probably why he didn't send the Bitcoin. Still not right though Edit: can you remove the black bar from that screenshot? Who is marcchernandez@gmail.com? marchernandez is a well known scammer on here |
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10- Buyer creates a scam thread, and provides second PGP signed address from seller, indicating address b.
11- Seller is labelled scammer due to conclusive evidence, negative trust is left.
true however just because someone is a scammer does not make their word useless. If later a potential trading partner searches for the buyers username in scam accusacations there will be a thread without a rebuttal |
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probably why he didn't send the Bitcoin. Still not right though Edit: can you remove the black bar from that screenshot? |
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Please check your PM. Thanks!  ~~MZ~~ i replied to your pm |
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FWIW, your first example would be rendered moot if people used PGP.
it would not resolve the issue. Someone could provide the PGP signed message in lieu of chat log screenshots. When someone gives a PGP signed message asking to change the payment address the first one would still not have a tx showing payment. You would have the same issue of having a locked thread without the ability to give a rebuttal. Maybe you should write out your example in full, because you just lost me. If I have two pgp-signed messages from a seller saying "send money here" and "send money there", what's the problem? Send the money to the newest address they gave you. Create a scam thread with the PGP messages if they scam you. 1- buyer and seller agree to a trade 2- sends a widget to the seller 3- seller gives PGP signed message saying to send funds to address (a) 4- buyer receives widget 5- seller gives a 2nd PGP signed message saying to send funds to address (b) 6- buyer sends funds to address (b) 7- seller opens scam accusacation saying they were never paid 8- seller provides the PGP message for address (a) as well as screen shots showing he gave that address to buyer 9- seller locks thread before buyer can respond |
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FWIW, your first example would be rendered moot if people used PGP.
it would not resolve the issue. Someone could provide the PGP signed message in lieu of chat log screenshots. When someone gives a PGP signed message asking to change the payment address the first one would still not have a tx showing payment. You would have the same issue of having a locked thread without the ability to give a rebuttal. |
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If someone is searching scam accusation threads, they know how to forum better than most people here, and can probably distinguish shit from shinola on their own.
the claim may not be 100% BS but in reality they were not scamming. One example would be when someone provides proof they sent something to someone gave them a payment address and then changed the payment address at a later date. (Although this would be BS). Someone could provide proof they sent goods, a screenshot of logs giving the payment address and a link to a block explorer showing no tx to that address. Another example would be someone being late on a loan or goods getting lost in the mail |
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Even if you think it has been proven that he is a scammer, he still has the right to defend himself. I don't think you would like it if someone presented some evidence that you were scamming and then locked the thread making it difficult for you to defend yourself.
They can defend themselves by opening another thread, if anything if someone makes a claim that you scammed and then they lock the thread it just looks like they are craving attention. If someone is searching scam accusacations threads prior to doing business with you they may find a locked thread that does not include any kind of rebuttle they may decide not to do business with you before even looking at your rebuttle thread. They may decide to never even contact you in the first place. |
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Who determines if the dispute is settled? The WoodCollector dispute is *not* settled if you ask WC or TECSHARE.
What if everyone agrees it's settled except for the accused? Still lock it?
FWIW, at least three of the threads you linked were created by the scammer trying to avoid the main thread lock. Nothing can be done to prevent this, least of all leaving the main thread unlocked.
it would be up to the moderator/admin if it has been settled (and would do so by getting agreement of all parties involved). But that would contradict mods not getting involved in scams. I don't think it's that big of a deal personally. Most threads are only locked when the situation has been resolved anyway and situations like the one you mentioned are rare (and still not that big a deal). I don't think this would really be them getting involved but more only accepting the fact that all parties agree the issue is resolved as "proof" that it is resolved |
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if the scammer does not repay the victim then the thread should remain unlocked. If the scammer ever wants to repair his reputation then he could later repay his victims and post there of this.
If the level of socks get to a spam level you can report the posts in question and if they are against the rules they will be deleted. Having your own sock accounts post in a scam accusacation thread will generally only make you look worse which is what happened to WC (it is actually one reason why I am leaning more towards thinking he is a fraud)
 Wholeheartedly disagree. "Repairing a reputation" online is foolish to the point of absurdity. The sensible thing for WC to do would be to just create a new account -- his current one is irreparably damaged. If his victims get repaid (they won't), he's still a scammer, just a scammer with a conscience after the fact. I personally do not care if his customers ever get a dime back; he has a big "S" branded on his forehead, and that's that. If you don't think he will ever repay his customers then the thread should remain unlocked. Sometimes people will scam much smaller amounts and will repay. Even if you think it has been proven that he is a scammer, he still has the right to defend himself. I don't think you would like it if someone presented some evidence that you were scamming and then locked the thread making it difficult for you to defend yourself. |
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What if all parties involved are unable to come to an agreement?
I locked that thread because it turned to diarrhea. Sock fight. Would not consider unlocking for any reason at this point.
if the scammer does not repay the victim then the thread should remain unlocked. If the scammer ever wants to repair his reputation then he could later repay his victims and post there of this. If the level of socks get to a spam level you can report the posts in question and if they are against the rules they will be deleted. Having your own sock accounts post in a scam accusacation thread will generally only make you look worse which is what happened to WC (it is actually one reason why I am leaning more towards thinking he is a fraud) |
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Who determines if the dispute is settled? The WoodCollector dispute is *not* settled if you ask WC or TECSHARE.
What if everyone agrees it's settled except for the accused? Still lock it?
FWIW, at least three of the threads you linked were created by the scammer trying to avoid the main thread lock. Nothing can be done to prevent this, least of all leaving the main thread unlocked.
it would be up to the moderator/admin if it has been settled (and would do so by getting agreement of all parties involved). I would say that until the person who got scammed is repaid then a scam accusacation thread should not be considered resolved. It may be proven that someone has actually scammed (this fact is open to debate in your specific case) however additional information may come to light or the person scamming may try to scam again. Even if you ignore all of the threads by WC there are still three threads about the same topic. I am not sure on this however it is possible that WC opened and/or posted in his threads when your thread was locked (so that would bring the thread count up to 4). |
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There are sometimes legit reasons to narco a thread, for example the reused r value thread was narcoed when it was noticed that BCI was using weak RNG in creating new private keys
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As with self-moderated threads if people are claiming they want a discussion and keep messing with things just create your own thread and talk about them there, nothing stopping you, I remember awhile back there were certain users that were spamming self-moderated threads all over the board so people just started making unmoderated duplicates, eventually the users involved learned their lesson.
The point is that when you start to lock and then unlock threads then you start to have multiple conversations going and it is difficult to find information especially when the thread that gets locked has substantially more information (when it gets unlocked the conversation will migrate back there and the 2nd thread will get more or less ignored - along with most information in it). Lethn is right. Whilst it is annoying to have several threads on the same subject if people lock theirs and the situation hasn't been resolved people are free to create their own. Locking threads in Scam Accusations is actually good for when a dispute has actually been settled, though of course this can be abused by locking the thread prematurely but that's when you open up your own to continue discussion.
my proposal is to only allow scam accusacations threads to get locked when a dispute has been settled. My concern is not just locking them but also the updating a locked thread and unlocking a thread after a 2nd thread was started. In the example I gave, there are not 2 threads discussing a dispute, there are 6 and in three different boards. |
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You generally need to be very trustrd to buy Bitcoin with PayPal. Plus 5 percent should be enough however you probably won't be able to buy large amounts.
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The only people that should be concerned with Scam Accusations are scammers themselves.
~BCX~
This is not true. It is not unusual for someone to post a dubious scam accusation against someone. If there is evidence the disproves such accusations the person post such accusation could lock their thread making their accuser look like they really scammed when they did not. You don't think a locked thread tells the story? ~BCX~ information could easily be left off or additional information could be presented to disprove a scan accusacation. Locking a thread before it is resolved would prevent such information from being presented. |
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The only people that should be concerned with Scam Accusations are scammers themselves.
~BCX~
This is not true. It is not unusual for someone to post a dubious scam accusation against someone. If there is evidence the disproves such accusations the person post such accusation could lock their thread making their accuser look like they really scammed when they did not. |
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Can you start paying in bitcointalk accounts? Like a member account for two weeks of joining the campaign?
That would be fun.
If you bothered to read the 3rd post above post you would see that I am not continuing the campaign. |
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Hi Quickseller, I received the payment and will go ahead and make the remaining 5 posts in the next 24 hours. Has the campaign concluded at this point or can I continue for another 2 week period for the same rate? Many thanks Unfortunately the campaign has concluded. I don't think it had a very positive effect on sales unfortunately. You can take up to an additional 10 days to make the additional 5 posts and can remove the signature once you make as many posts (you are free to keep it on if you chose to do so). Thanks again for all your help. Ok no problem, sorry to hear that it wasn't very effective. I'll keep the sig on for the next 10 days even after the 5 remaining posts have been made then. Thank you, I appreciate that. Was a pleasure working with you.
It was a pleasure working with you as well |
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I still have doubts about the legitimacy of the value and revenue of your domains.
If you can provide a more stable altcoin for collateral (then your likely worthless domains) then I would be willing to do this. (assuming you can offer an acceptable interest rate)
would you like access to my adsense account? would you like access to my faucetbox account? No. did you have a look at the sites I provided you about value of the again "websites" not just domains. I am not using just the domains as collateral. I am using the sites them selfs. Your websites are ~a month old. They have not reached that level of value in only one month. I do not have any alt coins. I will have to pass then again this is a serious Loan request with serious business movements. If you say so. I am willing to provide you access or at least team viewer and show you the accounts. Live. I am not sure how the collateral is secure if either the lender or an escrow is not 100% in control of the websites/domains. I would like this loan to be paid off in 2 months. I think a potential lender would like this more then you, but this doesn't mean it will happen. -snip-
again traffic dose not lie neither do the clicks.
Sure they can. You can buy both traffic and clicks for next to nothing. The quality of both is almost always very low quality. If your adsense (or any other advertiser) finds out you are buying traffic/clicks they will likely withhold payment and will try to recover any payment given to you from purchased traffic (in court if necessary) |
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