Humans have not been listening to the "space" long enough to take that time into consideration and a prof that aliens do not exist. Let's put it like this. If i live on an island in some ocean with 100 other people and the closest land is 6.000km in any direction, chances that me and my "friends" will find any other life are slim ( considering we still havent discovered planes, boats that can cross oceans ). In that case my enitre life I would thing that we are the only humans.....
But now we have detected exo planets similar to Earth. And that will continue, now that we know how to do it. After a while, we'll have - let's say - a list of 100 such planets. We can aim DIRECTIONAL recievers at those points. Right now we are just randomly pointing antennas around hoping to maybe pick something up. With radio that doesn't work too well. You'd never hear or talk to the Mars rovers unless you had extremely narrow directional antennas. And obviously to listen to another star system, the problem is that much worse. We do have some good guesses as to what frequencies to listen on, but have not to this time, known WHERE. And how will that help? There are billions of planets in our galaxy alone, what are the chances that those planets would have intelligent life? Less then winning a lotto 3x in a row. You are forgetting many things, and one of them evolution and technological develepment. Being a planet that can sustain life doesnt equal intellignet life has yet evolved or survived, or taht species is capable to emit radio into space. And we as humans have been brought to near extinction many, many times... And dont forget that human made radio wave has traveled about 100 LY so far ( furthest ), so if lets say there is an intelligent life on that Exoplanet listening to our part of the galaxy ( pointing radio waves to our planet ) he wont detect ANYTHING. You misunderstand. I suggest not that an ET would hear anything from us, but that signalling from, to and between ET would be by narrow beam communications. Of what type? Does not really matter. Narrow beam requires knowing where to point, so ET(planet 937) would point at what he considered habitable planets. Because of some details of chemistry, water is most suitable, so he would have had a beam pointed at Earth. How would you detect it? You'd crank a directional antenna around in turn between planet 0...999, and when you hit 937, you might pick it up. If you did, you just hit the jackpot. Because that repeating broadcast from ET would contain the details of how, where and when to communicate. |
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Humans have not been listening to the "space" long enough to take that time into consideration and a prof that aliens do not exist. Let's put it like this. If i live on an island in some ocean with 100 other people and the closest land is 6.000km in any direction, chances that me and my "friends" will find any other life are slim ( considering we still havent discovered planes, boats that can cross oceans ). In that case my enitre life I would thing that we are the only humans.....
But now we have detected exo planets similar to Earth. And that will continue, now that we know how to do it. After a while, we'll have - let's say - a list of 100 such planets. We can aim DIRECTIONAL recievers at those points. Right now we are just randomly pointing antennas around hoping to maybe pick something up. With radio that doesn't work too well. You'd never hear or talk to the Mars rovers unless you had extremely narrow directional antennas. And obviously to listen to another star system, the problem is that much worse. We do have some good guesses as to what frequencies to listen on, but have not to this time, known WHERE. |
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wise conclusion... maybe "they" are around... humans tend to think in 3 dimensions,,,
the other question how could humans become interstellar if humanity is devided like it is...
I am personally not convinced that interstellar travel is possible with mechanical creations such as what we think of as "spacecraft". The speeds required for such travel are so high that even dust impacting would be power of atomic bomb. I have read proposals for the engineering and operation of such vehicles and frankly, it seems like something that'd be very risky. Maybe you get to Alpha Centauri in a couple hundred years, maybe the ship vanishes without a trace after a random impact. Personally (in the "belief" category) I think there are very likely decodable data streams that we could detect and learn very interesting things from and here is why. We are now detecting exo planets which are possibly life substaining, this means our planet has long ago been detected as such a place by the hypothetical THEM. So we don't know if THEY are out there. And THEY might or might not know that WE are here. But it would not be difficult to rotate a high power transmitter in the direction of each of 1000 likely exo planets. Or 100,000. Consider if one year 7200 hours transmit for 5 minutes to each of 100,000 exoplanets. Hundreds of years later you get a reply. When a reply occurs set continuous streaming. Thousands of years later you have a nice little community. A little corner of the galactic party. This works both ways - first, locate the exo planets, then point sensitive radio and light band receivers at those locations. This is very different than the random searching of the skies which we have been doing. Then, find a signal. Etc, Etc... If we cannot move beyond what we know now, i.e. our total amount of scientific knowledge of what " What" is made of it is not even necessary to contemplate interstellar travel from anyone, us or THEM.  So... Is the speed of light our ultimate prison guard forever? Gee, I don't know. There is a long illustrious history of prison guards being bribed, cajoled, or blackmailed into working for the team. Now I can't help but think little Ms. Lightspeed could be influenced to look the other way sometimes.... |
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Yep. that is why I added this guy as a link near my name.  Wait....wouldn't everything have been simpler if they had just banned anything having to do with the word "OBAMA"? I wonder.... |
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wise conclusion... maybe "they" are around... humans tend to think in 3 dimensions,,,
the other question how could humans become interstellar if humanity is devided like it is...
I am personally not convinced that interstellar travel is possible with mechanical creations such as what we think of as "spacecraft". The speeds required for such travel are so high that even dust impacting would be power of atomic bomb. I have read proposals for the engineering and operation of such vehicles and frankly, it seems like something that'd be very risky. Maybe you get to Alpha Centauri in a couple hundred years, maybe the ship vanishes without a trace after a random impact. Personally (in the "belief" category) I think there are very likely decodable data streams that we could detect and learn very interesting things from and here is why. We are now detecting exo planets which are possibly life substaining, this means our planet has long ago been detected as such a place by the hypothetical THEM. So we don't know if THEY are out there. And THEY might or might not know that WE are here. But it would not be difficult to rotate a high power transmitter in the direction of each of 1000 likely exo planets. Or 100,000. Consider if one year 7200 hours transmit for 5 minutes to each of 100,000 exoplanets. Hundreds of years later you get a reply. When a reply occurs set continuous streaming. Thousands of years later you have a nice little community. A little corner of the galactic party. This works both ways - first, locate the exo planets, then point sensitive radio and light band receivers at those locations. This is very different than the random searching of the skies which we have been doing. Then, find a signal. Etc, Etc... |
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Perhaps we are the first technical civilization in our galaxy? Someone has to be the first.
Ah, very unlikely. The theory of stellar evolution indicates that many generations of star systems - with planets - have come and gone. Some of those you can reckon had smart folks. Where did they go? Assume, for the moment that interstellar dust makes physical travel between star systems pretty much impossible. Where, indeed? They do not talk with us just like we do not talk with bugs... One question is how many cycles are needed to produce sufficient amount of materials needed for interstellar travel? That is heavier metals and such. Or are those needed at all? Or maybe we just don't know how to identify their communications...Correct. I have a rather fascinating book which is a compilation of tech articles on 'finding et' dated late 1960s. EVERYTHING IS DATED TO THAT VIEWPORT! There are serious math analysis of how ET would send a television signal, for example. Today we would try to figure how ET would send a router signal. Tomorrow... |
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 An artist's concept of Kepler-186f, discovered in April 2014.Last week, scientists announced the discovery of Kepler 186f, a planet 492 light years away in the Cygnus constellation. Kepler 186f is special because it marks the first planet almost exactly the same size as Earth orbiting in the “habitable zone” – the distance from a star in which we might expect liquid water, and perhaps life. What did not make the news, however, is that this discovery also slightly increases how much credence we give to the possibility of near-term human extinction. This because of a concept known as the Great Filter. The Great Filter is an argument that attempts to resolve the Fermi Paradox: why have we not found aliens, despite the existence of hundreds of billions of solar systems in our galactic neighborhood in which life might evolve? As the namesake physicist Enrico Fermi noted, it seems rather extraordinary that not a single extraterrestrial signal or engineering project has been detected (UFO conspiracy theorists notwithstanding). This apparent absence of thriving extraterrestrial civilizations suggests that at least one of the steps from humble planet to interstellar civilization is exceedingly unlikely. The absence could be caused because either intelligent life is extremely rare or intelligent life has a tendency to go extinct. This bottleneck for the emergence of alien civilizations from any one of the many billions of planets is referred to as the Great Filter. Are we alone? What exactly is causing this bottleneck has been the subject of debate for more than 50 years. Explanations could include a paucity of Earth-like planets or self-replicating molecules. Other possibilities could be an improbable jump from simple prokaryotic life (cells without specialized parts) to more complex eukaryotic life – after all, this transition took well over a billion years on Earth. Proponents of this “Rare Earth” hypothesis also argue that the evolution of complex life requires an exceedingly large number of perfect conditions. In addition to Earth being in the habitable zone of the sun, our star must be far enough away from the galactic center to avoid destructive radiation, our gas giants must be massive enough to sweep asteroids from Earth’s trajectory, and our unusually large moon stabilizes the axial tilt that gives us different seasons. These are just a few prerequisites for complex life. The emergence of symbolic language, tools and intelligence could require other such “perfect conditions” as well. Or is the filter ahead of us?http://mashable.com/2014/04/23/habitable-planets-human-extinction/The argument that you present is fatally flawed, and here is why. Take a look at the time sequences contained in it. Time 0: No Earth style exo planets have been found. Time 1: Earth style exo planets FOUND! Prior to time 1, a valid argument would be "Maybe there are no aliens because conditions for life don't exist". After Time 1, that cannot be said. The argument shifts to "But why haven't we seen them?" Maybe because you just got the first glimpse of the planets that might have created them? They are, you know, somewhat smaller than the planet. Now when you can read license plates on exo planets, then let's talk about whether you found aliens or not. Yes, you need an optical interferometry based telescope array on the Moon or in orbit to do that kind of crazy shit. |
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Women with their daughters walking around naked in public while I take their pictures with my google glass then post everything on twitter? Why should anyone be against that? That is the definition of progress  lol.... I am not against public nudity. I am also progressive, as long as all this drama is not funded by the taxpayer money. Perhaps rather than limiting this to the US / EU, these women should spread the message to Africa and the Middle East. Ultimately one has to look underneath the surface labels like "feminist" and "environmentalist" to determine if the stated goal sets and action items are simply part of a collectivist agenda, as opposed to a defense and a affirmation of individual rights. |
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By the time you boiling frogs realize it, it will be too late for you already.
Click my name and then click "read latest posts" to dig into the supporting evidence I have posted over the past few weeks.
For those who want to opt-out of this coming hell, you had better figure out which train to board...
...and stop wasting your time reading all of this bla bla bla, which can't help you.
Well, I'd have to disagree with the end Apocalypse you envision, as well as that the Warmies fantasize about. The reasons for optimism or pessimism or both, about the human condition and it's future is certainly a worthy subject, and no more would we all agree today, than would people have agreed at any time in the past on such a subject. But my reasons for disagreement fall more into the technical, than the philosophical. I am not arguing for an end. I am merely pointing out that death of half of the world's population due to collectivism (and its repeating end game of totalitarianism and world war), is a repeating event throughout human history. And yet you seem to think it never happens?  Ah, then I catch your drift. True, eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, does not matter what society or time or version of collectivism. |
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These are not real sluts. Real sluts can't speael their words right. These are not the sluts you are looking for. |
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Perhaps we are the first technical civilization in our galaxy? Someone has to be the first.
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Perhaps we are the first technical civilization in our galaxy? Someone has to be the first.
Ah, very unlikely. The theory of stellar evolution indicates that many generations of star systems - with planets - have come and gone. Some of those you can reckon had smart folks. Where did they go? Assume, for the moment that interstellar dust makes physical travel between star systems pretty much impossible. Where, indeed? They do not talk with us just like we do not talk with bugs... |
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By the time you boiling frogs realize it, it will be too late for you already.
Click my name and then click "read latest posts" to dig into the supporting evidence I have posted over the past few weeks.
For those who want to opt-out of this coming hell, you had better figure out which train to board...
...and stop wasting your time reading all of this bla bla bla, which can't help you.
Well, I'd have to disagree with the end Apocalypse you envision, as well as that the Warmies fantasize about. The reasons for optimism or pessimism or both, about the human condition and it's future is certainly a worthy subject, and no more would we all agree today, than would people have agreed at any time in the past on such a subject. But my reasons for disagreement fall more into the technical, than the philosophical. |
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But any really strong points that were made have been buried in endless jokes back and forth.
I am all for a good laugh, but this is a very serious matter imo.
Actually, I will argue these matters at the theoretical level and am decently conversant in them. That's occurred a dozen or so times in this discussion. But there are deep strata of myth, faith and neo-religious thought running through the entire circus, as well as the New Age Science. |
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I think people hate environmentalists because they talk about sacrificing your way of living. Not defending them, just simply think that's the most logical reason.
I have something of a grudging admiration for anyone who talks the talk and walks the walk, more ++ to the extent they walk instead of talk. Now those sniveling conceited power hungry blockheads that just want to force me to do one thing or another... |
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You can see some photos of the mall where I was today. Young employees of the DENR (Dept of Environment and Natural Resources) were handing out brochures with "Global Warming" in scary red blood dripping vampire-like font. The global conspiracy is paying the people to spread this nonsense as gospel. I tried to explain to these youthful employees that this is all lies and it is part of a global plan to indoctrinate the people how to be good slaves and submit to various taxes and multi-national corporate control. We are moving into the end game of Fascism and headed into Mad Max totalitarianism. By the time you boiling frogs realize it, it will be too late for you already. Click my name and then click "read latest posts" to dig into the supporting evidence I have posted over the past few weeks. For those who want to opt-out of this coming hell, you had better figure out which train to board... ...and stop wasting your time reading all of this bla bla bla, which can't help you. So basically The DNR is the new Jehova's witness  Here is the way it works. You get a little serving of tornado and hurricane myths. You probably already knew more than what they dished out. And you get a big serving of man is the cause of this, and man is evil, and vote for OUR GUY, because he's not evil he's positively saint like, and if we work together we can save the world, you and I, but there's a limited time to ACT, and we have to ACT NOW. Take urgent action now, brother, and we'll walk with you. The way will be hard, but the righteous are the true friends of Gaia, and even when the hurricane whips through your tiny island and your friends and family lash themselves to the tops of palm trees, when you see their trees fall one by one to the storm and the rising waters, your tree shall remain strong, and you will live and prosper. |
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You do not have to pay for JonDoBrowser.
Yes it's based on Tor.
I am still pretty concerned about browser fingerprinting.
There's no use to Tor if your browser can be ID'ed as unique...
If your browser can pass "the test" by giving less than 21 unique identifying pieces of info, I'll try it.
er that addresses the issue of browser fingerprinting.
Just delete some of the system fonts? |
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I don't really post in this thread anymore - too disheartening - but thought I should pop in every so often to remind you both that you're doing feminists a disservice by finding the most silly-sounding examples you can find and implying that they represent the views of most feminists.
Spoiler alert guys: the internet is big[citation needed] - you will never run out of people saying daft things. Meanwhile, feminists are fighting important fights all over the world, against all kinds of backward people, and they're winning.
Examples? The never ending, very important fight against Sarah Palin? |
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The Spanish solar taxes.etc were imposed by the Socialist government (led by PSOE). This is not an one-off incident. They created many similar crazy taxes. No wonder they were demolished during the 2011 elections.
In the interests of maximum efficiency.... I can't see a problem with taxing people who buy and use INEFFICIENT types of power generating equipment. This would include numerous styles of so called "green or renewable" energy implementations. PV solar has gotten much more efficient, thus it might be taxed nominally. Penalize buying into a fad, essentially. But maybe that's got disadvantages too, as it would restrict the natural growth of new energy sources. |
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