Legal action is definitely possible. This article has some interesting info on suing a Chinese Company from the U.S.- http://www.chinalawb...ted_states.html According to a business lawyer friend of mine, the FTC can request that a Chinese company's funds be frozen while litigation takes place. He also said that U.S. companies and consumers sue Chinese companies often, and that they have decent success. I personally haven't considered it yet, but if someone is willing to organize a class action suit, I'm sure plenty of people would be willing to join. I wish BA understood that all they need to do is tell everyone what is going on, and agree to a good compensation plan. I'm positive this would make many customers happy and willing to wait a bit longer. ( The compensation would need to be at least 3x at minimum, but they have the equipment.) If they don't act soon I'm sure we'll see legal action begin. I just hope BA isn't waiting for that to happen before they start delivering. Just my 2 pennies. If they were going to boost compensation, they would have done so long ago. It's just a stall tactic to keep people placated. The minion products are a total loss at this point. All customers have been screwed. It's time for BA to own up to that fact. |
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BA has upgraded their customer post deletion bot; it now scans the thread several times a second looking for customer posts to delete.
At least they're efficient at that. That's something else they have in common with BFL, along with the criminal past of the company founders. |
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I believe that we have already informed our customers of this: We are currently waiting for CE to check the X3. Until completed, no shipment can be made.
We would like to ask forum users to stop flooding the thread with obscene messages.
Thank you for your patience.
Provide refunds to those who have requested them and the obscene messages will surely cease. Until then, you will continue to reap what you have sown. When will this be completed? When will my orders be sent? It's been almost a year now. How did you expect this to have come together in February? Are we getting some 14nm chips in these for compensation?
The 14nm chips are merely a figment of someone's imagination at this point. |
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Posted by Truth_Seeker at ecointalk, thought it would also be good to have here in case BA deletes it (as they are wont to do): Truth_Seeker, on 24 Sept 2014 - 7:20 PM, said: I suggest everyone makes a police report ASAP. Links: Hong Kong police cyber crime department because their corps are in Hong Kong https://secure1.info.gov.hk/police/eforms/report_cyber_crime_en.php UK Action Fraud because their banking is in the UK http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ The names you should mention are Daniel Andronic -> Facebook page -> https://www.facebook.com/daniel.andronic.77 The bank information of black arrow is as follows: Beneficiary company name: Destino LIMITED Beneficiary company address: Edwards Place, 240 Kings Road, Reading, RG1 4NY, United Kingdom Message to beneficiary: >>> fill in here your order number. For exampleOrder #3333 <<< Beneficiary bank name: Metro Bank Beneficiary bank address: 201 Broad Street Mall, Reading, RG 1 7QA, United Kingdom Beneficiary country: United Kingdom Swift code: MYMBGB2LXXX Please select your preferred currency on our website in order to obtain the total amount of your order and pay to one of these accounts: EUR Account Number: 13633018, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB31MYMB23058013633018 USD Account number: 13633045, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB78MYMB23058013633045 GBP Account Number: 13631317, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB77MYMB23058013631317 I suggest everyone do this before they delete my post because this forum is owned by them! I just sent my report to the HK Police - it took all of 5 minutes. I didn't report to UK Action Fraud because I'm an early customer and wired my money directly to a HK bank. As the BFL smackdown shows, if enough people complain, the authorities have to respond at some point. If you're a BA victim, you don't have anything to lose anyway, because they are refusing refunds and only slowly ship now-worthless (or even exploding) mining equipment. |
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So far there hasn't been a single link to a government website containing a press release about any "raids".
Every "report" posted here and on reddit has been carefully crafted to sound plausible and informed. It could very well be that this is nothing but a FUD campaign and that absolutely nothing actually happened. (i.e. you've all been played)
Has anyone actually bothered going to BFL's offices in KC to check things out?
*sound of crickets*
Didn't think so.
At least three people are on record on this forum stating that they did indeed check it out, verifying the claim. Again, if it were not true, don't you think that Bruce or Josh would be here sticking it up our asses for spreading false rumors? They have not going on four days now since this past Friday, ergo a major event occurred at Camp BFL, and chickens are not being fed due their owner being in jail in an opposite ward where Sonny Vleisides is also currently being held. Josh is playing the Schultz card... Posting under a screen name on a public message board is hardly "going on record". Pics or it didn't happen. Let's see some timestamped, geotagged selfies at BFL HQ. The MSM and the FTC are saying it now. Acceptable enough for you mate or is it all still rumours as far as your concerned? Id feel like a real dick about now if i had taken such a combative attitude on the issue. It's just a particularly persistent rumor... |
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 We meet at last... |
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So far there hasn't been a single link to a government website containing a press release about any "raids".
Every "report" posted here and on reddit has been carefully crafted to sound plausible and informed. It could very well be that this is nothing but a FUD campaign and that absolutely nothing actually happened. (i.e. you've all been played)
Has anyone actually bothered going to BFL's offices in KC to check things out?
*sound of crickets*
Didn't think so.
At least three people are on record on this forum stating that they did indeed check it out, verifying the claim. Again, if it were not true, don't you think that Bruce or Josh would be here sticking it up our asses for spreading false rumors? They have not going on four days now since this past Friday, ergo a major event occurred at Camp BFL, and chickens are not being fed due their owner being in jail in an opposite ward where Sonny Vleisides is also currently being held. Josh is playing the Schultz card... Posting under a screen name on a public message board is hardly "going on record". Pics or it didn't happen. Let's see some timestamped, geotagged selfies at BFL HQ. That's not going to happen because of the gag orders they're all subject to. But given Josh's proclivities to give everyone a quarter and invite them to buy a clue at the slightest sign of unjustified criticism, don't you think he'd be out on every board, barrels blazing, denying the "rumors" if they weren't true? Instead, all that is offered is a promise to check the "very persistent" rumors, followed by Schlock locking the thread. As I stated in another thread, that is anything but a denial. |
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They're not gonna!
So you might as well stop. Pretty please? You're really detracting from the utility of this thread. |
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Re-posted it here so it can't be deleted by BA. I just received in the mail the Prospero X-1 that I requested a refund on several times over the last several months. It showed up and I said to myself, "Son of a bitch, it's here. I may as well cut my loses and use it." So I took it inside and plugged it in. After plugging it in and setting it to the right pool/worker I noticed it was running very hot. I examined the outside of the box and noticed that the fan was not spinning. I figured, maybe it was being obstructed by something, so I disconnected it and used a paper clip to manually give the fan a little push. It spun around fine, so I figured it must be a fluke and that I should try it again. So I plugged it back in and was immediately greeted by a loud pop and a shower of sparks. I'm repackaging the device now and taking it back to UPS to refuse delivery and have it shipped back to minersource. You now owe me a full refund plus the cost of shipping it back to you. Just be thankful I'm not trying to sue you for personal endangerment.
That's just the kind of quality control we've come to expect from BA through their warm and cuddly X3 line. Nice to see they're consistent, at least. |
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Why was this moved to service discussions?
They got served? |
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They won't. They'll either ship you their now-worthless miners, ship you equally worthless chips, or ship you nothing. Why? Because fuck you, that's why. |
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Did anybody else have to pay import duties (I'm US based) for the shipment? I have received a postcard asking me to go dhlmypayment.us
I saw the website but did not enter my information. More scam concerned than anything; never received a tracking number and my store account still says "processed".
Who did you order from? If you ordered directly from China or from the UK, you have to expect to pay customs duties. All the same, in your place, I would neither pay nor accept the shipment, because it's tacit acceptance of their delivery. Their miners are already obsolete before you even plug them in. No sense in throwing good money after bad. |
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For the record - I didn't receive my order.
Oh? Did you try to downclock it? It can work at 0.5w GH. at 40 GH/S total Consumption about 25w, if you remove fan and LCD as well place smaller fan like 20 x 20 mm it will be even less. Best i got was 19 W per 40 GH, and it worked without fan. Just don't forget that you can ruin PSU without any cooling applied.
Guess some people never heard about remote access. You can access X-1 remotely and don't need to have it on hand. Figure the rest if you are so good at assigning titles.
I didn't know you could remove fans through remote access. Keep trying and your logic will fail over and over, you can ask someone to do that remotely? No. Good try, lets continue shall we? You're obviously too stupid to be an effective shill. Did your mother drop you on the head when you were a child? |
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im guessing that they havent been issuing any refunds yet?
They claim they have no money to issue refunds, because they spent all the funds on parts for the purchased miners, and those exploding power supplies don't come cheap. Yet if you request a refund, they offer to send you minion (ASIC) chips instead. Makes you wonder what they're going to do with all those parts they bought if everyone elects to get minion chips. Knowing BA, the chips will probably explode, too. |
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Lots of words
BA promised to deliver miners in February. They didn't. BA promised to refund people in April. They haven't and have stated that they won't. BA promised to ship miners that don't explode. They do. Nothing but empty promises and lies from BA for over a year. But don't call them out on it, or their sensitive engineers will get a sad. Anyone who is on BA's side at this point is either a shill or a complete moron. Or perhaps both. |
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Half is better than 0 if your electricity is expensive? Well it's up to you anyway if you want to do that or not.
Yes, it is. But I'm never going to break even earning $1 a week. WTF is your point, anyway? Are you a BA shill, little newbie? |
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I received my X-1 today. And now the fan doesn't spin up.  After several months of waiting the only thing I can do with it is playing some Android games.  And I thought it can't get worse... I saw on their forum that sometimes the fan connectors are installed backward. try flipping it. Tried it already. But it didn't work. The fan is definitely broken. I connected a CPU fan to the connector on the X-1 and it spinned up. Then I connected the X-1 fan (some Cooler Master 200mm fan) to a motherboard as chassis fan and nothing happened. You should complain! The unit is obviously faulty! Let us know how that RMA goes. This time they're really quick. Not even 12 hours after opening the ticket I got a tracking number for a replacement fan. WoW, totally unexpected. How is it with that X1, how many procent of you inital investment do you think you can get back? I think the only way I will get anything back is by selling it on ebay. Even then it will be a loss. As energy costs are quite high here in Germany it will produce even more losses when switching it on. Did you try to downclock it? It can work at 0.5w GH. at 40 GH/S total Consumption about 25w, if you remove fan and LCD as well place smaller fan like 20 x 20 mm it will be even less. Best i got was 19 W per 40 GH, and it worked without fan. 40GH earns you $2.18 per week at the current difficulty. You pay just over half of that in electricity at current German prices. So not making a loss, correct, but no chance to break even either. A couple more difficulty increases will kill even that meager profit margin. Thanks to BA's eternal delays, not a single customer will ever have a chance at breaking even on their purchase price, unless the price of BTC skyrockets again. |
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What they sold:  What people get: The resemblance is uncanny, isn't it? |
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that removal process can leave pins touching as in the video causing shorting out great solution BA.
Their manual upgrade virtually guarantees that the miners will no longer explode, in line with their promise. They never promised the miners wouldn't short out. |
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