Claimed ship date: January
Real ship date: March

I guess you missed the HERP DERP DRUNKEN WALL OF TEXT ASIAN BENEFACTORS

I guess you missed the people saying "omg people are refunding? I BETTER GET REFUND!!!111"

You just...you just repeated my points and called me an idiot for them....cannot....comprehend....the stupid...

Did it ever fit?

The normal definition of BFG is fine.

This unjustified assertion has no place in this thread.


It's normal for things to break if you hammer them with requests before initialization is finished.


This is surprisingly not a bad idea.


There's no need to beat a dead horse here.


It should be up to the server to decide what rate of shares it can accept, but if an unsolicited client version is to be added, then perhaps a "suggested minimum difficulty" could be added as well.

Wrong. They collapsed because Tom either scammed them or fucked up badly, leading to people refunding because people were refunding.

If delays were sufficient to cause a collapse, then BFL should logically have collapsed as well.

By this logic, it's better to murder someone and confess than to pretend to murder someone.

Take a look at their competitor. They flat out refuse to offer any refunds; they seem to be using pre order money for pretty much everything. BFL is the slightly lesser evil since they have, at the very least, honored every refund to date.


It's interesting how you set it up so they either "lose" and it's a scam, or they "win" and ship yet it's still wrong because gambling.


Going by the above criteria, they aren't really any legitimate suppliers.

Does it matter? It's easier to guarantee a complete update if you just image the whole flash; the unit should then exactly match fresh production units.

Does anyone want to take bets on whether the sale actually goes as planned this time?

I think everyone wanted this to be released. We all won.

Thanks. I did give Avalon a lot of shit about this, but the source release is much appreciated.

No misrepresentation at all!

I found it very misleading and only a little bit amusing.

In other words, they shift the goalposts back and forth when it's convenient for them. If you can't ship your fucking units in January, don't fucking say you're shipping in January. That was a hugely misleading move on their part.


In other words, they have refused, and think refusing is a good thing.


What the fuck? Nobody purposefully messes up their own pre-orders. I'm only saying that they were incompetent because they somehow managed to fuck it up. And yes, it's their fault. They had multiple options for payment providers and they picked one which has apparently never handled anything close to this level of demand. If they did their research, they would have picked a provider that had actually done load testing. Online shop fronts should be a solved problem by now...


I'm not suggesting that they should have spent hours upon hours talking to every customer. They must have a system for tracking orders (although it could be pen and paper, I guess. Technology is hard to use right?). It's not hard to have automatic email updates to customers when an order is in build, shipped etc. If they haven't gotten that far then they're fucking liars for suggesting that are building a dozen units per day. Maybe have a quick post every few days on here to keep track of overall progress. This wouldn't take even 1% of one team member's time; they could even do it while taking a shit.

Of course, they've taken the high level of demand as a license for shitting on the face of their customers instead. They know that even if they do that, many are still going to order. Yet, if BFL hasn't fucked up their chips, Avalon will be competing which a company that doesn't leave dark brown stains and a bad smell whenever you deal with them. Unless you troll them over boxes of fans.


Nice of them to be honest about their incompetence.


I don't think anyone really cares what I post about, but it's fun to aggressively take sides. There are enough with blind faith in Avalon (or paid off by them) on the other side to balance it out. Going by the thread title, you're basically expected to take a side.

A fair point.

They missed their deadline for a demo. They missed their deadline for an image release (which should have included source). They missed their deadline for 298 out of 300 units (sorry, shipping less than 1% of orders does not count). They refuse to keep those customers up to date. They claim to be open source but they keep delaying the source with poor excuses. They completely fucked up the batch #2 ordering. Again, they're not keeping batch #2 customers up to date. They don't even know when they will open batch #2 again for orders.

I think it's pretty reasonable for people to be annoyed at Avalon right now, and it's also pretty reasonable to be asking for them to release the source when they claim to be open source and use GPL software.

If you're a troll, I'm actually going to give you 4/10 because you managed to quite accurately imitate an Avalon fanboi.

No, if you want to claim that he is demanding free hardware, then you should prove it.

Why? Modern societies are very accepting of that kind of thing these days.

I've noticed a few leaps of logic in this thread. In particular:

"I'll support it if I get hardware" -> "I won't support it if I don't get hardware" -> "I expect to be expected to support it" -> "I expect to receive hardware"

Every leap is logically fallacious.