i wont get involved anymore but it does reek of a scam

delete all that spam pls

seawen, stop trying to scam ppl. obv scam for free coins is too obv

let's wait till the next testnet on the zoltchain i guess. I'm gonna refrain from saying scam for a while

@fish and mods, you're finally becoming more open to your investors, notice how the price is rebounding hard now? if you keep it up, you can probably hit 5k sats again, but you have to make sure that you put your investors first always. With you showing open progress, it will demonstrate that XBY isn't growing solely based on speculation and hype. I'll invest a bit more now as well and keep an eye on this project...and PURE, if it ever comes to cryptopia .

oh, no the point of my post was that the community has issues. there's a lack of communication and a cult mentality, the money part was because the other guy was spamming that I only wanted cheap XBY lol. But as you saw, I did make some positive posts about the project as well and suggest an AMA, so positive posts are FUD as well? if saying that the project can become something great is FUD if the problems were fixed...then what isn't FUD  

@aarell, the point of that post was that I didn't want cheap XBY, i'm not aiming to dox myself lol

so, it seems when I raise both valid points, i'm attacked, and when I raise invalid points i'm attacked...well, that might be for you guys, but what about all the other people on the reddit forum concerned about the issues with the project who would draw comfort from your answers on an open forum?

and if you sold at 2700 and it dropped, couldn't you just buy back in with more at a larger amount...what's the point of the hodl mentality? if it's self-gain that you're after and price, wouldn't that be the idea of not hodling? (at least in relation to your post, not anyone elses)

have you ever considered that the point of these posts is to simply give clarity to investors? if I make valid and positive posts, the least you could do is agree or disagree instead of rage attacking me lol

---> Now now, don't take everything I said the wrong way. XBY can be a good project, but it has alot of problems. I have an issue with the shameless shilling and cult mentality, not the tech so much. It's people like CCR, Bikerlezno and Fatoshi (yup, he's added to my list as a shameless shiller) who only wish for sole gains from the project while promoting that mentality. One day the project may become one of the greatest in the world, but to do that, changes need to happen. XBY will need to have a working product (obviously), there needs to be realistic deadlines set, and if there isn't any deadlines, at least try to keep the community updated as frequently as possible and communicate any obstructions to the community. Like, take the "patent is in an IP firm" for instance. Break that down for a moment. Why not simply explain the delays or at what "phase" that it is at in the writing process. Like, why not say that lawyer x found that y is taking a bit of time due to research. Or lawyer z is helping issue y, but has a backlog because of x, so the patent may be done by z. Those are the small things that I meant. <---- not negative but gives constructive advice

unfortunately, it's this cult mentality (and people like fatoshi, since he's been in XBY for a long-time) that causes the project harm when constructive advice can't be taken to heart

...so mappy, tell me how it's negative to suggest ways to help the community and the project?

ew god no, I used mspaint, screenshotted my desktop, and cut that part out? photoshop isn't worth it since I cba to torrent it and I don't really know how to use photoshop. You can download the image and look for any issues, but that's my proof to you. but uh (bold caps, cause it's morning and why not since you're using them)
giant font is hard to read, so if I gave you my proof, what's the point? lol

I'm active on the Xtrabytes reddit as Max_Chill, so you can prove that I am a real community member.

lol the problem is that it isn't FUD at all if it's true what i've been saying, seems like you guys would rather fight me instead of giving answers, if you would actually read, you would see that it isn't a "fud campaign", and that there are actually different people who are fed up having no answers to simple questions. Ever thought if you respond to my questions with actual answers, it would reassure investors?

I gave positives for the project as well in a post, you can't even bother to dispute the negatives rather then call it FUD and rage at me? and lol mapie XBY are super cheap atm, anyone who reads this forum can buy them easily. The point is that people have valid concerns.

As you can see I can pump the price heavily, but I can dump the price heavily as well, I can trade millions of XBY easily. If I sold my other coins, I probably could control the price to 10k+ so it's not about money, but valid concerns. At least for me, it might be for others though, idk. I wasn't lying when I said I sold alot of XBY so the price dropped lol. But there are people who reads this forum with far more than me that you should really strive to assure if you want the price to truly go up. And yes, if I sold the last of what I have, it would probably drop to around 2400 right now thanks to trading, since the valuation is being controlled heavily. But ever considered that wasn't my goal?

All of you act so arrogant and only care about the price, but price isn't everything sometimes.

hmm...what is the purpose of this project btw?

Edit : wait, I read the whitepaper, what exchanges is this available on?

Now now, don't take everything I said the wrong way. XBY can be a good project, but it has alot of problems. I have an issue with the shameless shilling and cult mentality, not the tech so much. It's people like CCR, Bikerlezno and Fatoshi (yup, he's added to my list as a shameless shiller) who only wish for sole gains from the project while promoting that mentality. One day the project may become one of the greatest in the world, but to do that, changes need to happen. XBY will need to have a working product (obviously), there needs to be realistic deadlines set, and if there isn't any deadlines, at least try to keep the community updated as frequently as possible and communicate any obstructions to the community. Like, take the "patent is in an IP firm" for instance. Break that down for a moment. Why not simply explain the delays or at what "phase" that it is at in the writing process. Like, why not say that lawyer x found that y is taking a bit of time due to research. Or lawyer z is helping issue y, but has a backlog because of x, so the patent may be done by z. Those are the small things that I meant.

Now if you want to put a full smoking gun in the FUD (it's not really fud honestly, it's just impatience and poor communication), you could black out any personal information on the patent and post it as a PDF. That will assure alot of investors easily that it's in the works. For the community tho, no suggestions, but alot of the staff are rude, but not all are  . When you guys see the price dropping, you shout FUD FUD FUD, THE PRICE IS DOWN, NOOOOO!!!!! rather than thinking why lol. Also, I will agree at least give the testnet a chance. Don't buy into XBY because of FOMO or hype, but you can apparently use "false tokens" to test nodes. So instead of losing money or worrying about the price, just give it a try cause why not?

See, how i'm not shamelessly shilling or FUDing, but giving constructive advice? So the product isn't sh*t exactly, but there's community issues. Be open and honest about everything, be communicative, be a fish that simply swims like fishfishfish  .

Serious note : I can play devils advocate for both sides since I see the positives and negatives about this project, but considering so many people only care about price and call anything that could "potentially" lower the price FUD with no focus on the product, the only way to get to you guys is with the price. People like smoolae, fatoshi and that guy (whoever he is) above me doesn't give constructive advice, they only rally for or against, not in-between.  
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Oh and at the guy above me, as a counterargument, peculium in your sig is true vaporware...if XBY is bad (and i'm still saying if), that project is...well, whatever ash, excrement and a garbage dump equals (: (it's all speculation and vaporware buddy, that's what leads the pumps and dumps). If i have 46 btc (maayyyyybbbeee I have it), I wouldn't put it into peculium, it has even more red flags than this project. Notice anything between the shameless shilling on peculium and this project even though it doesn't have a working product? The price is gonna go parabolic and you're gonna be broke lol

*Also glovesmacks that guy above me (whoever he is) and smoolae* language! there might be kids reading this forum! Use a * to hide the i, it's polite! *double smacks deity because he's a closet pervert who pms me weird stuff*

First, Bikerlezno is a prominent member and part of management in the XBY community. So, that form of behavior is obviously shameful. Is there any proof that you and others aren't simply doing the same thing for your own gain?

Also as well, from my understanding you're a high level member of the project, is there....a reason that you act so defensive and lash out at me and call it FUD when it isn't?

Also is there any reason that there were such catastrophic delays and failures in communications when it comes to basic and important aspects of the project such as the 1st testnet, the CMC reduction issue, the company registration taking 5+ weeks (when it should have only taken one day), and well, pretty much most of all of the issues with this project lol

is that your retort to the proof and open questions that I have asked you that your investors will view? Is this...how little you truly care about this project to only call it FUD, when the truth is in front of you? And yes, I have invested in this project, that's why i opened a dialogue to help...but, yep, your response is simply childish, immature and focuses on caring about price rather than real issues. (or you don't know a way, and it's fine to say, but a open dialogue is basic and important). But this is why I said that you, CCR and bikerlezno only care about pumping the price for a profit, which is unhealthy.

Please don't argue with me when I try to open a dialogue with proof and help, it's unfitting of management for this project. I've given evidence for my view and gave you a chance to respond properly, but arguing and acting defensive does not help anyone in this community.

Posting it since it was lost in the wall of text, but here's basic evidence of corruption of the people who run the project.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mhMawNmC1-AE_ccH9KI4QaMt8bqGc8mBYa0AjitMe30/edit

TLDR : I gave you evidence and tried to help promote this project by having the issues addressed in an open forum. But (you) fatoshi literally goes defense mode and calls it fud -shrugs-. You simply prove my point of caring about the price is more important than anything, which in-turn reaffirms my point of pumping and dumping that's done by you (maybe) and definitely bikerlezno.

Yup, exactly. The basic logic of holding through the hard times and focusing on what's important fails. You call it FUD, but it isn't...it's shameful trying to cheat a person who also helps to develop the project. If the developers only care about the price and themselves, what happens to the little guy who works hard only to get treated well...like crap? lol

Hence my point that you and bikerlezno / CCR are potentially only in it to pump the price and dump when the going gets rough, while joe whathisname gets stuck with the bag   (also bold because you used bold, but that actually feels bleh to read lol).

So in essence, you proved my point and don't contribute to what's important.

Random shameless edit : but also on a serious note to try and help this project and not post proof of what's been going on. How do you (fatoshi) as a major player in this project, wish to actually help to remedy the problems that plagues not only the project, but the community as well?

Buddy, i posted proof of bikerlezno selling, any retort to that?   proof beats random words brah. So if bikerlezno was selling and buying when shilling the price all along, how do we know you aren't doing the same thing and just trying to shill the price?

like on a scale of who said this and who said that, proof is like....a 10 while random words is a -1  . Oh and let me elaborate on why I said supreme and fish are awesome. You (fatoshi) and CCR just don't seem that honest to me, they (fish and supreme) seem genuine which is the problem. It's true that we haven't interacted that much, but CCR lacks people skills and you...well, idek buddy. You come across as someone who just cares about the price solely, which hurts me alot to watch, and to this project.  

So, I can sit here and amass proof of the problems, but us arguing won't help the project so...how would you recommend fixing the corruption, delays and other issues? I did suggest an AMA and that's better than blind defense or blind offense of the project...

(i'm not focusing on the tech rn, just the community at heart so let's focus there first and tech later)

I won't disagree that they did do very basic stuff to help the project, but there is alot of proof of the project being sketchy in various ways  as you can see from both posted proof and their history

TLDR, fish and supremegoose are awesome, but the project still has alot of red flags, and not everyone are honest as they set out to be. Also your post has some points, but in the end, it's more of shilling then addressing the real underlying flaws of the project.

(copypasted from my original post earlier)

oh, the point of my posts was that clarity should be the most important to the project. It was originally implied (and listed) that they would work on the patent and company registration during the holidays, but it turned out that they didn't even submit the patent during the last period that I asked. They DID submit the company registration, but it took 5+ weeks compared to the original date, when a registration in that country should have taken only one day and around $100 dollars. So it was either laziness, lies or poor communication. For the company and @fish, yes I think what you did with the patent announcement was in the correct direction, but you only reiterated my point that no one (even you) know what's going on with the patent and we will have to wait. The developers has been very poor at relaying information to their investors.


Now as for the testnet, in addition to extending testing and everything else, the overall testnet will most definitely go beyond the timeframe of "march" if the past has taught us anything and I don't feel that was very clear from the posts that you posted. But when there are people like Fatoshi who shouts "GOGO RALLY BUY XBY!!", it makes the price look bad. When people like bikerlezno constantly sells and does insider trading, it makes the project look bad. My overall conclusion is that you, Fish, and all the other developers need to be direct and honest with everyone (that's the geist of it). If you hosted an AMA occasionally, it probably would kill any doubts as well.

And yes, I do daytrade same as alot of others here. I have no need for super cheap XBY because I believe that if the project was clear, open, honest and eventually have a working product, then no matter the amount I buy now, be it 10k, 100k or even a million would make a difference at the current price (because the price will go up when there is value and quality over hype). But with the shadiness of certain aspects of the project, I think "hey, why don't I just sell or daytrade instead of holding?". You can sell and buy 22333228309280823 different pump and dump s*itcoins and it wouldn't make a difference since you can make a profit if you time it right, you should strive to be better than that, not only as a developer but as a community.

also @fish, yes, you're fun to bug   but no, I really do care about other investors  and I can understand some of the problems plaguing this project, i'm not really that intent on bothering you for answers (since from my understanding, you're the same as us, just an investor but with a voice), but my focus are on the people who manipulate this project at the higher scale (take a look at the complaints about people like bikerlezno in management for instance who daytraded XBY's own platform currency) for simple gains. You might be honest and trustworthy, but some of the people with the "keys" really is not afaik. I mean think about it for a moment.. when it was at it's last ATH, if I was such a bad person, would I have placed such a large buy order to keep the price above 5k satoshis and take a personal loss when I could have just dumped all of my XBY instantly and walked away? (and even announced the 5k buy wall)

(ignore the points about this @fish and focus on the concerns)

I think your post makes some good points, but there are still far too many real issues that are not present with the platform itself that needs to be solved as well. Shameless shilling is never really helpful when there are both community issues and technical doubt...

Also contradictory to your post, people DID shill the project all over the web during the SM campaign and it DID get dumped from 5800 satoshis...so that's an error really lol. During the rise of it's hype, it rose solely based on speculation and everyone FOMOing in beliving that the CMC reduction would be soon, but after it turned out that it would probably be a while, people sold. So once the underlying problems are addressed, the project will rise for real instead of based on speculatory pump and dumps. And how do you know that some of the developers didn't sell, when people had screenshots of bikerlezno, who is an active developer literally selling X-Fuel and lying about the price when it's far more important psychologically than the public XBY token?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mhMawNmC1-AE_ccH9KI4QaMt8bqGc8mBYa0AjitMe30/edit?usp=sharing (literal proof of bikerlezno selling xfuel which is more important than XBY. This demonstrates greed which is unhealthy in a community based project, especially when it's deployed by management)

Probably not with the way things are, some of the developers are alright, but shilling price just for profits is a no-no, the focus should be on openness, clarity and honesty to reach the top 10, otherwise it would just fall back to the top 100 if it reached it, or heck even low 300-400. I'm going to be honest, I have ALOT of Eth, LTC and some BTC even, but I just don't see the point atm. Sure there will be other investors, but if you can't even satisfy basic criteria, then idek.

No, you got it wrong bigglet. I said that the testnet #4 was to run on the zoltchain (i mention that this is testnet 3, or at least implied it was testnet 3 that we're on), but if you read the reddit posts and everything else, the zoltchain will NOT be applied on the upcoming testnet that is due. Hence my point that they simply duped their investors. If they were honest and said "hey, the patent is due on x, but it's slow because of y", that would be fine. But they continue to hype the price and ignore the feelings of the lesser investors. It's not about "writing and optimizing texts" as you say, but about open honesty, and unfortunately as you have seen, it is quite lacking.

So you invested beliving that the next testnet would run on the zoltchain, are you saying that you aren't disheartened to watch the price plummet due to no open honesty about a project this size? And in relation this thread, if they act this way and cause investors to lose confidence, how would this project ever even reach the top 10 and stay? If you understand crypto, then you can understand that openness and honesty is tantamount to any community project...

I posted the link above to the reddit, but for proof that the upcoming testnet (testnet 4) will not run the zoltchain, you can find information on the reddit and inside the community.

https://www.reddit.com/r/XtraBYtes/comments/7s0gcs/xtrabytes_development_update_january_21st/ (posted again for you)

And unfortunately, after reading the posts that you guys posted, you're just proving the last line of no zoltchain and no price reduction to be true. Fish and fatoshi are heavily involved in this project and should care enough to inform their investors who are losing all their money. Have you ever thought that they don't care because they could simply sell during this leaving all you small investors with the bags, and buying back in when the price goes up from them hyping lies only for it to be broken down and the price to repeat again ad nasaeum?

But alot of people believed that the zoltchain would run on the next testnet, why did they change their mind at the last moment and wait to announce it in the January update?

Let me break this post down for you:
"This testnet is not the final testnet, and will not run on the ZOLT-chain yet" - I know that it is not, but the 4th testnet was implied to be the final. So if the 4th testnet is not running on the zoltchain, why was it so heavily implied / mentioned?

And about the mainnet - they blatantly ignored investors cries for ANY updates on the patent. So isn't that a bit shady at the very least when investors was expecting even a little hint? You can't run the mainnet without the "patented tech", so you're just pitching vaporware at this point.

Now about the patent flag itself - they should have had patent pending status right after submitting the patent, but me, you and no one else knows if the patent is even true at this point. Have you ever wondered why this is taking so long with no updates? If you was the manager of a multi-billion dollar project, wouldn't you at least be open and honest?

....at this point, you're just telling me that it's a big elaborate sham with this compounded by all the other red flags. I could go all day about all of the red flags this project has, but this is just ridiculous at this point and it's unfortunate for the people that believe in this project who could be getting better returns elsewhere.