashion all the laughs at my expense, but i thought you were all programmers, call me naivé or stupidé.

So can I have a few honest guys please stand up and say, ok, I can program anything and this is my fee? I don't mind paying more if what I get is real programming and not a hack job that is then my fault cause the programmer tested it and stupid me, an economist that can't code 2 lines didn't proof read it.

I wanna see how many can seriously program.  I think MarKM is a real deal, I think maybe twoBits is the real deal but I'm not sure and there's gonna be a few more.  If I get a set of real features together and they're new, then you guys make anything happen?  Can this coin be salvaged if I add a few features to it that originally were "too ambitious"?  

I'm asking a serious question - this is part what thisnforumnis about so let's get some honest answers.  I got fooled once I don't want to make the same mistake again.    If none exist then my only option is to go to the student lab where I went to school and talk to some grad students but who knows if they'll just steal my ideas.  Hard to say.

Let's stop the laughter for 5 minutes and get an honest head count please of the real, the very real deals.  Doesn't anyone have a bachelor's of science in programming here?  Not that it's necessary but it would mean you can program just about anything.   Thanks in advance.

And maybe real proven programmers can have a special star put next to their names so newbies know who's who when looking for a proven programmer, it would save people and the community a lot of trouble and in necessary laughter.

Well, let's have it, all real REAL PROGRAMMERS OUT OF THE CLOSET PLEASE!  TIA

Flip a coin.

Never knew knew there was such a good thing as a very good troll.  I wonder if they're hiring.

Thanks for the advice.  I will try to find a medium.  But when I feel strongly about something like I do about slt coins, I learned hard way years ago to fight tooth and nail for it and let no one stand in my way.

But appreciate you taking the time to give me your heartfelt advice, brother.

It's been a blast.  Not really, but I did learn a few things.

But seriously, I'm going to bed. My eyes are closing as I write.

Investing for the long run is a get rich quick scheme to you, eh?  Maybe you too Need a dictionary.

And many millionaires and billionaires sold off everything they had or mortgaged their house when a lifetime opportunity showed up.  The different between me and you is I'm not afraid of risk.

That doesn't mean I'll succeed but I definitely have a risk quality you obviously not only lack but don't  even realize is a fatal investment flaw.

Thanks, the programmer told me it would be 1% when I told him to delete all premined coins.  Whatever, it makes no difference, I got jack and I need to find a good way to get coins in my own coins.  It's like jobs not having shares in his own company cause his romp lures didn't like the idea.  I know I'm not jobs, no need to repeat that.  It's the point that matters.  Devs should be paid well.

Thanks for the heads up.  I gotta get to bed.

I wish I had 20:4 vision, then I could read your post and maybe even laugh.  Good night.

I'm spent.  It's 4am and I'm starting to feel delusional and kinda in that funny laughing at the paint on the wall kinda mood.  That's why my last post was a bit personal and heartfelt.  But it was honest and from the heart so I let it go.  

That's my moto - honesty as much as possible.  That seems to be the main lacking ingredient and wuality around here.

Good night all.  Lets hope tomorrow will go better than today.  

And if not, then hey, I'm up for everyone having a food laugh at my expense one more day.  It's not like I don't deserve it or I didn't go begging for it or searching for it with a candle. LOL!

Good night.