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1301  Economy / Economics / Re: Why people scam on: April 18, 2018, 04:26:55 PM
The reason why people scam is because they want an easy money in which sometimes they choose money vs. friendship, morality and even dignity just to have that instant money. For those people who do this kind of job, they are happy to have more money without thinking the consequences they might encounter at the end. They don't even want to work as hard as others can just to earn for a living.
they do not think long term. who think only of making a lot of money in a short time, they unknowingly turn off the steps to achieve success, because their efforts can only run once, and then no one believes again
1302  Economy / Economics / Re: Difference of Trading and Investing? on: April 18, 2018, 04:23:04 PM
Trading and investing of course there is a very clear difference, investing is to buy coins and keep for a long time while trading is buying and selling in a short time as long as we get profit.
trading can also be long term, depending on the specified target, if  think investment is limited time while our trading has a target to a certain price and in accordance with the planned analysis
1303  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New ICOs on: April 18, 2018, 01:34:09 PM
if i suggest to participate in the robotina project, because the token-based is not a stake. so we can collect many tokens of each post, but also must follow the existing rule
1304  Economy / Economics / Re: The HODL strategy is not actual on: April 18, 2018, 01:25:59 PM
they want to minimize the loss because price is getting low then they will buy again at the lowest price. when others sell the price will went down and others will follow to sell. it depends on what strategy you will take to minimize and maximeze your profit.
indeed sometimes the cut loss strategy is better, but sometimes we do not know price will go down or up, for that the best strategy is our analysis, and we must be disciplined against analysis so as not to follow fud or fomo
1305  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Should I Choose Bitcoin ?? on: April 18, 2018, 01:19:48 PM
Unexpected ways like a sudden increase in bitcoin price can be a good thing. And I would say currently this only happen with bitcoin, or most probably to happen with bitcoin, with fiat it happens very rarely. That is a good reason to choose bitcoin instead of another currencies.

unexpected price increases due to bitcoin based on the law of demand and supply, so as demand increases significantly then price also rises significantly. besides that bitcoin is a new breakthrough of digital currency
1306  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure on: April 17, 2018, 02:34:03 PM
saya sudah coba tanya laurent untuk masalah bounty tapi tidak pernah mendapatkan jawaban jadi ditunggu saja , katanya mereka akan update spreadsheet tapi sampai sekarang tidak jadi-jadi , semoga saja ada itikad baik dari envion team , seperti yang dilakukan XUC dulu.

kalau seperti xuc sih ga mungkin
kenapa lah ini persoalan nya menganai campaign manager nya yang malas
dan dev pun ga responsive untuk menyuruh campaign manager nya menyelesaikan nya

intinya campaign manager dan dev nya yang buruk kinerja nya

xuc berbeda sekali dengan envion yang tidak ada itikad baik. berlindung dibawah ketek investor dengan alasan melakukan audit investor untuk verifikasi KYC. sementara mereka tidak menetapkan batas waktu kepada investor untuk melakukan verifikasi. seharusnya mereka menetapkan batas waktu, yang tidak melakukan verifikasi segera saja refund dana mereka.
proyek envion sangat banyak investor yang bergabung gan jadi kalau verifikasinya lama dapat di maklum juga tapi limit batas waktu untuk verifikasi KYC juga harus di tetapkan agar terlalu larut dalam verifikasi KYC dan dapat berjalan roadmap selanjutnya

Betul sekali gan walaupun proyek ENVION ini merupakn proyek besar,seharusnya verifikasi KYCnya juga cepat terselesaikan
belum lagi masalah lainnya,update info barunya keknya belum dapat ini.
menurut saya itu hanya dibuat sebagai alasan aja tuh gan mengingat project" sebelum nya yang mengharus kan KYC aja gak selama ini tuh, seharus nya ada info yang lebih lanjut lagi mengenai bounty nya agar tidak terabaikan seperti sekarang ini.
kalau melihat  permasalahan seperti itu gan pasti ane gan juga merasa bimbang gan apalagi kalau gak jelas gan semoga saja akan segera selesai ,,, mending tanya langsung gan sama devnya
bnr gan mending tanyain langsung,dev juga sprtinya kurang respon dri bebrpa pertnyaan yang kayak gini nih membuat kebayakn orang takut gan salah satu contoh yang tdk jelas apa lagi kalau ada yang merasa dirugikan bisa2 respon ke ico lain akan berpengaruh dan otomatis menghambat kenaikan harga coin itu sendiri
Kalau itu merupakan resiko yang akan diterima dev dari proyek ico ini gan, kinerja yang kurang baik akan membuat trader juga ogah untuk jual/beli token ini. Saya sangat kecewa dengan tim envion yang responnya sangat lamban bahkan tidak ada sama sekali.
Agak aneh juga devnya kenapa mendelay distribusi bounty, kan pada akhirnya mereka juga akan memberikannya. Atau mereka gak ada niat buat bayar bounty hunter. Semua peserta pasti pada kecewa dengan kinerja dev yang seperti ini padahal iconya kemarin sukses sekali ya gan.
maka dari itu gan peserta bounty nya merasa kecewa dan masih menunggu kejelasan nya karena khawatir kalau tidak dibayar seperti kasus" project sebelum nya yang didelay terlalu lama dan akhir nya dibawa kabur dana nya. Roll Eyes
sabar saja gan, mungkin ini adalah salah satu strategi dev dimasa market yang masih gonjang ganjing seperti saat ini. mungkin juga mereka menahannya supaya harga tidak dump, setelah market agak normal baru mulai dibagikan karena dirasa sudah mempunyai pondasi yang kokoh
1307  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][PRE-ICO] Investasi Di Broker - Mengcopy Perdagangan Terpercaya Melalui API on: April 17, 2018, 02:25:03 PM
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tunggu informasi lanjut aja mengenai ini mungkin tim fokus untuk penjualan tahap seed ini akan berakhir tanggal 9 mei.

tahap penjualan seed dengan rate 1 eth = 10.000 INV ini adalah penawaran yg sangat baik karena harga akan lebih tinggi nantinya saat ICO
langkah-langkah untuk bergabung dalam program penjualan
https://medium.com/@investinbrokers/how-to-register-for-the-inv-token-sale-fd86cdcb78e4


Informasi yang bermanfaat gan ini akan mempermudah para investor untuk bergabung karena sudah disediakan panduan untuk inves. Proyek ini sendiri saya lihat cukup bagus berinvestasi di Broker melalui layanan API dan selama pra penjualan ada diskon 30%. Mudah-mudahan ico ini bisa sukses.
itu benar gan dengan adanya panduan ini para investor pemula akan sangat terbantu, saya yakin jumlah investor baru seiring waktu akan terus bertambah dan saya rasa developer project ini menyadari hal itu maka dari itu mereka memberikan panduan untuk berinvestasi
mungkin itu salah satu strategi dari dev yang mana menfasilitasi bagi para investor pemula untuk diberi kesempatan belajar investasi di proyek ini. kita tahu kadang bagi pemula pusing cara berinvestasi di ico, mungkin itu yang disadari oleh pihak dev
1308  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][PRE-ICO]PayPro-Pasar keuangan pertama yang benar-benar terdesentralisasi on: April 17, 2018, 02:20:14 PM
Sekarang investor cuma bisa percayakan semuanya kepada devnya. Bounty hunter dan investor harus banyak-banyak berdoa semoga ethnya bisa kembali. Atau gak  devnya bisa mencari investor baru yang mau menanamkan modalnya sehingga proyeknya tetap bisa berjalan meskipun dananya terbatas.
Kalau itu sepertinya susah gan pasti investor juga pilih jika mereka ingin berinvestasi apalagi melihat situasi proyek paypro saat ini. benar-benar tidak menguntungkan apalagi mau mencari investor lagi pasti itu akan sulit.
kecuali kalau dev mempunyai terobosan roadmap yang bagus, dan produknya dapat berjalan, saya kira akan banyak investor yang meliriknya tetapi kalau tidak ada gerakan yang berarti, investor juga enggan untuk mengucurkan dananya
1309  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN][SALE] BABB - Bank Account Based Blockchain - Presale Dec 2017 on: April 17, 2018, 02:16:20 PM
beruntung banget yang uda buy price 0.0003$ sekarang uda melonjak tinggi diatas harga ico yaitu 0.0012$ selamat yang masih hold anda panen raya. di idex juga volume nya tinggi banget buy order banyak ane yakin si ini mau up terus

Sebelum pihak pengembang BABB belum mendapatkan lisensi resmi dari lembaga keuangan inggris harga Token jalan di tempat, karna proyek ini penerapannya real world.
kalau sudah mendapatkan lisensinya bisa di bayangi rate akan naik 2x lipat dari rate sekarang, yang penting sebelum mendapatkan lisensi tetapi bertahan pada rate ICO
memang enaknya kalau kita berani nyetok token token potensial yang saat ini harganya sedang turun.sekalinya roadmap berjalan harga nya bisa kembali lagi dan bahkan lebih tinggi lagi.
akan lebih enak lagi apabila kita stock uang fiat gan, pasti banyak token yang akan didapat dari proyek2 potensial seperti babb ini. tinggal sabar dan akhirnya modal kita sudah berlipat ganda.
1310  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Centra - buy /sell or hold? on: April 17, 2018, 12:56:07 PM
Hi, I believe that it is better to sell this currency, because there is no perspective in their development and increase, a lot of people have long ago sold and received their money, so my opinion is that every kind of this coin should be sold immediately.
The best on centra for those who holds until now is to decide to sell right away. There are many issues on this coin better to sell to take profit. And invest in other coin which project is good. Yes a lot of people who invest in centra has felt disappointed on the way they develop this project.
once when i got my centra tokens immediately sell it, i remember that time first i got a reward from the signature campaign. just coincidentally after i sold that price is getting down until now
1311  Economy / Economics / Re: Would you still use bitcoins if the price would be stable? on: April 17, 2018, 12:52:02 PM
I would still use bitcoin under any circumstances, and Suppose the bitcoin price is stable for me, it's no problem and not a big deal for me. the most important when the price is stable but still profitable or at a high price and it is a good choice rather than bitcoin prices dropped drastically or no price at all
i will also keep using bitcoin even if the price is stable. hopefully then i already have a lot of capital so i can do scalping, because it is not possible the price will stagnate, but still up and down in the consolidation area
1312  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Market Will Going Up ? on: April 17, 2018, 12:48:11 PM
Dear all member
We are seeing the rise of the cryptocurrency market, the decline is over??  Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue
The price of crypto will always be like a roller coaster that can go up and down. I personally just believe, there will be an increase after falling. So until now I still hold what I have. Maybe now is the start for the market to soar again in the near future.
right, hopefully crypto market will rise in the near future, because during this time our energy is drained when the price drops drastically. and currently btc starts creeping up after failing to break the support area so that other altcoin also going up
1313  Economy / Economics / Re: Will BTC and large coins recover? on: April 17, 2018, 12:44:23 PM
For me, yes bitcoin and other large coins will recover because that is the nature of bitcoin and cryptocurrency price fluctuate too much. We all know that bitcoin’s value plummets to much if you compared it to its cost last December, but analyzing that price graph of bitcoin and another cryptocurrency you will notice that they have some patterns, decreasing amount at first quarter and increase its price in the last quarter. Just remember when you start earning bitcoin and another cryptocurrency its price rate is not stable, but you still make money.   Smiley
indeed when viewed from the characteristics of the market every year like that. but sometimes i think that bitcoin prices are influenced by the number of demand, so there must be a push for greater demand, for it needs a lot of positive news happen
1314  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The first earnings in the crypto currency. Where did you spend it on? on: April 17, 2018, 12:40:21 PM
Once i made profit last year from Ethereum and Ripple, i was holding the initial investment and withdrew the profit i made from them. It helped my financial situation ofcourse, i believe family comes first always and then the rest.
Off course by crypto currency the financial condition improves, by that how we use the earned money that is important. I used to invest back some part into crypto again and remaining for my wish like to buy gadgets, spent for family like this way I spent.
as well as i, first earned income from cryptocurrency, i focused on investing in bitcoin. and some i use to meet daily needs. i invest again because i am obsessed to buy a house. hopefully later my investment can be enough to buy a house
1315  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: April 17, 2018, 12:36:03 PM
Of course bitcoin. I think that the potential for its growth is still huge, much more than gold can give you. In addition, you get just so all of his forks, which this year was a lot.
because of we are bitcoiners, i think there are many who hold bitcoins. different from those who do not know in detail about btc, must be on choosing gold for investment tool
1316  Economy / Economics / Re: wait for bitcoin prices to go up on: April 17, 2018, 12:28:01 PM
If the negative and positive news come and go, we just have to wait and see what can happen, I hope that in any case the next possibilities will be able to inhabit the good investments again, we will see how the Asian countries take the sanctions.
this time started a lot of positive news circulating, for example soros who will invest funds into cryptocurrency, besides that the landed europe discusses use of blockchain to support everyday life. from there we have to wait for btc rise upwards
1317  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is it better to buy during ICO or Market? on: April 17, 2018, 12:23:22 PM
There is no one universal answer to this questions. The variables are way too much. Sometimes ICOs hit hard cap and open below ICO price (+discounts). It depends on whether you are buying with fresh fiat money or BTC/ETH. It depends whether it is a bull market or bear market.
at this time many ico which after listing in market below ico price, maybe also because of market condition less good. but if i am prefer investment after entering the market, because it does not wait too long time, besides that i am still learning to analyze
1318  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN BACK AS THAT WAS on: April 16, 2018, 04:57:47 PM
Yes, I believe that Bitcoin can grow back to former heights. Crypto-currencies gradually begin to move away from a prolonged fall and return to the saddle. I think that by the summer the situation will finally stabilize and bitcoin will take a fast course towards growth.
i think bitcoin must break previous highest, so from technical analisys bitcoin is on uptrend. and at this time started a lot of positive news about btc, so i have to keep patience waiting for that
1319  Economy / Economics / Re: What is the trend of Bitcoin prices? on: April 16, 2018, 04:45:01 PM
i think bitcoin can not break support in  $ 6000 area, because it is a strong support. so btc price starts to rise. besides that a lot of positive news about cryptos this also makes btc price of cryptos improved at this time
1320  Economy / Economics / Re: Digital Currency Recession on: April 16, 2018, 04:40:54 PM
It sounds harder to digest when you term it as a recession, but there's no certainty as to whether it's going to be a long-term correction or a short one out. It's certainly been 4 months since the sharp drop in vlaue, but we're recently noticing that the markets are picking up and there's an influx of investment. Mostly certainly we're also noticing a positive investment attitude from Goerge Soros and serval traders. Now, the important thing to note is, Bitcoin will not just survive just because it's popular, but also because it's doing a lot in the research avenue. We're seeing lightning network development move up the ladder and there's now more open arena for instant exchanges. If you had noticed the price of Ripple a month ago, it dropped from $3.55 to what it is today. Most of the crypto market was covered in blood, and Ripple certainly isn't doing any better either.
Soros expresses his interest in cryptocurrency, and this is right time when cryptocurrency weakens. we can see after a few months of bloody cryptos, it is now beginning to look green, and this is the awakening of cryptocurrency
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