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13021  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 18, 2019, 02:53:22 AM
Interesting to read a debunking of the 'in jail for fireworks' line:

I somehow don't believe his story of going to jail for 10 months for selling firecrackers on ebay.  I think there is something to the story he is leaving out.
Here's a transcript of the sentencing hearing, detailing exactly why he was sentenced to 10 months in jail, including the parts of the story he may have left out. Spoiler alert: pipe bombs aren't firecrackers.

I'm not so sure. I'm not going spelunking through the entire trial transcript. But from the sentencing, it appears that the term 'pipe bomb' appears only once. To wit:

"I think one factor that the Court can take into consideration or at least should consider is there were some pipe bombs involved in this case as well that were not charged and are not incorporated in the conduct that's before the Court..."
(emphasis added)

To me, this looks as if the matter of any pipe bombs were never even discussed in trial -- evidence entered, testimony revealing, etc -- and that the prosecution was allowed to get a sideswipe freebie in unchallenged.

Of course, 'pipe bomb' is a pretty specific term of art. I'd be curious to know what the legal definition of such was -- if indeed any evidence referring to such was ever entered into trial. But it apparently was not.

Until someone points me at anything within the trial transcript itself indicating evidence of dealing in pipe bombs, I'm inclined to accept Roger at his word.

As a sidebar, I find it kind of funny how this here crypto community is absorbed by long-past actions of various parties that have absolutely nothing to do with any crypto topic whatsoever.

Roger's character and integrity does come into question, in part because the frequently emotional dumbass takes matters personal and makes matters personal.  Therefore, his history is relevant and likely sheds some light  on his character and integrity.

On the other hand, it is possible that Roger was more sane in his youth and has become more pickled in his older age.  Cannot turn a pickle back into a cucumber, for whatever that is worth?
13022  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 09:43:06 PM
Oh look, even after a decade, millions of people are still convinced that Bitcoin is a fly-by-night scam.... even though a single bitcoin is now worth more a good used car.

When 1 BTC = middle class house?  SoontmGrin

Soonishtm

Talk timeline boys..... Mic can't follow with soon and soonish.... Tongue

Can't you assign your "team"tm to crowd sourcing (even within the team) the clarification of the confusion situation?    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
13023  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 09:35:29 PM
Oh look, even after a decade, millions billions of people are still convinced that Bitcoin is a fly-by-night scam.... even though a single bitcoin is now worth more a good used car.

When 1 BTC = middle class house?  Soontm.  Grin


FTFY

The next 5 years will be taken up with people discussing different aspects of lightning network.
 Roll Eyes  Lips sealed

Then they should open a WO LN thread, here we talk about Bitcoin.tm Cheesy


FTFY

What the fuck?

I gotta spend time fixing peeps all day long?
13024  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 09:25:06 PM
Whats this crap about alts on the green and btc being tiny red?

Anon prediction about BTC dominance at 40-46%? He never said when.. but but...


My theory about this is that when the mainstream coins like Libra hit the market, they will bring the Bitcoin dominance down because they will be pumped/inflated. Im sure next year we will see Google, Apple, Amazon, etc all jump in. Bitcoins dominance will have to compete with those coins to which would likely bring the dominance down.

P.S. this guy is going to become an absolute god if we hit $16,000 next month.....

-He called the bottom (A lot of people thought we were going much lower when he posted it)
-He called the exact length of the accumulation phase (Said it would end in March and start in April)
-He called the April boom we saw in the first week
-He called the correct price in April
-He called the correct price in July (Bitcoin almost made it out of July without touching $9200, turns out $9100 was the bottom; we haven't gone lower since)

So October will be interesting, this is a legendary posts regardless, the amount of things he has gotten correct already is remarkable.

Likely a lot of luck in there.

None of us should get sucked into the trap of deifying posters into sorcerers. 

Remember how revered Vinnie Lingham was in 2015/16 and how he squandered such reputation in early 2017? - but probably only after a decent number of folks got R3ckt  by selling because they actually relied on his bullshit early 2017 propositions that bitcoin was going below $500.
13025  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 09:18:41 PM
Roger is on, go get your popcorns.  Grin

lol Roger... what an enigma. I'd love to know where he went so wrong. I actually think he has had some sort of mental break

He definitely cares about that red stuff. He went nuts when Carvalho said "bcash" too. He definitely cares about these. Go and break him.  Grin

That would be the scene to watch.

Well that was fun. Think he's logged off, physically and mentally. He'll be back in another 3-6 months to show how little he's changed.

You are likely correct, nutildah.  Roger does not come around in order to actual interact.  He wants to pump out his various dumbass talking points and then disappear back to the slums from which he had come.
13026  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 09:15:37 PM



It's not very easy to fix a broken parabola.

This will be painful to watch. Looks like %55 may be next. I'll try to increase my ALT* exposure to %2 and will cash out to BTC if it ever reaches %10. Sounds like a decent plan.

*By "ALT"s I mean LTC, XMR, Grin, Doge (maybe), Raven. Not absolute shits like ETH, Ripple, Bcash etc.

Yeah.. .let's get in the game of comparing the relative shit-worthiness of shitcoins.  That sounds like a great topic for this thread.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

In my thinking the mere fact that you are trying to make more bitcoin from shitcoins does not cause the topic of shitcoins to become relevant to this thread.
13027  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 06:26:01 PM
Anyhow, I had done a decent amount of accumulating of BTC in 2014 and brought my average BTC price down from $1k to below $400, and I also made some mistakes including getting hacked through sim porting, which moved my average price per BTC up to $750-ish.  I have also lost some BTC on exchanges such as WEX (used to be BTC-E), so I consider those to be risks of the practice and probably, I should have taken more value off of that exchange while the getting was good.... but these days, I probably would consider my average cost per BTC to be somewhere above $750 but still in the three digits.

+WO merit since I'm out of the regular, thanks for sharing your story. I had a coworker that introduced me to it maybe in 2014 or so but I didn't understand the draw, at the time it seemed overly complicated for no benefit and I wasn't looking at it as an investment vehicle just as an interesting technology. Mid 2017 I got in, shortly before the big run and that made me think I'm a genius rather than just lucky and I evangelized to my family and friends. Some of my family bought in then of course at the high. They are still holding though they haven't added to their positions, whereas I've been faithfully DCA'ing ever since. My amounts and entry point mean I probably won't become personally life-changing wealthy but I'm hopeful it will accent my retirement and provide some easing through life's ups and downs for my kid. I tend to look at it as an inter generational wealth opportunity. Though I'm a confirmed hodler I have several dream benchmark levels to encourage myself...
1. mortgage payoff
2. retirement at 80% of current lifestyle level
3. retirement at 120% of current lifestyle level
4. kid's entire college tuition
5. kid's entire college tuition at a top tier school through grad school
6. retirement at 120% level before I hit actual retirement age
7. medical emergency care fund equivalent to 2x mortgage payoff
8. being able to do the same for my family
9. own first hotel on the lunar surface

I really like your customized tiering of goals that seems to recognize that you are investing in possibilities that may or may not be achieved, and actually it might not even hurt to have lower level goals too, in terms of accumulation levels, etc etc etc.

I am not asserting that you don't have lower level goals, as well, but just mentioning that for other readers here who might benefit from considering ways to create lower level goals that can also help to show them, on a personal level, that they are making progress in their preferred direction.  For the most part, wealth does not come all at once, but it comes gradually, and maybe even at some point, if you are preparing and preparing and preparing, you may end up in a position in which you actually get lucky and generate a whole hell of a lot more wealth (and more quickly) than you had expected (which is kind of what happened with me, in bitcoin).

So, yeah, I recognize also, and probably you do too, that maybe you will not achieve the differing level goals, but it is good to have them, including relatively high ones, and also to, perhaps, tweak them along the way to make higher goals and/or goals that fall between ones that you had established earlier.
13028  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 17, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
If it isn't A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System it isn't Bitcoin. - Roger Ver
What's your point? May be you can define cash and currency.

My point is that BTC is no longer Bitcoin.

Will you change the domain name and the Bitcoin branding too?

No.  I bought the domain name fair and square and will use it to promote "A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System", BTC isn't that.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, Roger, that you have not sold this account or the account has not been taken over by someone else, so in that regard, I understand that you have been around these parts quite longer than me, and even that you have been in bitcoin and promoting it longer than me, even though you got all pissy in around 2014 or 2015 or so when you could not get along with core developers and you began to both take matters too fucking personal and you started to assert that you deserved some kind of bigger voice and respect than you really did deserve.  So who knows what the fuck was going on with you - if you were always broken or if you became broken (and then more broken with the passage of time). 

Your situation is NOT really that much different from Vitalik or other whiners who felt that they could not get their way with bitcoin and then went into attack mode.  Sure, you are one of the famous disgruntled fucks, and you seem smart enough to be able to figure out ways to protect yourself (at least financially), even though you are likely pissing away a whole lot of value in your pursuits to attack bitcoin - and probably at the same time attempting to profit (or at least not lose value) and to maintain your psychological soundness (to the extent that is even possible anymore, because you do seem like you are morphing more and more into a BIGGER nutjob with the passage of time.

I understand, Roger, that you have a lot of people here bashing on you, and I really don't like to devolve into personal attacks, unless either I have been attacked personally, or maybe the person on the other side has really devolved into such personal peacocking or made these kinds of topics about them.  You surely have become guilty of this second part over the years, and you seem to have little to no couth when it comes to a devolving morality while rationalizing away regarding your behavior(s).   

Probably, the best that any of us can hope is that you do not mislead, deceive or damage too many innocent folks along the way.  Surely, there are some of your followers who deserve to be hurt because of either their greed, dumbness, vindictiveness and lack of refinement.   Some folks will learn along the way, yet like I mentioned, I remain concerned, moreso, about the innocent ones that you are luring into your nonsensical "baby saving" propaganda.
13029  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 03:15:46 PM
Bluebutts also seems to have a case of tarditus thinking JJG needs for Bitcoin to get to 100k to make money, the guy has been hodling good stash since 2014, pretty sure he is already set up well for life by the grace of our Lord and Savior King Bitcoin.

Of course, we have to take nearly everyone's assertions regarding their BTC stash or their profitability with a grain of salt; however, I would dare you to find meaningful inconsistencies in my representation of my BTC stash or my profits or even my trading practices which have remained pretty damned consistent even while tweaked and based largely on a BTC HODLing approach.


Anyhow, I had done a decent amount of accumulating of BTC in 2014 and brought my average BTC price down from $1k to below $400, and I also made some mistakes including getting hacked through sim porting, which moved my average price per BTC up to $750-ish.  I have also lost some BTC on exchanges such as WEX (used to be BTC-E), so I consider those to be risks of the practice and probably, I should have taken more value off of that exchange while the getting was good.... but these days, I probably would consider my average cost per BTC to be somewhere above $750 but still in the three digits.

Chances are pretty decent that many of us who have largely engaged in HODLing and accumulating BTC have done quite well for ourselves, even if we may have made some mistakes along the way.   

In my particular case, I was already pretty well off before I got into bitcoin, so the portion that I invested in Bitcoin was considered extra money on the side that I wanted to attempt to at minimum average the same as my other investments which had historically returned about 5.5% annually through the UPs and downs, even though I was also o.k. if BTC returned less than my historical investments because I was taking a chance on something that I considered to be new, interesting and a hedge (in case shit hit the fan, kind of a gold substitute). 

It took a bit more than 2 years of investing into BTC (between late 2013 and early 2016) before I really started to feel that my BTC investment was largely holding its own.  It was not quite to 5.5% profitable or better, but it was largely retaining its value in terms of how I had begun to play around with my investment (that is keeping some of my portfolio in dollars and some in BTC by selling on the way up and buying on the way down).  It took more than 3 years of my investing in BTC before I started to feel quite profitable, and hey I had some decently pie in the sky bullish scenarios that would make me quite happy with BTC prices in the $3k to $5k range, and so that was a kind of BTC has made me rich range - so currently I would assert that I am about 2-3x beyond my most bullish (while conservative) expectations.

So really any more BTC price appreciation makes me more rich, but even going down to $3-$5k, I am still rich.  So, I continue to feel decently confident in what seems to be the downside possibilities of BTC and the fact that I am doing quite well with my BTC investment, even at today's prices and even if BTC prices fall down to $5k.  On the other hand, I believe it is more than reasonable that BTC prices are going to continue to go up from here and a lot of us HODLers and accumulators are just going to continue to become more and more rich.

I doubt that anyone who rummages through my old post is going to find any meaningful or material inconsistencies from the rendition that I provided above, and sure sometimes the way that I phrase my situation my change through time, but it seems to me that anyone who provides too many details is just playing too much with fire, in terms of OPsec.  Accordingly, I believe that I have been more than generous with my details because I continue to come here to attempt to brainstorm with members about various BTC strategies and tactics, and for you fucking trolls and shills, out there, who fail/refuse to provide any of your personal details, then it is mostly difficult to take you seriously about any of your theoretical pie in the sky perspective... or even no coiner perspective regarding the supposed "future of BTC" blah blah blah.
13030  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 02:42:27 PM
This is getting boring.

Only a couple weeks to Q4 and still over $10K though. The only thing I would not expect at all is the price to keep sideways for too much longer.

Anyway... this is (still) fine.

Fine does not equal boring


and


Boring does not equal fine




Not in bitcoinlandia.


Get a grip, or I am sending batman out.    Tongue Tongue Tongue      Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

There was no claim of a necessary relationship between the two. Just that the two occurred at the same time.
For someone so fond of writing you're quite shit at reading.

On a different note. Nice to see you're working on that brevity thing. Could still cull some dead space though.


Don't you have some BIG blocks to promote somewhere else, fatty?   Or you want to pleasure us with your BIG block worshiping, even though in these parts, we don't give any shits about your various bitcoin attack vector predilections and wishing for onchain scaling or whatever other nonsensical talking points might be your current whining hobby in thinking that there is something wrong with bitcoin.

There you go! Reasonably short without all that dead space. Well done!

Big blocks? Yah, what can I say. Follies of youth I guess. Sure good there was nothing to worry about.

https://cryptobriefing.com/ln-nodes-lightning-network/


I suppose that it is good if you are progressing towards coming around, but I see that since you are exaggerating lack of progress with lightning network as some kind of thing that you should spend time "worrying about," you are still inclined towards hissy fits and whining over matters that are "in progress"

I suppose that bitcoin is the worst decentralized project out there, except for all of the rest. hahahahaha... Anyhow, there might be some hope for you, if you at least recognize that your BIG block nonsense has some follies,  even though you seem to be admitting such "follies" with a bit too much reservation and a bit too much "wanting to be kind of right"
13031  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 07:13:43 AM
cheating going on
LFC comment was 500001th



All of you playing this silly ass game are so Dumb!

Real Dumb!

For sure.








Maybe even retarded, if I dare say so?

Don’t be mad cause you where not invited Tongue

Goodmorning Coiners Cheesy

Oh gawd!!!!  Now you are trying to suggest that you have some kind of invite situation going on?  Might really need to get batman to come out this time for a bit of a reality check... . AmiNOTrite?
13032  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 07:04:31 AM
JJG always struck me as a perfect match for the standard 'voice' of BCT:

-Weak/Broken English
-Inability to control emotions

My guess has always been:

-Lower status younger Southern/Eastern European
-Missed out on BTC early days
-Sees no way out besides a belief in BTC hitting 100k+

Read the first 100 threads in speculation and it's as though they are all authored by the same poster.


You have not been around for very long, bluebits, but somehow you seem to know so much.  Go figure.  Anyhow, newbie bluebits, you seem to be merely stabbing in the dark, making up shit, and hoping that you land on something that resonates.

In other words, you hardly have a clue about the subject in which you speculate.

Are you going to short BTC here, you dumb fuck?  Are you prepared for both up and down, or are you merely betting on down?  

Surely, your bragging about how smart you are is going to help gain some credibility, too.  Good luck.  You are likely going to need it when you come out of the gate like that.
13033  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 06:07:00 AM
This is getting boring.

Only a couple weeks to Q4 and still over $10K though. The only thing I would not expect at all is the price to keep sideways for too much longer.

Anyway... this is (still) fine.

Fine does not equal boring


and


Boring does not equal fine




Not in bitcoinlandia.


Get a grip, or I am sending batman out.    Tongue Tongue Tongue      Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

There was no claim of a necessary relationship between the two. Just that the two occurred at the same time.
For someone so fond of writing you're quite shit at reading.

On a different note. Nice to see you're working on that brevity thing. Could still cull some dead space though.


Don't you have some BIG blocks to promote somewhere else, fatty?   Or you want to pleasure us with your BIG block worshiping, even though in these parts, we don't give any shits about your various bitcoin attack vector predilections and wishing for onchain scaling or whatever other nonsensical talking points might be your current whining hobby in thinking that there is something wrong with bitcoin.
13034  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 06:02:17 AM
*forgot a prediction*

2017 JJG will hodl and have 1/5 the coins he could have had if he listened

Surely you are a retard with your "what if" bullshit.  Trying to coax people to play around with their coins in a kind of unnecessary gambling way.

I have made a whole fucking lot of money with bitcoin, without any need to gamble.  Go figure.  Others have done so, as well, with a HOLD and accumulating strategy.
13035  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 05:18:10 AM
This is getting boring.

Only a couple weeks to Q4 and still over $10K though. The only thing I would not expect at all is the price to keep sideways for too much longer.

Anyway... this is (still) fine.

Fine does not equal boring


and


Boring does not equal fine




Not in bitcoinlandia.


Get a grip, or I am sending batman out.    Tongue Tongue Tongue      Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
13036  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 05:16:02 AM
Correct Tera calls:

2013 Pump and top
2013 Crash and bull trap to 700
2013 Bleed out

Predicted wave to 20k back in 2013

Said that new US exchanges would fuel a new run before the 2017 parabola started

2017 Called multiple crashes as temporary corrections
2017 Called for longs on Bcash (before its wild pump, sold at .5 like me)
2017 Picked the ETH ratio bottom
2017 Played Doge coin perfect
2017 Called the top within a few % (sold at 18.8k)

Called the bounce to 17k as the worst time to buy, last chance suckers entry
Predicted a fall to 5-8k followed by a 100% bounce to 12k
Followed by a new fall to 5.5 and then a bounce to 10
Called for a supercycle low of probably 3k


The only area he was unsure about was the longer term: if a supercycle 4.0 would hit and push it to a new ATH. I am calling bubble 4.0 as topped out at 14k and a new bear market has now begun. Long term the odds have dramatically increased for 20k to remain as the forever ATH.

Who fucking gives a ratt's ass about supposed calls from two years ago... You hoping she comes back to tell us something that we don't already know, as she knows about the future?  Get fucking real.  There is no need to be praising such.   If you have your own predictions, observations or stories, then tell them, we don't need another person telling us what shelby says, because we doesn't care none.
13037  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 05:12:52 AM
TERA got a lot right, and was shamefully treated for it.

Word. I wasn't the hardest hitting guy, yet still regret doing it.

No regrets here.  She  deserved every bit, if not more, of any bashing that she received.    That's how dee interwebs work.   Cool

I don’t think she was that much of a messiah. She basically just correctly called that we’d have a big correction when it was going parabolic. That’s what’s happened every time with bitcoin during each cycle. It’s not hard to presume it’ll go down eventually once it begins to look unsustainable.

If I remember correctly she called a $5,000 - $6,000 bottom which when you look at %’s was miles off because we went to low $3,000’s.


Yeah, and she also started calling blow off top from $3k and upwards, so yeah, sooner or later she was going to be 100% correct. 

It should be a bit difficult to be impressed by such braggarts, but seems that guys (and maybe even a gal or two) just love wannabe sorcerers who use charts.
13038  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 04:05:28 AM
TERA got a lot right, and was shamefully treated for it.

Word. I wasn't the hardest hitting guy, yet still regret doing it.

No regrets here.  She  deserved every bit, if not more, of any bashing that she received.    That's how dee interwebs work.   Cool
13039  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 03:59:18 AM
4 is round.  Roll Eyes
4 is not round. 4 has a dick face.

If 4 is not round, at least it is nice.... getting back to the original quote from nutildah asserting that 5 is rounder and nicer than 4.  I have issues with that conclusory assertion:

>>>>> Upping the prize to 5 Merits just because its a nice round number<<<<<<<

In other words, nutildah intentionally and purposefully giving 4 a bum rap.... resulting in favoritism to his lil butt buddy, 5.   Angry Angry
13040  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 17, 2019, 03:02:04 AM
cheating going on
LFC comment was 500001th



All of you playing this silly ass game are so Dumb!

Real Dumb!

For sure.







Maybe even retarded, if I dare say so?
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