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141  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season on: October 08, 2022, 05:14:55 PM
Manchester United's performance has been poor since the previous season. They have a lot of talented players in their squad. But due to the lack of bonding between the players, they are not able to play well. Also their match strategy is weak. But now their performance is slowly stabilizing. Hopefully we will get a better performance from United this season than last season.

6 goals from Manchester City and 2 goals from Omonia I would not call stabilization. And in general, even in those games where Manchester United wins, they do not play from a position of strength - basically they play from a defensive position and wait for their chance. This strategy works (sometimes) against favorites like Arsenal, Liverpool, but against weaker teams this strategy will often result in draws which is a big loss of points. I think it's too early to assume that Manchester United has stabilized.
142  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: October 08, 2022, 05:04:54 PM
Signing Haaland really changed things, but maybe it's not as good for Guardiola as it seems. After all, now if Manchester City does not win the Champions League again, but already with Haaland, the management may lose patience and try next season not to change the squad, but to replace the coach. And judging by the interview that Guardiola gave at the beginning of the season where he talked about his future extension or non-renewal of the contract with Manchester City, he understands this.
It would be nice for Manchester City to keep Pep Guardiola to stay with them and extend his contract. Because he has created a solid squad and it would be a shame if they had to part when things were going well. Maybe it's true, the Champions League is the reason for Manchester City's management, but I'm sure Pep Guardiola will present it if he is believed to be in charge of Manchester City longer. He still deserves to be given a chance, because if they insist on changing coaches on the grounds of the Champions League trophy there is no guarantee with a new coach they will get it, in fact I think it will destroy the chemistry that has been created at Manchester City.

I don't think that the owners of the City have such a deep understanding of football - for them it's just an expensive toy. They have a lot of Premier League titles, they are the most expensive players in the world and they have long wanted to win the Champions League, so once again without getting what they want, I think they can take such a drastic measure - a change of coach. There are several coaches in the world with a reputation of UCL hunter - Zidane, Ancelotti, Mourinho and a few others (probably), sooner or later they will be able to persuade one of them to take Manchester City and try to win the Champions League.
In addition, Guardiola himself may want some changes - if I remember correctly in Barcelona, ​​he was also not so long to get bored with La Liga (and in the Bundesliga too).
143  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 on: October 08, 2022, 04:53:06 PM
To be honest, I don’t understand what Niemann was counting on when he started cheating? Chess is a completely calculated game, therefore, having all his games in the history (as well as any other chess player), it is impossible to hide the fact of cheating - some statistical parameter will give you away.
He probably did it for the very same reason that we see cheating on sports, very quickly people realize that the only ones that get any attention are the top performers and they earn way more money than the rest of their peers, and they also realize they have no chance of reaching that level, they are good but they are not that good, so they see in cheating a way to try to get to their goal, but they forget that no matter how good they are at hiding what they are doing they are going to eventually get caught.

Yes, in the end it all comes down to making a profit. Niemann has cheated in 10 cash prize tournaments, and chess.com is ready to defend this point of view in court (since they published their report). It surprises me that after such a scandal, there are still no sanctions from FIDE - they just created a commission to determine if he cheated in games over the board.

Confirmed swindler, thief and scum without any problems participates in the US Chess Championship.
By the way, today there will be an interesting game between Niemann and Caruana https://www.uschesschamps.com/2022-us-championships/pairings-results
144  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling Distortion Pattern on: October 08, 2022, 04:23:52 PM
Because of the house edge, all of these patters will end up in max loss if you keep playing.

The only way to avoid the house edge is playing once, wagering everything you are comfortable with losing.

Then the chart will look like one of these:





Every other little step between the first and the last step are only there to get you one step closer to the max loss.

Play once, either win big or lose big.

This!
The charts that the OP showed are highly dependent on the number of bets and randomness, for example, the first chart can be obtained using Martingale, but at point 5 (or 6, etc.) there will always be a maximum loss. In fact, it is not clear why complicate simple things and break them into special cases if the most important thing is general patterns. From the fact that we will see several graphs of special cases of gambling, nothing will change.
145  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] YAS.BET Signature Campaign |Full+| 5 SPOTS OPEN | Earn Up to 75$/Week ! on: October 08, 2022, 04:15:21 PM
Hey! Gianluca95

I looked at the spreadsheet and it seems to me that the last post of last week for me should be 2481, and not 2496 as noted now.
Could you fix this so that there is no confusion when counting the posts of the current week?

Thank you!
146  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is It An Easy Transition From Gamer To Gambler In Casino. on: October 08, 2022, 04:07:49 PM
When you open loot boxes in CS or any game in which the gameplay is related to your skills and skill level, how does this negate the fact that the very opening of a loot box is gambling? If we are talking about the game and account development, then it is obvious that this is not gambling, but an ordinary game where someone plays well, and someone plays badly. But if we evaluate such things as loot boxes separately, then this is very close to gambling.
I don't know about loot boxes in CS but in MMO it depends on the rarity of the box and how much your luck is to gain the best drop you can get.
Then, the system will provide what will be the content of the loot box.
It's not a gamble, it's success base and luck base.
I'd rather compare gacha games where you pull items from wishes where it's mostly paid to be a gamble than the former.
In MMO, you didn't really pay, you are grinding which means even a free to play gamer can receive the same.

I understand what you are talking about, but it seems to me that we are not discussing grinding in games - where everyone is equal at a distance, that is, roughly speaking, if you grind for 100 hours, then on average you will get 2 S things, 10 A things, etc. We are talking about buying additional boxes from which you can get items that are not otherwise available in the game. And this is very similar to gambling. Because there is no "buying a sword for 100 dollars" but there is buying a lottery ticket to get a sword and in the end the price of the sword can be several thousand dollars if you are unlucky and let's say 5 dollars if you are lucky. How is this different from gambling?
147  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: October 07, 2022, 07:57:46 PM
Barcelona have huge financial problems (if I'm not mistaken they still have a debt to Messi even now) so there is no chance that Messi will return to Barcelona. In my opinion, Messi can go to MLS and earn a lot of money there in a season or two, and in his position it will be the best solution, as it was already written above, age makes itself felt and it will soon become more and more obvious that he does not correspond to the level of a top club.
They are not "that" much in financial trouble anymore, plus what people are talking about is Messi getting a huge pay cut just to retire there, all of which could result with something much bigger. I am not saying that will happen, but if he comes in next year taking like 10-20 million euros instead of what he usually does, then I am sure that they could find that money somewhere.

Look at what they have done this year, they have spend a ton of money, more than almost any team in the world, and they could just replicate a small version of that to get Messi, which would make sense since they would financially recoup that back with just jersey sales alone.

How do you determine that they are "not so much" in financial trouble? If Barcelona don't have big financial problems then why do they owe just three players (Messi, Piqué and Busquets) more than 100 million? And these are only the largest debts to the players; there are even smaller ones.
And as you rightly say, they have spent a ton of money this season, but at the same time they risk leaving the Champions League after the group stage. If this happens, their financial situation will be greatly aggravated. In this position, signing Messi would be pure madness.
148  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Conference League 2022/23 Season on: October 07, 2022, 07:45:01 PM
There is a very interesting image in the UEFA Conference League Group G. All teams have 4 points and 0 goal average. This group is like a group of students cheating on an exam. Smiley))

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Great balance as Thanos would say, hahaha. But I must say that after three rounds this situation of the teams is quite likely, but if we see something like this after 6 rounds, then this will be a much rarer event. By the way, your comparison with students is also good in the sense that, for example, all these teams look like newcomers to me, and of all of them, I heard only about Slavia.
149  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: October 07, 2022, 07:35:57 PM
Napoli have impressed everyone by their incredible performance so far. Even though they have tough opponents like Liverpool and Ajax in the group they are still playing like they are much stronger than both of them. They defeated Liverpool 4-1 and did the same to Ajax by even a bigger score like 6-1. They are living the dream now and I assume they would finish the group as the leader as well.

However I'm curious about their performance against other big teams. This performance deserves to play in the semi final at least I believe. Because they are one of the most performing teams of the group stage already.

Napoli is really surprising - they are simultaneously leading both in Serie A and in their Champions League group, and after such big victories over competitors, in order to stay in first place, they only need to defeat the Rangers once in a home game and not lose much (this is the worst option but they can even win or draw). The problem is that the play-offs will only start in February and it is unlikely that Napoli will maintain their current form by then.
150  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: October 06, 2022, 12:24:06 PM
IMO, there are a lot of possibilities that will happen. it is possible, Messi will continue his contract with PSG, but until now there is no clarity about the continuation of Messi's contract at PSG. some sports news reported, Messi was reluctant to continue his contract with PSG.

on the other hand, the closeness of Messi and Xavi is very closely intertwined. there are many possibilities that Messi will end his career at Camp Nou, but what is certain is that currently Messi still has a contract with PSG, and he and the team will try to realize the Club's dream of becoming champions league champions.

Barcelona have huge financial problems (if I'm not mistaken they still have a debt to Messi even now) so there is no chance that Messi will return to Barcelona. In my opinion, Messi can go to MLS and earn a lot of money there in a season or two, and in his position it will be the best solution, as it was already written above, age makes itself felt and it will soon become more and more obvious that he does not correspond to the level of a top club.
151  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: October 06, 2022, 11:52:55 AM
Yes, we agree on this. it is only a matter of time for Bayern to return to the top of the table, Nagelsmann has returned his squad to its former form. in the last two matches they were able to create 9 goals, and 5 of them came from a win over Viktoria in the champions league. only two points difference with Union Berlin and Freiburg, it is not something difficult for Bayern to catch up with them.
next week, an important game for Bayern and of course for Dortmund too. they have the same points, it's interesting, this game will present high tension.

Bookmakers evaluate this meeting as follows:

Borussia - 4.20

Draw - 4.70

Bayern - 1.67

In fact, it is difficult for me to choose which outcome with the corresponding odds looks profitable. 1.67 for a motivated Bayern that will play only to win against an unstable Borussia? Looks like an easy choice. On the other hand, 4.20 for the victory of Borussia, which from time to time can show a bright game and beat anyone. Also good. A draw with odds of 4.70 is also a good choice based on the statistics of Bayern's recent games. All choices are good hahaha.
152  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season on: October 06, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
Juve will most likely fall into Europa League from UCL groups as they only have 3 points in 3 games... . If this happens , I think Juve has a real chance to win an Europe trophy and please the fans that are waiting for such a trophy for so many years but if UCL can't be achieved , I'm sure they will gladly take Europa League if they can. However, until this , Juve still has low chances to get out of UCL groups.

Juventus have made it very difficult for themselves but they still have chances - everything will depend on the away game against Benfica. If Juventus can win then I will call them favorites for second place as in this case Juventus will have a good chance to take an extra 3 points in the home game against PSG in the last round as PSG will already be guaranteed in first place by then (unless it happens some additional miracles).
As for the arguments about winning the Europa League, I would say that based on last season, they are unfounded. All the favorites failed and they were not even in the final. Juventus have a tough fight in Serie A, so they won't be focusing on the Europa League.
153  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is It An Easy Transition From Gamer To Gambler In Casino. on: October 06, 2022, 11:12:51 AM
Unlike in gaming, you have to learn the strategies to progress into the game especially when you are playing MMORPG. Then, you will need the help of other players to make it come true.
This. The main core of most popular games nowadays, whether they have amazing or simple graphics is their complexity. They're games filled with puzzles, strategies, basically, stuff that make you progress by relying on your thinking, Casino games are much simpler than those, and they're mostly reliant on luck. I'd consider games close to being complex would be card games like poker, blackjack, but they're rather simple after you learn the rules, unlike other games that are ever evolving most of the time.

When you open loot boxes in CS or any game in which the gameplay is related to your skills and skill level, how does this negate the fact that the very opening of a loot box is gambling? If we are talking about the game and account development, then it is obvious that this is not gambling, but an ordinary game where someone plays well, and someone plays badly. But if we evaluate such things as loot boxes separately, then this is very close to gambling.
154  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: October 06, 2022, 11:05:23 AM
Suitable. We can't fully say that the 3-0 win over AC Milan can be said to be the beginning of Chelsea's revival, but it could be the start for coach Graham Potter to form the right strategy with the players owned by Chelsea.
We will see how their next match results when playing at AC Milan headquarters in the next round. Because English teams always have difficulty when dealing with Serie A teams in Italy.

Chelsea don't have to play to win in the second leg - a draw will suit them just fine (as Milan, by the way) so I think we won't understand much about the team's ability in the second leg. In the Champions League, Chelsea will be fine with a draw against Milan and two wins against much weaker opponents, so I'm guessing Potter's focus will now shift to the Premier League, where Chelsea are in a much tougher situation.
155  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: My worst day in gambling on: October 05, 2022, 01:43:00 PM
In Gambling we always lose more because we cannot control our greed. When luck favors me once, I continue gambling to get more. Many of us also do multiple gambling at the same time. Due to which large financial losses have to be faced. However, those who are professionals they always accept both profit and losses.

I wonder if betting and poker are removed, what gambling games remain where a professional can earn money (and therefore have such a professional attitude to profits and losses - calmly perceive them)? I can't remember anything else. In slots, dice, roulette, etc. you cannot influence the result of the game in any way, therefore you cannot be a professional in it (even if you calmly accept the result of the game), that is, make money on it.
156  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: October 05, 2022, 01:35:29 PM
Guardiola is using the money indeed. Signing Haaland helped him have just the squad he has been wishing for. This must be annoying for the other teams of course as nearly all of them aren't owned by rich people. This is making a huge difference for a team to dominate the league for so many years just as for example PSG have been doing it in the Ligue 1 also.

However we shouldn't forget about Guardiola's incredible game plan also. If Manchester City didn't have a great manager like him maybe they couldn't have won so many league titles this much easily. The only thing they lack now is the Champions League title and I believe in them to achieve it also after having a beast like Haaland.

Signing Haaland really changed things, but maybe it's not as good for Guardiola as it seems. After all, now if Manchester City does not win the Champions League again, but already with Haaland, the management may lose patience and try next season not to change the squad, but to replace the coach. And judging by the interview that Guardiola gave at the beginning of the season where he talked about his future extension or non-renewal of the contract with Manchester City, he understands this.
157  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Odds, units advantage | Sportsbook | +85933 units on: October 05, 2022, 01:27:31 PM
Yes, this is a vague explanation - in theory, whenever we bet we think it's value. Otherwise, what's the point of betting if we don't think it's profitable. But apparently you can say that you add your picks to this thread if you think they have much higher than average value.
Liverpool have lost points again and it really looks like this is a pattern and not a "temporary" difficulty.
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But yes, I definitely add picks here I think are much, much higher than average value. The biggest clue to me (but I have no science for this) is comparing on oddschecker, which uses fiat bookie odds. You can see the best odds from about 20 bookies there, and if you find something on P2P or with a price boost that's even 10% more than that, I'd call that value. Note that highest odds on oddschecker are usually promos with very small max bet usually so the average is a better sample.

Anyway, my odds comparison is the best among all crypto bookies I have, including price boosts, if any. They more or less take the same odds provider (Pinnacle) anyway, so it's really just juice that affects it.

Okay, I understand you. I will try to observe odds with the help of this service. It turns out that if we see an opportunity to place a bet with a crypto bookmaker with odds (with or without boost) that are at least a few percent better than the best odds from fiat bookmakers, then we should do it because this is a value bet.
I would like to know if anyone does this on a regular basis - probably if they do, they keep quiet about it so as not to spoil the market, hehe.
158  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think this is gambling? [Collectibles & Gambling] on: October 05, 2022, 01:12:45 PM
In fact, this is no different from loot boxes, and in many countries they are recognized as a form of gambling.

Indeed it is the same as loot boxes but I do not think that the government considered that gambling.  I believe it has something to do about trading cards where rarer cards are getting more expensive.  The value of the cards depends on the demand, as far as I know, value of cards changes from time to time.  It is more like NFT loot boxes if we compare it to today's technological trend.

Cards become more expensive only because initially there is no "fair" distribution of cards in sets (boxes) - the rarest cards obviously become more expensive. I think the governments still haven't equated this with gambling just because of the precedents - as soon as this issue goes beyond that niche, then these magic boxes will be regulated in the same way as loot boxes.

I see no reason why these collectibles/boxes cannot be considered gambling.

The main reason is that people spend money and got an item in return, a person spending money doesn't lose anything.  That is the main concept of loot boxes that separate them from gambling.

We may have a different point of view but the point here is the buyer doesn't lose money and have an item that is agreed upon purchase.

Those who sell loot boxes have long tried to avoid regulation using these tricks (the loot box is never empty - the buyer always gets something), but it did not help.
159  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is It An Easy Transition From Gamer To Gambler In Casino. on: October 05, 2022, 01:02:27 PM
I always consider gaming as gambling I have seen many gamblers spend a lot of money for their character and to level up their account for future profit, like selling their stuff and their character.

If you're a gamer or someone is a gamer and would like to try to gamble in online casinos will it become an easy transition as all the elements of gambling are present when you're a gamer, or does a gamer have to start all over again, and have a different motivation and mindset?

I think those who develop a character in a game in order to later sell an account or this character (in other words, they are engaged in grinding) have nothing to do with gambling. I've done this sort of thing myself and it's business as usual - basically you spend time on a service and then you sell it.
Another thing is if we are talking about loot boxes and the like - this is very close to gambling, and if you open loot boxes, then you get a feeling of excitement. Perhaps this can be a transitional link to regular gambling.
160  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 on: October 04, 2022, 05:05:47 PM
This is a completely different assessment than the accuracy that everyone is used to playing on chess.com. As I understand it, this is an assessment of moves relative to existing chess engines. The cheater doesn't have to play as the latest version of Stockfish, he can use a less advanced version or DeepFritz or Rybka etc. This evaluation checks the moves against any engine, so a smart cheater who uses different engines will still be caught.
And the peculiarity is that only those moves are analyzed here where the chess player is obliged to think independently - theoretical opening moves are excluded from the analysis, as well as forced moves.
And so now it turns out that the top grandmasters in their entire career can find at most one game close to 80-90 in their games, while Niemann has a dozen 100% games and a dozen 90% games in a few years.
In terms of mathematics, he is 100% a cheater.

Well according to all this, then it means that if several AIs are combined, it is possible for them to develop the perfect game? There will never be the human side that can get out of the usual or what we always call following the rules to reach a goal? Maybe it's what we've all always wanted to have, but now an AI doesn't give us a chance at anything, of course the man who uses it is obviously cheating, but I imagine that in all the platforms that it is for one to practice, play chess, we are playing against those processors, I think that these machines are very powerful, but even so I think that human thought can do a lot plus.

Yes, any modern chess program is better than any human, so even if you do not use it for the entire match and sometimes peep some moves, you will get a huge advantage over any human player.

interesting @Boristhecat
so we got a confirmation

There are more and more confirmations every day. Here is new work from a professional statistician and data engineer:
TOP URGENT! Strong EVIDENCE of CHEATING has been found on NIEMANN's Controversy

To be honest, I don’t understand what Niemann was counting on when he started cheating? Chess is a completely calculated game, therefore, having all his games in the history (as well as any other chess player), it is impossible to hide the fact of cheating - some statistical parameter will give you away.
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