better yet offer them here at bargain rates

a 1080ti for 300usd.

payable in btc. and  sold here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=75.0

is like selling  one for 380 on eBay as the fees hurt your sale price

I can help you with escrow. If you sell them here.



pm me

Well we are still guessing  a bit on prices and hash rates.
I put my name on this list for all models the 3070 the 3080,  3090.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3090/

even here in the usa  🇺🇸 the 3090 is  1500 in  NJ , USA  plus NJ tax of 7% so I would pay

1605 Usd.  I can get four rx 5700 xt for that with maybe 50 usd change. i.e.

200mh for 1605-50 = 1555

I can get six 5600 for 6 x 277= 1662 and get 60 in rebates or 1602 cost for 240mh

so 3090 maybe 150mh for 1605
5700 maybe 200mh for 1555
5600 maybe 240mh for 1602.

Even if the 3090 does 150mh it will need 220-230 watts to do it.
And it simply is not a lot better than amd 5700xt for eth mining.

If a 5700 xt does 50-52 mh at 125-130 at the wall
and the 3090 does 150 mh at. 230 at the wall

it simply does not have a huge edge.  also I don't think it will do 150  at 230 watts.

more like 130 at 230 watts.  but I  consider buying one as soon as possible just to benchmark on my threadripper.

We are going to brush past  14000 in under a month.


This is my gpu daily earning rate. As long as it is over 40 it means btc is underpriced compared to eth.

Every time I post here for the next 30 days I will drag that info from my nicehash account to this thread.

As long as it is higher then 40 (more complex then that but good enough for now)  it means there is extra demand for BTC from nicehash mining.

yeah but to be fair the poster may have different settings on his monitor and the watermark could be clearly visible to him.

Now as a I don't know the guy and don't care one way or the other about him I can see the watermark on my screen.

PS I am colorblind and I have had double cataract surgery so if I can see it its clear enough. I see no issue with what he did.

one 4 card rig vs three 4 card rigs.  and I forgot to mention if you use simple mining it is 2 bucks a month for your rig and 6 for my 3 rigs

so that is 4 x 12 = 48 a year in savings.

Yeah a lot depends on how many rigs you want to do.

But 1390 price difference means it is not a killer of the 5700xt.

both cases you get 600mhs

one case is 1 four card rig at 1000-1100 watts at  cost of 6200-6300 usd
one case is 3 four card rigs at 500-550 watts each total of around 1650 watts. at a cost of 4800-4900 usd

If rig density is an issue you may want the 3090.

If cards keep turning a profit  the 3090 is pretty good.
If it all crashes you still have resale on the 3090

But my point is to argue that the 3090 crushes the 5700xt is simply not the case.

Like I said I may buy 2 of them for my thread rippers.

If it does 150 at 180 watts and only costs 1000 it is a good card. Really good.


But if it does 150 at 230 watts  and costs 1500 it is less good.


Here is usa price 1499
get notified for purchase of it.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3090/


Now a 5700 can be found for 350 it will do 52

so 3 will do 156 at 375watts at wall for 1050

and this may do 150 at 230 watts at wall for 1499

a 449usd in the hole for a little less hash.  Say hash is equal to the 3

then you are  saving 145 watts an hour or 3.5 k-watts a day

that is:

10.5 cents a day at 3 cent power or   4761 days
21.0 cents a day at 6 cent power or   2380 days
31.5 cents a day at  9 cent power or  1587 days
42.0 cents a day at 12 cent power or 1190 days
52.5 cents a day at 15 cent power or   952 days


now granted it may take 1  or 1.45 slot space. vs 3 slot space.  But with these boards below.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/biostar-TB250-BTC-D-Pro-Motherboard-Mining-w-CPU-RAM/124292825096?

running 4 of these 3090 vs   12 5700 xt.     same hash rate


   so 155 vs 465  add a decent cooler 175 vs 525 and 1 apw3+ vs 3 apw3+ is 30 vs 90

so 205 to setup 4x 3090
or 615 to setup 12 5700 xt

both do 600mh

the 3090 is   6000+205 = 6205. uses about 1000-1100 watts
the 5700xt is 4200+615 = 4815 uses about 1500-1600 watts

so maybe you save 12 kwatts a day

3 cent power =  36 cents.  daily.  3861 days
6 cent  power =  72 cents. daily.  1930 days
9 cent power = 1.08 usd.   daily.  1287 days
12 cent power = 1.44 usd  daily.    965 days
15 cent power = 1.80  usd daily.   772 days

1390 more  to set up

So you can see it is not a big deal if it does 150 at 230 watts

Heck to be a big deal at 1400 price it needs to do 150 at less then 150 watts

cause you would then save 20 kwatts a day  if it did 150 watts a card vs 230

or

3 cent = 60 cents. or 2316 days
6 cent = 1.20.      or 1158
9 cent = 1.80.     or.   772
12 cent = 2.40.   or    579 days
15 cent = 3.00   or.    463 days

so even if it does 150 mh at 150 watts the price of 1499 makes it not the best mining card.

I would buy 1 or 2 of them and use with my thread rippers.

the s9 is okay for bch or bsv

but the l3+ does ltc and doge merged mined at viabtc.com

it is fairly quiet and has a lot of control to let set your hash rate and sound levels.

i have
 15 l3+ sitting in boxes
8 s9s sitting in boxes.

While you may want that to be true right here right now as I type the evidence shows it to be not yet.  When and if it goes up up and away in 2021 to 50-100k and in 2022 to 250k you would be correct.   But then again I am just a guy typing on a keyboard in NJ, USA.

 Not an insider or a big BTC owner. I dabble at it all. More of a very small business for me than anything else.

Charts will always be an incomplete predictive method for btc. As is my diff prediction and eth to btc mining ratios are incomplete.

combining both is helpful but are still incomplete predictive methods even when used together.

It is a tough call I certainly could be wrong.  But here goes nothing.

If I say my exchange has 100,000 btc on hand in real deposits it can allow for a shit ton of trading.

If a shit ton of trading is done with non existent  coins  the supply is falsely boosted.  If supply is 50,000 not 100,000.  Trading is easily 2x what it should be doing.  Since it is easy to do it creates the illusion that demand is easy to meet.

If all of the above is 'true' and exchanges are far short of what they say they have. The traders of the world are buy-ing easy coins due to falsely reported supply.

Since I have zero idea how true all of the above is in terms of true supply really on hand I am merely guessing that it is falsely reported at 2x or 3x the true circulating number of 6.5 mill.  Based on earlier post I did showing that 11 million coins have stayed in place over 1 year in a row.

It is not so much that charts are not good. They are incomplete.

It is not so much that my difficulty analysis along with gpu shit coin profit to asic btc profit is good or bad . It is in complete.

Using both are incomplete.  A major reason is any and all cryptocoins are still small market cap.

btc is 10400  x 18.5 mill in the grand scheme of wealth it is very small piece of wealth.

So price manipulation is easy to do.

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I also suspect that like banks 🏦 most exchanges do not have all the wealth on hand.

Ie an exchange run 🏃‍♀️ on btc is just as easy to occur as a bank run on fiat.

This is a completely different issue but it is a real and true price drag on btc.

Still I am bullish for now and will be bullish both long and short term.

A) thanks for post back
B) I am enjoying my eth to btc mining a lot.
C) The internet does cause a lot of misunderstandings. You meaning me write something with a thought in mind. Read what you wrote and say cool.  Then some read it and interprets it in a completely different way then the composer intended it to be understood.
D) I am guilty of writing free flow James Joyce style so occasionally I look at whaT I wrote and say WTF DID I MEAN.

since it is not about profit you could send it in.  or check on thierry4wd to use his firmware for it.

see below
I have the same issue with my 63th t17+. middle board drops out.

I now run it with stock  freq but 17.65 volts vs 18.28 that stock firmware uses.

yeah. it gets around 62th not 63th but the 3 boards work.

It started in feb as both the market and btc crashed hard.

It is fairly true for 2020.

Far less true prior to 2020.

Most  likely will not be true in 2021 or 2022.

Part of the reason if was not true prior to 2020 was it was too novel and too small. But this year a lot of  market money has bounced into btc as markets are besides theirselves with fears of a big crash.

It is still too small a cap under 300 bill not to delink from the market.

The real question is not if they are linked at the moment but when does btc pass the market and leave it behind.

Interesting argument.  

Lets look at it closer.  There are at least 4,000,000 coins that sit still

this shows 3.84 mill
https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2019/07/bitcoins-untouched-supply-reaches-all-time-high/

and far more amazing


https://news.bitcoin.com/close-to-11-million-btc-havent-moved-in-over-a-year/

this show 11 million untouched for a year.

lets play with 11

18.5 mined
11.0 frozen
  6.5 liquid

and 2.5 to be mined

my argument is that the 2.5 mill left  are costing 6000 watts a day to mine  0.000169 coins.  or around $17.60 plus about 4600 to get the setup

eth has ? left are costing 2100 watts a day to mine around    0.066 eth                                or  around         $24.06 plus about 4600 to get the setup up.

so purchase price is far lower to earn eth which in my case I autovert to btc.

So my point is mining btc via eth is better then mining btc straight across.

These are indicators of a lopsided ratio that favors mining eth to convert to btc.

I can "buy" $24.06 in eth convert to btc and get btc at a discounted price.

Now last week the ratio was stupid high.

about $72.00 in eth convert to btc and get bc at a discount price.

these ratio's are my indicators of future price.

Now if I were Proudhon I would say eth will drop even more and it will level out.

personally I see the opposite I see btc price goin higher so that mining btc direct is better then mining eth and autoverting to btc.

Both of us agree that the scarcity of BTC is driving its value. hodl hodl hodl 11 million hodl for a year straight = great.

I personally think btc will rise about 24/17 x 10200 = 14400 can happen over night so to speak. More so then eth dropping 17/24  x 369 = 261 usd.

Now my gut tells me the BTC mining value will move hard on an upward level and I see 14,400 by sept 30.

Both of us like btc as the key coin. Both of us  like that it is scarce.

I don't use chart analysis like most do here.

I use difficulty and mining profit ratios to determine my future numbers.

I see eth staying at 369 or more and this will cause btc to go up in price.

Farmers will create more demand for btc by doing what I do. Mine eth and auto vert to BTC.

So I see a strong movement here.


Nvidia's new cards are in demand and they will try to pump eth for sales.

That in turn gets more eth miners and since many are exactly like me BTC believers that auto vert to btc.

In fact here is a major pool


https://www.viabtc.com/pool/state

and they now are expanding auto conversion of some coins  to btc.

Many pools auto vert eth and all other shit coins to btc this all  increases demand for btc.

Ie If I mine 2000 usd  day in eth I buy 2000 usd in btc. = higher demand for a scarce coin.

look at my demand for btc below all autovert mining eth to btc
weds 9th —- 0.0326 btc
weds 2nd - - 0.0279 btc
weds 25th -  0.0201 btc
weds 18th - 0.0202. btc
weds 11th - 0.0110. btc

i am not the biggest gpu miner,but there are lots of us.

Look at my demand increase from 0.0110 btc a week to 0.0326 btc a week

now picture 100 like me you move demand from

1.10 btc a week to 3.26 btc a week

now picture 1000 like me you move demand from 11 btc a week to 32.6 btc a week

now picture 10000 like me you move demand from 110 btc a week to 326 btc a week

remember this btc are not mined so they are purchased from the newly mined btc or circulating coins.

at a certain point enough higher priced  eth changing into   btc like i do will drag btc price up.

nicehash mines 33 btc a day with eth

last week it was 11 btc a day with eth

this is a 22 coin a day increase in demand  for btc.

some msi cards are nuts about the fan speed.

 but try the options

 Memory UV (MVDD):  1275,1275,1275,1275

Memory UV (MVDDCI):  775,775,775,775


or

Memory UV (MVDD) 1300,1300,1300,1300

Memory UV (MVDDCI) 800,800,800,800


stock is

1350
850

and may make the memory hot

which will speed the fans


I have gone as low as

1250
  750

but usually

1300
  800

is the one that works best.

Yep and the real key is gpu/shit coin mining.

here is some cost analysis for a miner.

15 x 270.00 =   4050 this gets you 15x amd 5600 msi gpus.
3 x 175.00   =     525 this gets you 3 motherboards land and ready for the cards.
3 x  33.33    =     100 this gets you 3 psu's used s9 psu's are good the apw3+

total cost =   4675 usd. you burn 2100 watts it earns 24.00 usd not counting the power cost of 2100 watts


4800 gets you 2 s19 pros you burn 6000 watts.  it earns 17.38  not counting the power cost of 6000 watts

huge disparity in favor of gpu mining.

last time this happened was 2016 and 2017.  so are we in a good loop. these numbers led a huge rally in btc.

They are power hungry almost 220 watts to do 100-115mh

my amd 5600 take 85 watts to do 40mh

so I can get 3x 5600 for 270 = 810

and it is mining as I type

https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-5600-xt-rx-5600-xt-gaming-mx/p/N82E16814137571?Item=N82E16814137571



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