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1321  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 08, 2016, 04:33:01 PM
I thank the team for their good work by sifting multi-accounts in the Twitter campaign. I am very surprised that you were able to make qualified. I hope your work will become an example for other start-ups!
+1 for that
1322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 08, 2016, 12:17:03 PM
Why is Iconomi asking me for verification although I invested with Bitcoins Huh :

ICONOMI requires additional user information to meet the Know your customer (KYC) and Anti Money Laundering (AML) policies.
After successful identification verification, you will be able to access your ICN tokens.
This verification option is for all but not mandatory for all to verify their identity.This KYC verification for those who invested fiat through bank transfer.Just leave it if you didn't invest any fiat money.
thanx


The way it's written seems pretty mandatory.

Maybe you should check in from within your ICO account itself.....

ICONOMI should clarify this issue ASAP

ICONOMI have clarified that at least 10000000 times. It doesn't matter how many times they will clarify it - you will still need to actually read it once.
Deposits for FIAT above 1000 dollar or 1000 euro are required to provide user verification (KYC). Everything else - NOT. Under everything else you have: deposits less than 1000euro/dollar, deposits with crypto

kapish?

Hey asshole.

Why don't you log on to your ICO account and then click on verification........

Then you can fucking talk....

KAPISH?

why you go so personal? I didn't call you stupid..
In my account there is nothing like that because I invested with BTC. If that is the case with you (ICO login, right? Not https://www.iconomi.net), don't you think it is a better option to ping the team on telegram or send them a support request instead of btt page? There are like ~20 pages per day with the same questions - bounties, no bounties. When bounties, when tokens

Well Mr Know It All,

I also invested with BTC ONLY and I have this verification crap.

If you could be fucked to read what I wrote, you would also click the verification tab within your account and you will see the same thing for your account.

Genius....

 Roll Eyes

Well, I don't have that. I have 2FA enabled from the very beginning. I just need to check the 'I agree and understand' checkbox and then to provide eth address
If it is different for you contact Iconomi team directly on telegram..
Sorry for the kapish, this thread is full with the same questions over and over again
peace?
1323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 08, 2016, 11:54:12 AM
Can we use myetherwallet address to get the tokens? Eth local wallet needs download so fucking big blockchain, it costs too mu time, I want to withdraw to myetherwallet, is it OK?

yes you can used myetherwallet address to get your tokens.
https://medium.com/iconominet/how-to-receive-icn-tokens-in-your-own-ethereum-wallet-72d6bee01b9d

is it available for android mobile device? I am sorry if this is a stupid question

No. it is not available for android.
you can used myetherwallet for online wallet.
Are you sure myetherwallet is okay for ICN withdraw?There was nothing specific about myetherwallet in ICONOMI official blog post.
Just keep in mind that you actually generate your private key ONLINE. I wouldn't do that, unless you have small amount of tokens and you plan on selling them right away. In any other case, I wold go for something more solid

yes, I am sure. if you do not want to download eth wallet
it is a good option to get eth address to withdraw your tokens.
1324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 08, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
Why is Iconomi asking me for verification although I invested with Bitcoins Huh :

ICONOMI requires additional user information to meet the Know your customer (KYC) and Anti Money Laundering (AML) policies.
After successful identification verification, you will be able to access your ICN tokens.
This verification option is for all but not mandatory for all to verify their identity.This KYC verification for those who invested fiat through bank transfer.Just leave it if you didn't invest any fiat money.
thanx


The way it's written seems pretty mandatory.

Maybe you should check in from within your ICO account itself.....

ICONOMI should clarify this issue ASAP

ICONOMI have clarified that at least 10000000 times. It doesn't matter how many times they will clarify it - you will still need to actually read it once.
Deposits for FIAT above 1000 dollar or 1000 euro are required to provide user verification (KYC). Everything else - NOT. Under everything else you have: deposits less than 1000euro/dollar, deposits with crypto

kapish?

Hey asshole.

Why don't you log on to your ICO account and then click on verification........

Then you can fucking talk....

KAPISH?

why you go so personal? I didn't call you stupid..
In my account there is nothing like that because I invested with BTC. If that is the case with you (ICO login, right? Not https://www.iconomi.net), don't you think it is a better option to ping the team on telegram or send them a support request instead of btt page? There are like ~20 pages per day with the same questions - bounties, no bounties. When bounties, when tokens
1325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 08, 2016, 11:21:30 AM
I followed Iconomi from begin, and start ReTweet from 18  August , and i not RT what Iconomi ask . but why my twitter dissapear from web bounty, sign camp , facebook and newsletter still zero .
Im not understand what Iconomi Team doing. many my friends getting same case, many to dissapointed, we followed 6 week . NOT just new twitter or just 1-2 Week.
I hope Iconomi can correction again

same as me -_- i followed 6 weeks all bounties from facebook, twitter, and other bounties became 0

edit: i just see on telegram someone quote post from jani ?
Quote
Jani Valjavec:
bounties are deploying right now. you might see FB & TW still zero (depends who, as this is coming slowly in). if you see zero and you were not retweeting some old posts from may about server maintenance (totally irrelevant thing) or you didn't create 3 or more accounts (one guy made 80 accounts) to get maximum of bounties you will soon see number bigger than zero.
i'll be back with you guys tomorrow.
as they said,you're probably breaking rules or anything else that make your bounties becomes 0,even though this thing hasn't officially announced by iconomi maybe there's still any possibility for you to get back the token
i dont know what happened, My sign camp, twitter , facebook, newsletter also, ZERO,
my twitter is not BOT, i joined also in sign camp . Iconomi banned Bot or spamming but why REAL HUMAN also get this punish. its not a joke no rewards for real supporter ICNX
In my personal opinion, if you would be a real supporter you would support Iconomi (ICN) and not just the index (ICNX)
Wink
your question was answered like 10 times in the last few pages here. If you actually did the effort to read, and still don't find satisfying answer, I believe that Iconomi team is available on telegram bounty channel
1326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 08, 2016, 11:13:06 AM
Why is Iconomi asking me for verification although I invested with Bitcoins Huh :

ICONOMI requires additional user information to meet the Know your customer (KYC) and Anti Money Laundering (AML) policies.
After successful identification verification, you will be able to access your ICN tokens.
This verification option is for all but not mandatory for all to verify their identity.This KYC verification for those who invested fiat through bank transfer.Just leave it if you didn't invest any fiat money.
thanx


The way it's written seems pretty mandatory.

Maybe you should check in from within your ICO account itself.....

ICONOMI should clarify this issue ASAP

ICONOMI have clarified that at least 10000000 times. It doesn't matter how many times they will clarify it - you will still need to actually read it once.
Deposits for FIAT above 1000 dollar or 1000 euro are required to provide user verification (KYC). Everything else - NOT. Under everything else you have: deposits less than 1000euro/dollar, deposits with crypto

kapish?
1327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 08, 2016, 10:53:58 AM
It wasn't publish yet.. Why can't you guys be more patient or at the very minimum read official posts/whitepapers
1328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 08, 2016, 10:26:18 AM
Could anybody post a tutorial on how to setup Mist to receive ICONOMI tokens?

1. https://medium.com/iconominet/secure-your-iconomi-ico-account-with-two-factor-authentication-2fa-665374ee3264#.ffib3equj

2. https://medium.com/iconominet/how-to-receive-icn-tokens-in-your-own-ethereum-wallet-72d6bee01b9d#.f7drdrlol
1329  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 08, 2016, 10:24:39 AM
Fuck ethereum, it's totally deaded..  Trying to sync now for a bloody week

what helped me is to delete the app completely (you can just delete the blockchain data) and then resync - I got it all in ~ 1 hour
DONT FORGET  to backup your keys if you have any funds in the wallet
1330  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Bounties cry babies on: October 08, 2016, 10:13:04 AM
I wish bounties will be distributed , all bounties crybabies will shut the fck up about it and dump them on the market, and we can move on and discuss things that actually matter  - the platform, funds, markets, etc

PLEASE STOP WINING AROUND - the team is A+ and will send bounties to all. And no, they won't announce what exchange and when - do your own fckn homework

The last few pages look like a bounty kindergarten for mentally challenged. How can you be in crypto and not know what 2FA is, or not be able to read the official posts?


grrrr
1331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 07, 2016, 12:48:33 PM
I don't think it is too much to ask from the ICONOMI team to develop a light wallet for their token, the issue with Ethereum chain spam attack seems serious than we know, I have deloyed contract such as Xaurum, Digix and Hong coin on myetherwallet.com before without any error but I tried to do so with Singularity token today I was getting error, not everybody have the luxury of downloading the whole mist wallet on their PC. I will appreciate it if ICONOMI team will come up with a solution to this issue and be fair to all investors since it is not possible to move our token to exchanges temporarily.
Are you serious? It's not up to them to fix ethereum problems, and none of those issues existed when they decided to deploy on top of ethereum
You can still keep it on the platform , download mist, keep offline..
1332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 07, 2016, 08:49:04 AM
Is there "watch TOKEN" functionality in myetherwallet.com?  or do I have to get Mist?
Short answers: no, and yes.
Enhanced hint answer: I hope they update Mist with the latest geth release before Oct 10, or there's likely to be another delay.
you refer to geth 1.4.15 ?
1333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 07, 2016, 06:30:19 AM
Haha, I've been accused of never sleeping before yea... but honestly, I really do  Wink
I miss that time in my life.. Hope to get back there soon
1334  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 07, 2016, 06:27:25 AM
I guess I have an issue with Parity (It didn't fully download the blockchain) however I'm able to run Mist browser without issues , and I created an account (but It says I'm unable to see incoming transactions or something) , so Is it safe to use that generated address or not ? and where can I find my private keys?

Option 1:
Go to myetherwallet.com and the wallet info tab. Attach the keystore file and enter your password and it'll show all your keys. Note the private key and then you can use that to import your account into any geth node using the wallet import "filename" function.

Option 2: (more secure)
In Mist Ethereum Wallet Accounts > Backup > Accounts > Keystore This folder is where your encrypted keys reside . You should copy this folder to other devices as a back up.

Use myetherwallet if you want a straight forward priv / pub key pair. The one in mist is obviously encrypted, and I see no way to simply view it unencrypted.

MrPresident,
Can you tell us noobs exactly how to do this with Myetherwallet?  I need baby steps. I'm at level "zero" with ETH.   I don't want to lose any ICNs.  My crypto experience is with Bitcoins, Ledger NanoS, and trezor.

Thanks in advance.
I would strongly suggest you NOT to use any website for online generating private key, especially if you plan on mid-long holding
Better use complete offline version, or mist (once it will be fixed). Team should have an official how-to for both online and offline storage:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587736.msg16473283#msg16473283
A trezor for ethereum would be very nice to have
He wishes to view an existing Mist wallet key so it can be imported/exported.
The only way to do that I have found is by using myetherwallet.
If you know another way, please share it... (I don't think there is another way.)
Missed the existing wallet key part, still waking up and before coffee. You no sleep, Mr.P?
1335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform ❘|❘ ICO CLOSED on: October 07, 2016, 06:11:27 AM
I guess I have an issue with Parity (It didn't fully download the blockchain) however I'm able to run Mist browser without issues , and I created an account (but It says I'm unable to see incoming transactions or something) , so Is it safe to use that generated address or not ? and where can I find my private keys?

Option 1:
Go to myetherwallet.com and the wallet info tab. Attach the keystore file and enter your password and it'll show all your keys. Note the private key and then you can use that to import your account into any geth node using the wallet import "filename" function.

Option 2: (more secure)
In Mist Ethereum Wallet Accounts > Backup > Accounts > Keystore This folder is where your encrypted keys reside . You should copy this folder to other devices as a back up.

Use myetherwallet if you want a straight forward priv / pub key pair. The one in mist is obviously encrypted, and I see no way to simply view it unencrypted.

MrPresident,
Can you tell us noobs exactly how to do this with Myetherwallet?  I need baby steps. I'm at level "zero" with ETH.   I don't want to lose any ICNs.  My crypto experience is with Bitcoins, Ledger NanoS, and trezor.

Thanks in advance.
I would strongly suggest you NOT to use any website for online generating private key, especially if you plan on mid-long holding
Better use complete offline version, or mist (once it will be fixed). Team should have an official how-to for both online and offline storage:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587736.msg16473283#msg16473283



A trezor for ethereum would be very nice to have
1336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Another question about ICMP funds raised during the ICO on: October 07, 2016, 05:58:26 AM

What am I missing here?

Initial overfunding is locked giving us/ icn holders as a group shares in the fund causing icn to gain value as a token.
Future funding would give the investors shares in  that fund that could be liquidated when you choose.

Thats how i see it working.
You are not in the Performance Fund by default by buying ICN tokens. You simply collect fees and dividends from it. The PF is an option, the IF is an option, and all the other funds to be created will be optional.

I disagree.  All icn holders will have profits from the perforance fund as thats where the overfunding goes.
Its just locked in so you gain by your icn having more income giving it a higher market value.
What do you disagree with?
ICN holders will have profit from ALL funds on the platform, in a form of fees collected - this is the main idea of the ICO. Since we "over-funded"  the platform, and since this over-funded money came directly from us - we should have the ability to liquid it just like every other fund that we or anybody else will invest into.
Still haven't seen a valid argument against that last sentence
The question/argument there is null because one cannot liquidate what he does not own.
what do you mean does not own? It's like saying - hey, here, take X amount of money from me, go invest it and you will owe me just ~20% of the profits you make. The initial X amount you gave me is locked up forever.
How does that make sense?
it's not "locked up forever"... you also collect 20% in straight management fees, above and beyond, and totally separate of any profits. Fees will happen regardless of profit, at the rate of 20% APR
It's either locked or we will be able to withdraw it somehow. So which one is it? I don't talk about the profits that will (hopefully) be made from the investments - they are irrelevant to the matter of discussion now, which is the initial money raised to seed the fund
Okay, I'll give this one more try....
The dividends are paid every week ... THAT is the ONLY extent of "withdrawal" of seed funding from the PF, at the rate of 20% APR.
PF participants simply buy tokens equaling a share of profits from said funds, adding or subtracting to that pot under a separate formulae. (yet to be revealed) This stops a PF buyer to be able to withdraw seed funding, and at the same time, increases the chances the fund will grow at a much faster rate, bringing more profits to PF token holders and more dividends to ICN token holders.
Thanks for the another try, it clarifies things. If one follows your statement, then basically performance fund money that has been raised throughout the ICO period is platform seed money that in the meanwhile will be invested in order to generate profit for shareholders - money that if and when needed will be burned for operation costs, just like the 10,000BTC?
If that is the case, and I would like someone from @Iconomi team to comment on that (here, or in the official channels) because it is not clear enough (IMO) who is subject to the seed money that goes into the performance fund.

Another thing I'd like to understand is why ~20% of profits is considered to be paid back as dividends? Where does the other 80% go? Further seed the fund?

I do believe that further clarification from official team members is required. From officail post on medium.com:
"If 21,000 BTC is collected, the assets collected during the ICO will represent 73.3% of the total ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE size — the first batch will be capped at 15,000 BTC. The rest — 4,000 BTC — would be available to invitees."
Could you please explain the incentive for ICO participant to invest twice in the same fund - first time by the ICO money and second time with the invitation?  There has to be more than just the fees as an incentive
1337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Another question about ICMP funds raised during the ICO on: October 06, 2016, 08:11:07 PM

What am I missing here?

Initial overfunding is locked giving us/ icn holders as a group shares in the fund causing icn to gain value as a token.
Future funding would give the investors shares in  that fund that could be liquidated when you choose.

Thats how i see it working.
You are not in the Performance Fund by default by buying ICN tokens. You simply collect fees and dividends from it. The PF is an option, the IF is an option, and all the other funds to be created will be optional.

I disagree.  All icn holders will have profits from the perforance fund as thats where the overfunding goes.
Its just locked in so you gain by your icn having more income giving it a higher market value.
What do you disagree with?
ICN holders will have profit from ALL funds on the platform, in a form of fees collected - this is the main idea of the ICO. Since we "over-funded"  the platform, and since this over-funded money came directly from us - we should have the ability to liquid it just like every other fund that we or anybody else will invest into.
Still haven't seen a valid argument against that last sentence
The question/argument there is null because one cannot liquidate what he does not own.
what do you mean does not own? It's like saying - hey, here, take X amount of money from me, go invest it and you will owe me just ~20% of the profits you make. The initial X amount you gave me is locked up forever.
How does that make sense?
it's not "locked up forever"... you also collect 20% in straight management fees, above and beyond, and totally separate of any profits. Fees will happen regardless of profit, at the rate of 20% APR
It's either locked or we will be able to withdraw it somehow. So which one is it? I don't talk about the profits that will (hopefully) be made from the investments - they are irrelevant to the matter of discussion now, which is the initial money raised to seed the fund
1338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Another question about ICMP funds raised during the ICO on: October 06, 2016, 08:03:06 PM

What am I missing here?

Initial overfunding is locked giving us/ icn holders as a group shares in the fund causing icn to gain value as a token.
Future funding would give the investors shares in  that fund that could be liquidated when you choose.

Thats how i see it working.
You are not in the Performance Fund by default by buying ICN tokens. You simply collect fees and dividends from it. The PF is an option, the IF is an option, and all the other funds to be created will be optional.

I disagree.  All icn holders will have profits from the perforance fund as thats where the overfunding goes.
Its just locked in so you gain by your icn having more income giving it a higher market value.
What do you disagree with?
ICN holders will have profit from ALL funds on the platform, in a form of fees collected - this is the main idea of the ICO. Since we "over-funded"  the platform, and since this over-funded money came directly from us - we should have the ability to liquid it just like every other fund that we or anybody else will invest into.
Still haven't seen a valid argument against that last sentence
The question/argument there is null because one cannot liquidate what he does not own.
what do you mean does not own? It's like saying - hey, here, take X amount of money from me, go invest it and you will owe me just ~20% of the profits you make. The initial X amount I gave you is locked up forever.
How does that make sense?
1339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Another question about ICMP funds raised during the ICO on: October 06, 2016, 07:57:08 PM

What am I missing here?

Initial overfunding is locked giving us/ icn holders as a group shares in the fund causing icn to gain value as a token.
Future funding would give the investors shares in  that fund that could be liquidated when you choose.

Thats how i see it working.
You are not in the Performance Fund by default by buying ICN tokens. You simply collect fees and dividends from it. The PF is an option, the IF is an option, and all the other funds to be created will be optional.
Optional? What do you mean by that? The money that will seed the performance fund will stay there forever? What is the difference between ICO seeding funds and future money invested? Why would future money invested be liquid-able and seed money not? Fund money is fund money


Because thats what iconomi said they will do.   I dont make the rules, but that is how it has been decided.
Overfunding is locked in giving icn more value.
Future funding needs to be able to be liquidated or who would invest?
where was that stated? I saw that icnp funds won't be tradable like ICN tokens, but no one said anything about locking the money. Plz provide a link for that
1340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Another question about ICMP funds raised during the ICO on: October 06, 2016, 07:54:56 PM

What am I missing here?

Initial overfunding is locked giving us/ icn holders as a group shares in the fund causing icn to gain value as a token.
Future funding would give the investors shares in  that fund that could be liquidated when you choose.

Thats how i see it working.
You are not in the Performance Fund by default by buying ICN tokens. You simply collect fees and dividends from it. The PF is an option, the IF is an option, and all the other funds to be created will be optional.

I disagree.  All icn holders will have profits from the perforance fund as thats where the overfunding goes.
Its just locked in so you gain by your icn having more income giving it a higher market value.
What do you disagree with?
ICN holders will have profit from ALL funds on the platform, in a form of fees collected - this is the main idea of the ICO. Since we "over-funded"  the platform, and since this over-funded money came directly from us - we should have the ability to liquid it just like every other fund that we or anybody else will invest into.
Still haven't seen a valid argument against that last sentence
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