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1361  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 06, 2015, 02:37:55 AM
yes, someone is presumably selling 18 k of coins for 4 million. Cheesy
1362  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 06, 2015, 01:15:27 AM
they dont need to buy anything, they got more than enough in cold storage to honour all missing coins.

1363  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 11:23:44 PM
https://blockchain.info/address/1L2JsXHPMYuAa9ugvHGLwkdstCPUDemNCf


timestamp of the last trascaction -> 10:12.

bitstamp down from 10:12.



so they sent the funds to cold storage. And there is no issue I am hoping.  Smiley


the question here is whose cold storage is that.

They stopped with deposits 3h before last transaction...


doesnt mean anything really, because someone could have sent his coins to the stamp's hacked hot wallet addresses.


in fact, I will send 1 satoshie to my old stamp address right about now just for fun.

To tarmi : Some new transactions can be seen on the "Hack" address. Could you see if some of these satoshis come from your address?


aaand its gone.

my satoshis are gone.

confirmed.
1364  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2015, 05:44:27 PM
Major bitcoin exchange suspended after price plunge

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102309754

"Some, however, are not buying this explanation.
"Don't believe Bitstamp. It's a matter of liquidity," Jeffrey Robinson, author "BitCon: The Naked Truth about Bitcoin" wrote to CNBC. "Who's next? It's as if Bitstamp realized they couldn't internalize the risk anymore so just decided, Let's suspend operations until everything settles down."

Cheesy

go bears.
1365  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 05:08:56 PM
https://blockchain.info/address/1L2JsXHPMYuAa9ugvHGLwkdstCPUDemNCf


timestamp of the last trascaction -> 10:12.

bitstamp down from 10:12.



so they sent the funds to cold storage. And there is no issue I am hoping.  Smiley


the question here is whose cold storage is that.

They stopped with deposits 3h before last transaction...


doesnt mean anything really, because someone could have sent his coins to the stamp's hacked hot wallet addresses.


in fact, I will send 1 satoshie to my old stamp address right about now just for fun.

To tarmi : Some new transactions can be seen on the "Hack" address. Could you see if some of these satoshis come from your address?


no.

Everything sent to that address since this morning is dust, apart from a 0.79556526 BTC deposit an hour and a half ago. Why would someone send 0.79556526 BTC there?


nobody did deposit directly to that address.

my guess is that someone did not read the notification and sent 0.79 btc to his old bitstamp address.

That would suggest Bitstamp's system must be partially running, and it has not been given a new hot wallet address to use. I would have expected Bitstamp to update it's system to use a new hot wallet address if it had lost control of it's old one.



if they lost control of the old wallet that doesnt mean that old addresses arent valid. they are, but I assume they are compromised.

1366  Economy / Speculation / Re: When Stamp re-opens will the price rise or fall? on: January 05, 2015, 05:05:52 PM
If they open for trading but there's suspicion they're no longer fully solvent, withdrawing BTC will be the fastest exit. BitstampBTC may therefore trade higher than other market's BTC IOUs.  

What if the hacker sells the 18k BTC on Bitstamp? (if they're stolen)


that would be stupid thing to do, dont you think?

better to offload coins in a distant land like China.
1367  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 04:40:52 PM
https://blockchain.info/address/1L2JsXHPMYuAa9ugvHGLwkdstCPUDemNCf


timestamp of the last trascaction -> 10:12.

bitstamp down from 10:12.



so they sent the funds to cold storage. And there is no issue I am hoping.  Smiley


the question here is whose cold storage is that.

They stopped with deposits 3h before last transaction...


doesnt mean anything really, because someone could have sent his coins to the stamp's hacked hot wallet addresses.


in fact, I will send 1 satoshie to my old stamp address right about now just for fun.

To tarmi : Some new transactions can be seen on the "Hack" address. Could you see if some of these satoshis come from your address?


no.
1368  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2015, 04:31:21 PM
Is crypto done??  Huh
Yes. What will you do now?

move to ripple, ofc.
1369  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 02:08:25 PM



"the bulk" meaning some coins are indeed missing.

so it is confirmed.   Grin


0.1 btc fee is huge for any transaction.

also, I noticed that only addresses who had bitcoins deposited in the last 24 h are on the list. so I guess those addresses were compromised.
1370  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 02:02:00 PM
no panic dude, that address was collecting bitcoins from compromised bitstamp addresses for 24 h.

Maybe a typo then or just generosity, either way it says nothing about who the wallet's owner is.


well, we do know that stamp uses standard fees 0.0001 when moving coins.

here we have some transactions with 0.55, 1 BTC, 0.1 BTC fees.


You can't use standard fees when moving that many coins from that many addresses in one go
Gonna take too much time to confirm




not true.

the fees have nothing to do with the number of coins.
1371  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 01:57:38 PM
no panic dude, that address was collecting bitcoins from compromised bitstamp addresses for 24 h.

Maybe a typo then or just generosity, either way it says nothing about who the wallet's owner is.


well, we do know that stamp uses standard fees 0.0001 when moving coins.

here we have some transactions with 0.55, 1 BTC, 0.1 BTC fees.
1372  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 01:52:01 PM
That 18k BTC wallet could also be Bitstamp moving coins around or to safety, where's the proof those coins are in the hands of the supposed hacker?

timestamps of the transactions match perfectly with the attack

huge and non standard miner fees

That's not proof. Stamp could have set high fees also to move those coins as quickly as possible after they discovered the breach.
So there's two possibilities:

1) Bitstamp are being stupid
2) Bitstamp were hacked by someone stupid

Well, that's encouraging. Cheesy

Well people generally act stupid in a state of panic. A wallet breach sure must have sent Stamp owners' heart rates to new all time highs. Tongue


no panic dude, that address was collecting bitcoins from compromised bitstamp addresses for 24 h.
1373  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 01:47:42 PM
That 18k BTC wallet could also be Bitstamp moving coins around or to safety, where's the proof those coins are in the hands of the supposed hacker?

timestamps of the transactions match perfectly with the attack

huge and non standard miner fees

That's not proof. Stamp could have set high fees also to move those coins as quickly as possible after they discovered the breach.


no. coins will not move any faster if you put 1 btc fee.

someone was generous with the fees.
1374  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 01:35:32 PM
That 18k BTC wallet could also be Bitstamp moving coins around or to safety, where's the proof those coins are in the hands of the supposed hacker?

timestamps of the transactions match perfectly with the attack

huge and non standard miner fees
1375  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2015, 01:30:15 PM
This Bitstamp issue might even turn out to be positive...
Once they resume operation and refund any missing coins, it will prove that the bitcoin ecosystem and especially the exchanges are maturing...

We are talking millions lost....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914622.msg10045302#msg10045302

Bitstamp is big and profiting for years.

They can survive some million loss without collapsing like Gox

Could be stamp moving coins to safety, not sure yet if these coins are stamps and/or stolen.


no.

they would use standard miner fees for moving their coins to safety, not 1 btc fees.

1376  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2015, 01:12:33 PM
This Bitstamp issue might even turn out to be positive...
Once they resume operation and refund any missing coins, it will prove that the bitcoin ecosystem and especially the exchanges are maturing...

We are talking millions lost....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914622.msg10045302#msg10045302


they are not millions yet.

someone needs to cash them out.  Grin
1377  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2015, 12:41:37 PM
ok, I am now positive that 18 k of coins were stolen.

I am cool with that, cause I went full fiat long time ago.

stamp wont be the next gox, not until fiat withdrawals are working.

and good luck bulls! you are gonna need it.
1378  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 12:15:18 PM
Quote
Customer deposits made prior to January 5th, 2015 9:00 UTC are fully covered by Bitstamp’s reserves.

This corresponds well with timestamp of last transactions for 18k address, so this seems to be Bitstamp cold storage.



no it doesnt. 2 more transactions after that.


So transactions sent in block 337581 (up to 9:00:15) could only have been received by 10:11:44


no. it doesnt work like that.

that transaction was included in block 337588.

...


also I noticed random miner fees included with transactions. some transactions got random 0.1~0.5 btc fees, another one 1 btc!


https://blockchain.info/tx/07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8


someone was in a hurry. Cheesy

1379  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 11:45:04 AM
Quote
Customer deposits made prior to January 5th, 2015 9:00 UTC are fully covered by Bitstamp’s reserves.

This corresponds well with timestamp of last transactions for 18k address, so this seems to be Bitstamp cold storage.



no it doesnt. 2 more transactions after that.
1380  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitstamp 18,000 bitcoins stolen? on: January 05, 2015, 11:34:28 AM
https://blockchain.info/address/1L2JsXHPMYuAa9ugvHGLwkdstCPUDemNCf


timestamp of the last trascaction -> 10:12.

bitstamp down from 10:12.



so they sent the funds to cold storage. And there is no issue I am hoping.  Smiley


the question here is whose cold storage is that.

They stopped with deposits 3h before last transaction...


doesnt mean anything really, because someone could have sent his coins to the stamp's hacked hot wallet addresses.


in fact, I will send 1 satoshie to my old stamp address right about now just for fun.
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