http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29032399

Just some light reading on the topic of anonymity... not crypto focused per se, but relevant I think as we talk about all of that stuff.

And for the record, I don't think anonymity is always about tax evasion, child predators, and drug transactions. Plenty of us pay our taxes and are law abiding citizens and still greatly care about the misuse of information about us.

Edit: I had an argument recently with a friend of mine recently where he seemed to imply anyone interested in Bitcoins was in to dark web stuff, and rejected it on moral grounds. Further, he stated that it was "mostly" used by dark web people. I see that absolutely changing. Look at bitshares X and tell me you see everyone rushing to it to use silk road. I said blockchains are like hammers, you can build a house or murder someone. I am not interested in banning hammers because some people will use them for murder. It is a tool used for good or evil, but morality shouldn't interject itself in a technology that can be use to secure the privacy and security of the citizen. Any good patriot will stand firm on their civil liberties. We can deal with social problems in other ways .

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

I'm trying to crack that first buy (I think no one has yet), need another week or two . We need that mobile app! *grin*

Edit: I take that back, looks like someone bit .

This is easily the least liquid selling side market I have seen to date on AE for NEM. I mean no buy orders are being filled. All the sell orders are being snapped up. I think the rest of the folks are finally holding.

I follow. For poor folk like myself it's mostly academic. My world is tenths of shares . Yeah that guy already has 15, presumably selling off using the wall then buying back eh?

By the way, for all of those griping about the lack of "value" to the crowd sale stuff, y'all recognize the point of the crowd sale is to give a larger benefit to the seller on the other side of the transaction to fuel mobile development, which is the key to the success of this platform, right? Giving 1000 NEM+ on silver sort of defeats the point ya know?

I bought some when clearly straight shares were a better "value" .

Holy balls. Anyone see that 39.5 share bid? Haha.

That's 1% folks

So it would be similar to Bitshares X or something where the wallet can have multiple accounts (master keypairs)?

Can anyone weigh in for me on the NEM analogy to bitcoin world on unique address to sender practices? In NXT land it seems quite easy to look at an address (say asset exchange), and see all their holdings and transactions.

https://bitcoin.org/en/protect-your-privacy
Use new addresses to receive payments

To protect your privacy, you should use a new Bitcoin address each time you receive a new payment. Additionally, you can use multiple wallets for different purposes. Doing so allows you to isolate each of your transactions in such a way that it is not possible to associate them all together. People who send you money cannot see what other Bitcoin addresses you own and what you do with them. This is probably the most important advice you should keep in mind.

Forgive me if this is a fundamental 101 question, but I'm just curious.

Buy 6 silver coins, get 1 free when we ship to you
Buy 12 silver coins, get 3 free when we ship to you

I assume this doesn't need to be at once right? That is, if we accumulate a few on the AE over time it is the sum total at time of redemption correct?

Edit: Oh wait, you guys can't ship to North Korea, scratch that.

I believe the original intent was to be a stakeholder with all that comes with it, and not an investor. If you want to be an investor then do your short sighted day trading. If you want to actually build something, stay put, ignore prices, and do something of high quality. We can shake loose the weak hands. If you have confidence in the devs and what they are doing you won't care about the price. The first coin across the finish line that has the same feature set as nem doesn't mean it wins at all. Rushing your product can be bad. One bad security flaw and it destroys the coin forever. You want to properly test for as much as you can, and it sounds like our guys are.

Guys, I do a lot of selling on Amazon (not affiliate). If you need help with a store front / whatever I'll volunteer. I also know how the affiliate stuff works.

Is it safe to say most folks are discussing via official nem forum now instead of here?

It's 32ish now Anyone run a report lately?

And by the way:
http://www.nxtreporting.com/shareholder.php?a=12465186738101000735

That doesn't seem to update.

Agreed. Make a stupid simple mobile app that feels low intensity and designed to be social instead of institutional and your value will increase organically because of the viral effect. If people go "what is this thing in the top 100" on the store and its stupid simple when they run it because they heard about it from a friend, it will happen naturally. You get it in the top 100 in the first place just by making it a social currency by using gamification or some other simple / fun app that ties in to the real block chain. Maybe it's currency for an MMO game on mobile or whatever. As long as your API is solid, people can tie in to it in a variety of ways with viral apps on mobile. If it isn't easy and it isn't mobile, you'll never hit critical mass. You could have a variety of different apps that do different things (maybe one is a game, maybe one is a "friends bar tab" app) but both use the real block chain underneath. The same dollar that buys bubblegum can also buy a Ferrari, and that is the point. The more uses it has the more value it has.

Freenas is BSD under the hood (and uses the BSD out of box network storage functionality) with a PHP front end for managing the configuration files. I'm still a bit perplexed as to what specifically we are proposing to do with it as it relates to NEM. Are we saying that we'd sponsor a bunch of data center implementations of Freenas on pizza boxes or VMs or something and run a bunch of NIS nodes on those hosts? I use freenas a ton in virtual and non-virtual scenarios and would be happy to help if I understood the proposal.

Acceptable rebuttal, intelligent and specific reason given, statement retracted. And I was not intending to insult anyone. This usability stuff is always a balancing act.

@patmast3r - Your point is absolutely taken, I'm just trying to constantly remind everyone how low the bar really is, so where possible let's make strategic decisions. In this case I think people just wanted a solid justification for the "latest and greatest" tendency concern, which has now been given. That certainly wasn't a jab at the devs, whom I respect. Just don't forget how mind bendingly inefficient the average person is on a piece of technology. Statements like "this will someday replace fiat" require the minimum amount of barriers. As you said, that time frame is much larger than the small window of struggle we are seeing here, so acknowledged. 

Looks like Ethereum is finally up for sale if that is your cup of tea.

1 BTC for 2000 Ethereum it looks like.

Have to say I agree. The minute java update pops up my mom closes it and tells me whatever she is trying to run is broken and I need to remote in and fix it. The average computer probably has java 1.6 and possibly 1.7. You can say "hey we provided a link" all you want, and that is a valid response, but the average joe ain't gonna navigate that. If they click it, and firefox asks "what do you want to do with this?", and they say "open" and it doesn't involve a couple clicks before the interface is in front of them, they'll roll over, and that's a fact. I do a lot of pc repair and builds for my community and I promise you the average person can't handle installing a new jdk, as ridiculous as it sounds to you and I. If you want to keep it a geek only cost of entry totally fine, just accept that is what you have done.

Also, what features in the 1.8 JDK are we using that we actually need? Are we coding to the new API or are we just saying "for some reason it seems like it only runs on 1.8 because we get a stack trace and we don't investigate it"? I'll accept that as a valid response if there is some UI based objects that really make our lives easier in 1.8. When I compared 1.6 to 1.7 for our dev shop there was like one deal breaker feature we needed (granted our code was business objects and not UI heavy).

On gold:

Think about it, there are only two real advantages gold and silver have to cryptos.
1) Value over time across cultures. That is a lot of momentum. (this is of course due to its luster and scarcity from the lack of metal asteroids we get)
2) Usefulness in electronics.

It does not stand on anything else.
1) "Rare". Minted coins are also finite.
2) Store of wealth. This is no different than anything else anyone agrees is valuable. There is no intrinsic value beyond electronics. Bullets, water, and other commodities are really the only real stores of wealth for someone that is concerned with anarchy.

We don't want governments to collapse _completely_. Who is going to have a standing army to guard infrastructure then? Is everyone going to cruise around with solar inverters and netbooks? Weak is fine for social shifts. Total anarchy is bad for everyone but the survivalists.

For people that buy gold and silver via proxies. Do you honestly think you will have access to that in a social collapse? Unless it was delivered to your doorstep... and then, unless you have gold coins... what are you going to do, chip of flakes to transact with people?

I just don't see much appeal to precious metals. The quantities by which you can invest for anyone but the super wealthy means it is often purchased and held through trusted parties anyway.

My 2 cents after considering investing in precious metals. I think you either buy bullets and water and MREs or you buy cryptos. You prepare for worst case or you have the expectation the government is still around.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/12/money-at-our-fingertips/

Take special notice of the bits around mobile. Personally, I don't like the idea of having some sort of RFID thing that can be used for purchases or my fingerprint because conversely it can be used to track everything I do, but the average Joe is all too happy to trade freedom for convenience, and I have to keep reminding myself when I think of cryptos my views don't reflect the vast majority's views.

This is all food for thought when we consider where to place our efforts in this platform. I have been banging the mobile drum the whole time and will continue to do so. When you can "bump" your phone with your buddy to get him/her back for the beer they got you or whatever, people will use it like crazy. Look, even if you don't replace fiat, if folks can use it in leiu of fiat while out clubbing or whatever and deal with the back conversion at home it will be huge. Much easier than fussing with your bank or cash or whatever while you our out. How often do people have to track the IOUs while out with friends? Who doesn't have a mobile? Solve that problem with tools already in the toolkit and it will jump in value against fiat as its usefulness as a "wooden nickel" system becomes obvious. I think grass roots is much more likely to succeed in this particular aspect as opposed to some sort of "forced" centralized big bank approach (the discussion earlier about Amazon's p2p currency) because it feels lax which is perfect for a "social" currency.

Folks,

Seems like nem forum registration is still biffed (anyone else having success?)

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