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13441  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poetry Contest: Tip your favorite poems on: June 19, 2013, 05:08:02 AM
Peter Lambert what a Boyscout
Trusting no one
Home-schooled homo
Takes no money
Worse, gives no honey

Peter Peter, he ain't seein'
Rains on our poems like a bad seer
Running his mouth like a forty-five
Rat tat tat tat - in your fat gut

That's the end to that bad dream
Loud and piercing was that scream
Next time you're offered some goodwill
Take it you dope - before you're roped

Cause only a fool says no to Satoshi
Man of mystery man made by spooks
One day soon we'll all get booked
Might as well enjoy it - getting hooked.
13442  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poetry Contest: Tip your favorite poems on: June 19, 2013, 04:45:26 AM
Eyes wide open mind shut tight
We sit and ponder the plot of life
To be, to do - conflicting plight
What is the meaning - all the strife?

Our goals, our hopes, fading with time
As we become one like the rest
The child is gone - innocent crime
The hands of time unravels the mind

One day I wake to the sound of lies
What once was wrong is now my life
The wicked strive on words of bias
Devouring the souls of mindless cowards

We weep, we cry - downward we spiral
Dreams forgotten, lives in shambles
For once we taste the bitter sweet
Our hearts entomb, full of deceit

But far away what once was ours
A figment - of everlasting life
Chasing a dream which cannot be gotten
Just like the truth once it's forgotten

The end is near, our fate is sealed
Of our own device; souls dilute & spirits deplete
The only life out of this certain Death
Lies deep beneath - with worms and fear

The fate for evil once waked, too clear
The path to death is oh so near
But hope resides within us all
For the pure of heart, the child - will hear the call

- Maximilian Wilhelm



Bitcoin address:   155eznepq9PRpBhVWk6RmDPsKXWzj9Uqcd
13443  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Aegis - DevCoin on: June 14, 2013, 05:38:54 AM
So here we have the last offical thread?

Edit:

Do we have any redirection method when new people happen to msg or ask the account "Aegis" some devcoin questions?

also, could we just lock all the 3 other devcoin threads, and simply change the tilte of this thread to "DevCoin" ? it looks puzzled with the word "Aegis" at the tile.

1.) This is indeed the official thread.

3.) Unthinkingbit is going to lock his, if he already hasn't. The other DevCoin threads should be locked.

4.) I'm not sure about putting Aegis out of the title, but I will try to allow it to make sense. (Probably by saying, 'Aegis - Official DevCoin Thread')

What does Aegis have to do with?  Isn't that from some Greek myth? 

But I agree with a couple other have said here.  The last 2 days were weird.  First one troll and then a sudden attack on finshaggy which made no sense and as soon as I jumped in to defend him the 2 or 3 guys attacking fin dissapeared not offering any kind of rebuttal.  It seemed so coordinated. 

Not sure if they wanted to eliminate a high earner so they would have more shares for themselves or if this was an attack on devcoin and fin is one of our best promoters but we have to watch out for stuff like this and stand up for each other.  I was surprised I was the only one who stepped in, and after I did a couple other guys did too.

We can't let one guy with multiple aliases come in here and wreck this place. 
13444  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 14, 2013, 04:07:18 AM
We're going to move once more, to the official thread. Aegis is fully out of Newbie Mode faster than I expected. Anybody that wants to help with Aegis are free to still join. Please P.M me, Unthinkingbit, or Aegis.

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This thread will be locked when the official Aegis moderated thread is created, which will probably be today.
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Link to the official thread:______

There's no link to the new thread.

Also, shouldn't we close the new moderated devcoin thread as well.  It seems like half the people are posting there and half are posting here.  Not sure everyone got the memo or perhaps some want to main threads.
13445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin Moderated on: June 14, 2013, 04:04:19 AM
yap i saw the 10$ mark on vircurex too, before the hacks and changes!

You're the third person who has stated seeing the $10 DVC price.  I think this is enough to prove Finshaggy was simply recollecting something he saw and all of the attacks against him need to be dropped.  I can't believe something like this got so out of hand in the first place.  It's like we're living in Russia or China.  Very strange behavior.

The trolls will continue to attack Finshaggy, they are not out there caring about whether DVC reached $10 or $10 million, they are out there to discredit the Devcoin.   No matter how we clarify, they certainly have other excuses of attacking DVC and Finshaggy.

Thanks for confirming what I felt.  It made no sense to me.  I thought maybe I was being paranoid.  It worked though, I haven't seen finshaggy post all day since he was attacked. 

I think they saw he was a major contributor and they targeted him.  Call me crazy but the whole attack seemed so overblown and exaggerated. Using 2 maybe 3 fairly new aliases they took the whole board over and relentlessly went after the poor guy.  Why, cause he recalled devcoin being at $10?  It makes no sense.
13446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin Moderated on: June 14, 2013, 01:50:46 AM
yap i saw the 10$ mark on vircurex too, before the hacks and changes!

You're the third person who has stated seeing the $10 DVC price.  I think this is enough to prove Finshaggy was simply recollecting something he saw and all of the attacks against him need to be dropped.  I can't believe something like this got so out of hand in the first place.  It's like we're living in Russia or China.  Very strange behavior.
13447  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin Moderated on: June 14, 2013, 01:46:10 AM
It's gonna be very difficult to reach $10 per coin. We need a market cap of 46 billion and more as we pump millions of coin each month. Our current market cap is around 460,000.

Not really a good idea to pump the $10 per coin price as it was a glitch and not the market value price. It makes us seem really scammy and we just want to pump that coin. If you look at the math, we need $46 billion. Do you know how much money that is? Not really realistic at this point at all and you're attracting the wrong type of people to the coin if you keep on saying that it will reach $10 per coin later on.


I agree Lawyer, but from what I saw Finshaggy was simply asking and stating that devcoin was at $10 at one point.

For us new guys who were not around at that point - there is no way to know it was a fluke.  I too read third party articles over the past 2 months which stated devcoin was at $10.

That said, this whole thing got way out of hand.  It was really one or two guys jumping all over Finshaggy like he did some horrible thing.

I agree we don't need pumpers but right now, with such low awareness I'd rather have some overly optimistic guy than some nagging hens riding some of our best contributors, such as finshaggy.  That's not going to help our cause.  This horse has been dead some-time now.

And as far as value goes, a literally worthless video game currency like Bitcoin went to $266 for no fundamental reason whatsoever, in under 90 days, so as crazy as a $50 Billion market cap sounds, it's possible if demand greatly outstrips supply for a few weeks which I think is possible once Bitcoin goes mainstream which I think will happen by next year.



**Finally, can somebody close this thread since most people are already on the aegis moderated thread?  Two open threads is causing confusion.  TIA
13448  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 14, 2013, 12:59:14 AM
Got it, weisoQ, you're right, it was pretty easy.  I got all my articles done.  This is going to make locating specific articles so much easier.

FYI:  I'm seeing lots of red titles.  I'm guessing this is because the title isn't exactly like the original title.  I think it has to be identical, including capital letter, commas, hyphens, etc.

Anybody who transferred your articles, check to make sure your titles are in blue and not red.  Red means it wasn't done right and it's looking for you to actually create a new page which will make it messy.  If you use the exact same title you don't have to copy and paste the actual article, it automatically recognizes it and uses the title as a link to your original work.

Just a heads up cause if people actually copied and pasted the articles python may see this as new works as the title itself is going to be different.
13449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 10:58:55 PM
Thanks WeisoQ, really a great idea!


Edit:

Looks like you already moved my articles.  I appreciate it cause I was a bit confused on how to do that.

But I did write an intro page and added my name to the devtome writers page along with the 2 other existing names on there, Balthazar and FinShaggy.

This too is a great idea as it gives people a window into your mind and personal perspective.  Every writer should do this and if I figured out how to do it I'm sure everyone else will too.

The first thing you wanna do is click on ''Devtome Writers'' which will take you to the page where other writers are listed.  Then click on ''edit'' and add your name (or your writer name) with the 2 brackets ([[....]]) and then save and go to create page just as you would when you write a new article.  

Write your intro (look at the format others used so we can have some uniformity) then save it.

Good luck!
13450  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 10:00:16 PM
Where Fin's posts removed or am I thinking of the "Devcoin moderated" thread? He's got a crazy post count for his join date but the guy just seems talkative.

No idea whats going on with alt coins atm but they seem to be attracting spam of all kinds and Devcoin seems to be getting hit hard with it, thanks to acs26 for removing that looser.

Yes, finshaggy is a very active member of devcoin, devtome and this alt coin community.  He's done more than most here to raise awareness. 

And yes, we should have a few more guys like him but unfortunately guys like him are difficult to find.
13451  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devtome Earnings on: June 13, 2013, 09:57:41 PM
Everyone please check that your earnings are in the list at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/account_24.csv

The devtome earnings will be up for a day, in case someone did not get earnings because their invoice is badly formatted. If that is the case, I will run devtome.py again for only that person. Also, every new recipient should check that they received 11 devcoins, which were sent for a final confirmation of the devcoin address.

By Friday, June 14, the receiver files should be made. Round 24 payments will start at block 96,000, around July 1.


What reasons would there be for not being on the list? I thought I'd formatted my page correctly. I've messaged unthinkingbit and still awaiting reply, also can't seem to edit the little bit of of the page which he's left that message in, I'm probably just being stupid!

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:tom

You shouldn't call yourself stupid - it makes you look insecure.  Give it a few minutes and some of the senior members here will call you stupid for you and then you'll at least look blameless.

At any rate, I'm one of the least techie guys here so wait for someone else to help you (MarkM is one of the best here) or for a response from unthinkingbit.

From my 2 months experience unthinkingbit responds faster than anyone - even in the middle of the night.  The guy either never sleeps or he has someone help him return messages cause it's almost always an under 15 minute response.  

Good luck.
13452  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 09:41:56 PM



Oh, okay. He is looking for you to flame or threaten him, and then to most likely try and report you.

 I would never threaten anybody here.  I try to respect everyone who posts even if I totally disagree.  I don't like being muzzled and silenced by overly sensitive wannabe mod boyscouts - so then, in turn, I try hard to tolerate everyone else.

Like right now there's one guy in particular on here who is targeting finshaggy, a bit too much in my opinion.  Perhaps fin needs to tone it down but I'd rather have 100 zealous and eager believers like Finshaggy who has done a lot to raise devcoin and devtome awareness than boyscouts I've never seen do anything for this entity but constantly complain about one of our biggest contributors.

I think there's an ulterior motive there - there's just too much bashing done by him against fin for what I think is an honest mistake.  As I said earlier, my personal research into devcoin (2 months ago) also showed that devcoin at one point was valued at $10 per coin.  This was from third party articles I read.

Finshaggy may be guilty of being over-zealous - a small mistake - but nothing close to the lying fraud this one guy is making him out to be and definitely not deserving of a scammer tag or to be banned from devtome.

That's just ridiculous.  This guy is going way too far and probably is just trying to eliminate a top competitor for devcoin shares.  We need an open environment here - too many people here are quick on the troll trigger.  That's the best way to create a hostile environment for new people looking to learn and perhaps invest in devcoin.  

Let's welcome newbies not chase them off by telling them to stop asking stupid questions and calling them liars, scammers and trolls.  I have personally seen noobs get insulted and chased off.  That's much more damaging to Devcoin's image and future than finshaggy recalling hearing someone say devcoin was once trading at $10.

Of course this owersly guy is a troll, he's worked hard to prove he has no intention to be part of this community and has actually tried to harm devcoin through blatant lies and innuendoes.  This guy is a perfect example of what type of behavior needs to be banned.
13453  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 09:32:45 PM
The definition of "to give sb the benefit of the doubt" is: Regard someone as innocent until proven otherwise...

I cannot say anything wrong about Unthinkingbit: he is not abusing his position, ready to share the administration, seeking advice, collecting ideas, promptly helping folks out.

So, why should I let an unknown and arrogant passing-by  to affect my opinion with his childish statements?

Exactly right.  I invite any opinion but thus far everything about devcoin appears to be right, generous and fair.

And there is nothing wrong with incorporating overseas, it's actually a good option for reasons I've already outlined and discussed on this thread, should anyone have questions about that.  


It's all relevant information since we're part of devcoin, contributors and shareholder (to a certain degree) which is the biggest reason I was responding to our resident troll.

I hope my informative posts don't get deleted along with the troll's posts.  Unthinkingbit may want to read them as he sounded in the dark about the whole incorporation process which is to be expected as it's information one would not be familiar with unless you've gone through the process or learned in school.  Choosing the proper entity and executing on it can be quite complex which is why I'd recommend a lawyer.
13454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 09:26:32 PM
I am deeply sorry for Owsley's spamming. I will be deleting it all today, and hopefully tommarow I'll get Aegis out of Newbie Mode.

This is the reason Aegis was created, so the burden wouldnt just be on one person.

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO HIM. DO NOT ASK HIM FOR PROOF, HE DOESNT HAVE IT. IF HE HAS BEEN PMing you THREATS or FLAMING you, please do not delete them.

I replied to some of his posts thinking maybe he really wanted to learn something but he doesn't.  And given unthinkingbit wants to incorporate I thought it was relevant information to post on this thread as it's information most people don't know about and could be useful information employed by anyone who wants an LLC or a corporation.
13455  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 09:24:27 PM
We just went from 4 pages to 3 pages.

I either went back in time or the troll just had most of his posts deleted. Ha!
13456  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 09:18:50 PM
This is an excellent time for you to become a missing person.

Lol, you're on a roll, deadsea.

He sounds like a first year freshman.....in high school.

Now he's ranting about buying a shell.  As if that's a bad thing.   Warren Buffet bought a shell by the name of Berkshire, is he a scammer?  A shell is a good way to buy a dying public company as its sometimes cheaper than paying bankers millions to go public.

"Ain't nobody got time for that!"

But this is not what unthinkigbit is talking about.  He's not talking about going public, he just wants an offshore corp probably to reduce his taxable income.

If that's the reason then I'd definitely take a look at Ireland - last I read they have the lowest corporate tax on earth and it doesn't look as fishy as Bahamas.  The Feds are all over accounts in Switzerland and the Bahamas as that's where all evil doers go to dodge the government.

It's hard to know until one knows the reasons and goals a person has for incorporating - hence the need for a securities lawyer.

imo going offshore involves money laundering! =)WEEEEEE

You keep spewing nonsense.  There are many legitimate reasons to go offshore.

Apple et al have offshore subsidiaries which they use to transfer billions of dollars and thus greatly reduce their taxable income.  Apple has $95 billion overseas and using subsidiaries and accounts in Ireland saved than roughly $22 billion just over the last 12 months.  That's $22 billion in free cash, cash they would have forfeited if it were not for overseas accounts, the biggest of which is Ireland.

You'd have to be an idiot to not take advantage of legal loopholes.  So do yourself a favor and stop talking - you're embarrassing yourself.
13457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 09:09:39 PM
This is an excellent time for you to become a missing person.

Lol, you're on a roll, deadsea.

He sounds like a first year freshman.....in high school.

Now he's ranting about buying a shell.  As if that's a bad thing.   Warren Buffet bought a shell by the name of Berkshire, is he a scammer?  A shell is a good way to buy a dying public company as its sometimes cheaper than paying bankers millions to go public.

"Ain't nobody got time for that!"

But this is not what unthinkigbit is talking about.  He's not talking about going public, he just wants an offshore corp probably to reduce his taxable income.

If that's the reason then I'd definitely take a look at Ireland - last I read they have the lowest corporate tax on earth and it doesn't look as fishy as Bahamas.  The Feds are all over accounts in Switzerland and the Bahamas as that's where all evil doers go to dodge the government.

It's hard to know until one knows the reasons and goals a person has for incorporating - hence the need for a securities lawyer.
13458  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 08:57:20 PM
Dear Ow.... too long that name.
Sorry, I cannot see what you have written. You are on my ignore list.
But, if you like, you can put me on your ignore list.


Monkey-boy slash - sir troll-a-lot, said to open the corporation in Wyoming cause there you can print infinite shares.

This is what I mean, this guy is like a child, literally.  Any corporation, anywhere, can print infinite shares, it's part of the benefit of being incorporated.

Public traded companies no way!~~only Wyoming as far as i know the best scammer place to incorporate~ Delaware maybe close second

Dude, you're killing me with your ignorance.  Any corporation, public or not can dilute itself by printing shares ad nauseum.  There is no limit, just the filing requirements which state you need transperancy.

Which brings me to another enormous cost to corporations (although I'm not certain this applies to Bahama) but hiring the necessary people and using up costly resources to observe and maintain ridiculous laws such as Sarbane Oxley, that cost alone is prohibitive to many small corporations when they try to determine if they're going public or not. 

It's been a few years but when I learned about this - the cost to a corporation was close to $1 million per year.  And it's not even very effective at keeping crooked corps honest - it's just another ridiculous regulation. 

And the SEC is a joke.  Besides that, they only have the power to monitor and audit public corps and devcoin would not be public, at least not at this point.

And please stop making such ridiculous statements - I'm certain about this as this type of information was required reading and case studies when I was in school.
13459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 08:29:48 PM
Dear Ow.... too long that name.
Sorry, I cannot see what you have written. You are on my ignore list.
But, if you like, you can put me on your ignore list.


Monkey-boy slash - sir troll-a-lot, said to open the corporation in Wyoming cause there you can print infinite shares.

This is what I mean, this guy is like a child, literally.  Any corporation, anywhere, can print infinite shares, it's part of the benefit of being incorporated.
13460  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Aegis DevCoin on: June 13, 2013, 08:17:43 PM
There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. Oscar Wilde

So, the fact someone is spending time for Devcoin, no matter how, it means he is involuntarily contributing to its growth.




Hahahahaaa.

Excellent point DeadSea33.  Excellent point.  Shalom, Brohim!
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